1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,520 They use the extremes to justify their positioning. 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:10,000 Whether it's the fact that a liberal is coming and trying to paint conservatives as all racist 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,040 and want to tear down the government by raiding the White House on January 6th. 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,760 Or something like a conservative going like, 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:23,280 all liberals are crazy they just want to riot and tear down cities for the BLM riots. 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:28,320 So in those situations they try to use extremes to justify their positions 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:36,320 when at the end of the day most people don't even agree with either of those circumstances. 8 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:41,360 The biggest part of Lawrence Wiener-Moses is that a lot of people got opinions but they can't back it up. 9 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:47,760 Off the left and the right. Strong opinions but not having a logical framework to back it up. 10 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:54,240 Because if you're going to be a Christian, a Christian has a much higher standard than most people 11 00:00:54,240 --> 00:01:00,320 and that's what comes to present themselves. They cannot enjoy provoking other people. 12 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,560 There's been looking notes about that, second Timothy. Look at it, I am not making this up. 13 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,320 If you love seeking controversy, if you love being controversial just for the sake of being 14 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:13,200 controversial, that is problematic. Welcome back to the Purple Political Podcast. 15 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:18,560 I am your host, Rodel Lewis. Welcome back to episode number 19 of the podcast. 16 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,960 As we're going to be talking about what it means to be an independent, what it means to be in the 17 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:29,360 middle, what it means to be purple, a good question I feel like that should be answered, 18 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:34,000 especially considering that's kind of the motto of the podcast to a certain extent. 19 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,480 Of course, before we dive into the content at hand, I'm going to read off a review. Make sure 20 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,640 you leave a review on Apple Podcasts or you can go on the website and leave a review so you can be 21 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:48,320 shouted out in one of the future episodes. This review is from J.T. Allen. Appreciate you. 22 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:53,360 They said, what a difficult way to approach politics. There are countless podcasts that 23 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:58,880 provide an echo chamber for people of all political leanings. This is not one of those 24 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,520 podcasts and that's a great thing. Excellent questions are asked and different viewpoints 25 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:09,200 are presented. Appreciate you. That's what I try to do here, try to have excellent conversations 26 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:15,440 and I never really get biased towards any type of political ideology. I kind of just go based on my 27 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:22,080 own personal logic. So that's how I do things. So of course, we're to dive into the topic. 28 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:29,200 This should be a great conversation. And for the guests here today, I have my guy here, Elias. So 29 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,880 can you introduce yourself, what you're about and all that good stuff? 30 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:41,280 All right. Put it as short as concise as possible. I am an independent voter. I go by just I'm going 31 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:47,600 to kind of like repeat to some extent. I just go by logic what I think is best for the country and I 32 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:53,040 do issue by issue by issue. I don't go with the prepackaged political crap that's presented by 33 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:58,880 the left and the right. I make my own package. And if you want to hack a look into my voting records, 34 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:05,760 it is purple as hell. So you will know I'm the real deal when it comes to being a moderate and 35 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:11,360 picking certain sides. But me, I am self proclaimed because it's not official yet. 36 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,920 Researcher. I'm a history buff for sure. I study history. So my perspectives come from history. 37 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,360 So there are certain things that I'm going to sound left leaning on and some things are going 38 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:29,200 to sound very right leaning on. I'm an interesting mix when it comes to politics. I am a Christian, 39 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:36,400 but I don't believe in forcing Christianity upon others. If you want to be a Christian, it's because 40 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:43,760 ask me your true intent. Ask me your heart into it. Forcing anything is no good. Even the Bible 41 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:49,120 says so. The Bible understands free will. Something that the church establishes tends to forget 42 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:57,440 pretty conveniently for their own political agenda and other agendas as well. So maybe I'm 43 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:03,040 in the name of New Yorker. And that's the last tip I'm going to add. So New York is shifting 44 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,440 purple ironically. It's shifting that purple trend, especially the House of Representatives 45 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:12,080 seats. Republicans make gains there. So it's representing a little bit of my political leanings 46 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:17,360 little by little, but still dominated by the blue. So we've got some ways to go in moderating its 47 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:23,760 political makeup. Democrats still favor New York just by the way, but not as much. But it's not 48 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,960 as super solid blue as long. It will never be as super solid blue as California. That's for sure. 49 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:38,560 Yeah. Libby Kelly, you know, Libby Kelly. So do you, you know, I think this is appropriate to ask, 50 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:46,400 do you say you're completely in the middle or do you like, are you like more left centrist or 51 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:56,160 right centrist? No, to answer that very simply, I have shifted. There are certain election cycles. 52 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:02,560 I am center left and there's some I'm center right. I want to achieve balance in this country 53 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:09,040 because too left leaning, too right leaning. I have seen pros of cons of both. I'll say 54 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,880 one more than the others. As I'm in New York, I've seen the cons more of too much left. 55 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:20,480 And when I seen too much right wing, I'll say, well, there were certain things that I was not a 56 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:26,640 big fan of. So that's how things shaped my political police. So as of right now, I am shifted 57 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:35,760 just a little tad to the right, just a little bit, but definitely, but a lot of conservatives 58 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,840 said I'm too left leaning for them and a lot of liberals say I'm too right leaning for them. So, 59 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,240 yeah. So as of right now, I shift these a little barely to the right. I'll say if you want to 60 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,320 do a scale like five percent, a little bit to the right right now, that could easily shift. I always 61 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,800 stay in the center. OK, that's fair. That's fair. Because both sides are too crazy for me. The 62 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:59,360 MAGAs, the progressives, I'm anti extremists. That part I'm clear about. Oh, yeah, for sure. I 63 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:08,400 don't like the MAGAs, the extreme, you know, social media leftists. They're very annoying as 64 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:14,560 well. And you see that you. Hey, man, I see that firsthand every time I post a clip about some issue 65 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,680 where I'm going to have either a lefty or a righty complaining in the comment section or a lefty or 66 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,880 righty agreeing and saying the other side sucks. So, you know, that's basically all it is. It's 67 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:31,920 kind of funny, but you know, it's kind of unfortunate at the same time. So what in your 68 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:38,400 opinion, if you had to give an explanation on what it truly means to be an independent, be a moderate, 69 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:48,880 be a centrist, what definition would you give for that? Oh, well, a censor is finding the best of 70 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:56,160 what the left wing and the right wing has to say and then mushing it together. Get rid of the 71 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:02,560 extremists. And let me just use the perspective of abortion. Of course, as a Christian, I'm generally 72 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:10,800 against it. But to make it more centrist, we will have to put reasonable restrictions. What would 73 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,800 that be like? I think the baby should be aboard to save the mother's life. I'll say that one's 74 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,920 rational because we want the mother to live. Unfortunately, if it comes to that, of course, 75 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:25,440 it would be ideal if every baby was born. But unfortunately, reality is that the mother is 76 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:36,960 not going to make it. I think abortion is a rational option. If you have a very high chance 77 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:45,920 of death, I don't blame the mother for doing that. As if she chooses so. I disagree with post 78 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:53,200 abortion. I think that's too crazy. And being super strict with abortion is too crazy as well. 79 00:07:53,200 --> 00:08:00,000 I think birth control trucks should be allowed. The far right ones, they get excluded. No, no, 80 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,080 no, no, no, no. I said, no, I disagree with that. And the right and then the left is, okay, 81 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,480 even after the baby's form terminate, no, I'm against it. We got to find what's in the middle. 82 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:14,640 Certain, I believe, certain policies of abortion. This one could probably prove that I am a centrist. 83 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:27,920 I am a centrist. And so when it comes to abortion, I'll allow to some degree, just to make sure that 84 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:35,120 the mother lives and if the birth is not viable, then I think termination should be allowed. And 85 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,600 birth control should be allowed as well. The far right is, abortion's not allowed, birth control's 86 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:46,160 not allowed. No, I think that's too crazy on the Republican side. And so that's my somewhat 87 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:52,080 centrist point of view on abortion. And the next one is immigration. Immigration, we need a policy 88 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:59,280 that allows good immigrants to come through while filtering out the bad. And it should not be based 89 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:06,640 on race, what country they're from. It should be why they're here. Do you want to contribute to 90 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:13,840 America? Something like that. We don't want to be too restrictive to the point that we allow 91 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,680 immigrants because diversity, I think it's beautiful personally. It talks to people with 92 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:22,160 different points of view, different religions, different backgrounds. I think it broadens one's 93 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:30,000 horizon. I think that's wonderful. But at the same time, we want to balance it out, make sure that 94 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:36,480 the bad people is not coming in. Some criminals, for example, getting through the border. That's 95 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,640 gonna be a hard thing to balance, but I think we should come to the agreement with that self- 96 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,640 centrist point of view. I don't want to be too strict to the point that we start excluding 97 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:50,080 so many immigrants. And I also want to be too open to the point that any whack job just coming 98 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:56,960 through the border causing mayhem and what have you. So we need a balance. When it comes to 99 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:03,680 immigration, I think we need a very balanced policy. And of course, make it humane as possible as 100 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:09,520 well because the last thing with the Rod DeSantis, I initially agreed with it, but then I shifted when 101 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:15,840 a lot of people had the same skin color. I said, that looks pretty racist. And I'm not the first 102 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:21,200 thing racism, but if you make it easy for me to think racism, it's gonna be racist. Okay, so 103 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:32,560 that's my issue with that. We need to find a fine balance with that. And then for people who are 104 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:39,120 running away from crazy political events, I think they should come here. Safe haven, I agree with 105 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:45,440 that. Any country, it doesn't have to be a white country, black country, any country that's going 106 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,680 through any of that. Sadly, some countries are far more than the others, which shows some kind of 107 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:56,160 bias, just to put it mildly. Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. I'm gonna ask a follow-up 108 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:01,760 question, but they're gonna give my honest opinions about the same issues that it was referring to 109 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:08,400 based on my centrist point of view. Basically, for the most part, when it comes to abortion, 110 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:14,880 I've always said that I think there needs to be a recognition that what you're doing is, for the 111 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:22,240 most part, killing a baby. Now, my thing is, in regards to abortion, I am not, in terms of what 112 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:31,440 it is exactly, the whole aspect of you trying to separate the humanity from it, saying that it's 113 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:36,400 just some cell is dishonest if we're being completely, it's just trying to kind of save 114 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:41,360 your own moral compass. And for the most part, you know, I see why you're trying to do that. But I 115 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:47,920 think you need to recognize what you're doing. But at the same time, I will say that that doesn't 116 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:53,680 necessarily mean that I'm against abortion by any means. I think it's definitely a situational. I 117 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:58,960 think if people do recognize what they're doing, they'll be more cognizant of trying to make sure 118 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,760 that they're not put in a situation where abortion is something that they have to rely on or do 119 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:11,120 consistently. Like casual sex, you know, I mean, I can't be hypocritical. I definitely partake. 120 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,600 But at the same time, I always wear that I'm wearing condoms and all that stuff. I asked the 121 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,800 girl, she's wearing shoes, birth control, of course. And, you know, just got to put yourself 122 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:26,400 in a situation where you don't have to make that kind of decision, which should be not a common 123 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:31,760 thing you do constantly, but should be a serious decision that you always consider. So that's my 124 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,400 take on regarding that. I don't think it definitely should be some common event you could do just like 125 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:45,280 breathing by any means for. So for the aspect of abortion being being banned, I'm not I'm not in 126 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:52,160 favor of that. I don't think it helps any, you know, by any means in terms of terms of women, 127 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,000 in terms of they're going to do it anyway, and they're just going to do it illegally or 128 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:02,080 more dangerously. And even when you go like, I definitely don't agree when you go to extremes 129 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:08,560 and just ban it to the point where even if someone gets pregnant from rape or incest or anything, 130 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:13,760 and you're still not allowing it, then it's like, okay, then you're just being kind of petty right 131 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:20,240 now. You're not you have a stance and you're not even moving or budging by any means. And that's 132 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:26,320 that's absolutely ridiculous. So there should always be a fine line. There should always be 133 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:33,280 some rationale to what is going on. So that is my take in reference to abortion. As for immigration, 134 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:38,400 I'm kind of similar. I think immigration shouldn't be absolutely open borders or anybody can come at 135 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:43,120 any point in time. That's ridiculous. That doesn't make any sense. But immigration should definitely 136 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,080 be a thing that you know, we should be welcoming to. I mean, that is the United States. We are 137 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:53,040 the country that brought in a whole bunch of immigrants. We are the melting pot of the world 138 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:58,080 for the most part, even though people try to say, oh, yeah, these other countries have more races. 139 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,760 No, in reality, they have the same type of people that are just different, 140 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:07,840 like slightly different, where we have literally just completely different people in this country. 141 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:13,760 So immigration should always be a thing, but definitely need to pay attention to who's coming 142 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:19,520 across. Like you said, we don't want criminals coming across and we don't want it to a situation 143 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:24,560 where we're relying on immigration for some of the like more strenuous labor because Americans are 144 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:31,920 getting absolutely frickin lazy. So we need to be more willing to do those jobs that we don't want 145 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:37,520 to do. And that would help a lot of people in those situations in terms of employment, of course. 146 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:47,600 Nah, those are very fair points. Yeah. No, yeah, I have no debate on anything that you just said. 147 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,880 I mean, that'd be something that I'll just, if I was a lawmaker, me and those lawmakers together, 148 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:57,440 probably two independents, I'd say, oh, agree, agree, agree. We would be one of the few, 149 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:05,600 you know, that'll be an easy conversation. Yeah. For sure. Because two restrictions, no good. 150 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:12,320 At the same time, too much options of, you know, maybe abortion is a very common thing. That would 151 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:17,760 be something I'm obviously against. I think you said it best, it has to be situational and, 152 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:24,880 you know, and I think we should be preventative and try to get, you know, especially to the woman 153 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:30,720 and of course, you know, it's that situation. We should try to be preventative. That's why I 154 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:35,120 believe in birth control stuff in the first place. I mean, they want to ban that plus abortion, the 155 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,120 red states. That's why some of them are going over the border. And like you said, they do things, 156 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,040 people do things more illegally in the dark and it's definitely more dangerous. 157 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:52,000 Making these wants further woman barren, some of them. Yeah, that's not good by any means. No. 158 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:57,680 I think the hardest part for these types of situations for a lot of people that for the 159 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:03,920 most part, most people actually tend to lean middle ish or either middle center left or center 160 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:09,440 right. But they don't really know anything. So when you kind of try to ask them about where the line 161 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:17,440 draws in any of these situations, they never know. So that's kind of the hard part in terms of being 162 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:24,160 in the middle for many of people is not knowing where the line draws. Whether it's the fact that 163 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:30,960 they don't know enough by the topic or they don't have some type of logical backing to kind of 164 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,440 rely upon. Whereas obviously people in the liberals, they want to be everybody free, 165 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,240 identifies what you want. And then people on the right have like, okay, religion, this is my moral 166 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:45,040 compass and all that stuff. So, you know, that's when you're right in the middle, if you don't have 167 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:51,280 either of those things, it's harder for a lot of people to figure out, okay, where exactly is my 168 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:58,640 moral line towards, right? And try to use that as a fallback to any argument or debate or counter 169 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:05,360 argument to what they're saying. And yes, and sadly, a lot of debates I'm sure you're aware of 170 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:11,840 lack the nuance and the capacity just to flesh out what was it mean to be a moderate or even 171 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:21,520 even define 10 shades of moderate politics. I mean, I hate to say as especially social media 172 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:26,960 people, both the left and the right, I believe equally, they lack the nuance because to them, 173 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:34,640 this is like a team sport. I got a one up feel the person, no matter the cost. You know, the liberals 174 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:42,880 make the conservatives look crazy and vice versa. So yeah, it's a bad body. It's a verbal bloodbath 175 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:50,000 and social media. And then of course, at worst, it just gets really violent in a literal sense 176 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,600 because they simply disagree with each other. And disagreement equals hate. And that's not a good 177 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:59,760 place to be, you know, and even in my show, just a little shameless plug in, I invite people from 178 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:07,440 different political ideologies, just to show what we have. And, and obviously, I gel very easily 179 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:13,760 with a mob with the center left and right more than the democratic, the full blown democratic, 180 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:20,480 full blown Republican, because we have more things in common. Yeah, I definitely see that. And another 181 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:27,120 part to add on to that is the aspect of how, like you said, in terms of social media, in terms of 182 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:35,040 media, and in terms of just general kind of, you know, interaction is kind of shaping issues from 183 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:41,200 the extreme consistently, even though most issues fall, most issues fall in a kind of gray area. 184 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:47,680 But like you said, they they kind of paint these, they use the extremes to kind of justify their 185 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:53,840 positioning, you know, whether it's the fact that liberal is coming and trying to paint conservatives 186 00:18:53,840 --> 00:19:00,240 is all racist, and you know, want to tear down the government by raiding the White House on January 6, 187 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:05,680 or something like a conservative going like, oh, all liberals are crazy, they just want to riot and 188 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:11,520 tear down cities for like the BLM riots. So, you know, in those situations, they try to use 189 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:20,400 extremes and justify their positions, when at the end of the day, most people don't even agree with 190 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:26,320 either of those circumstances in the first place. Now, the extremes do agree with they try to justify 191 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:34,480 and then it's just stupid and idiotic. But for the most part, most people realize that those are just 192 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:41,520 foolish people doing foolish things, you know. So I think what they want to add, they get rewarded 193 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:46,240 with a lot of attention, unfortunately, even though they're the minority, but they get the majority of 194 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:51,520 the attention, especially in social media and media. Yeah, they're they're I sell their I sell. 195 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:58,640 So my question for you, I think a lot of people on my podcast know how I became kind of in the 196 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:03,680 middle kind of did a brief overview. So how'd you end up becoming an independent voter? You didn't 197 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:09,120 mention earlier the fact that you used to kind of align with whichever side you used to align with. 198 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:16,080 So what kind of turned you into the middle? As of right now? All right, I give the short, 199 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,720 very short version of it. When I first started politics, this is when Obama was running for 200 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:27,680 president, I was center left. I always be kind of a centrist even when I will start politics, 201 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:34,160 even as 18 years old, I started as center left because to me at the time, the Democrats seem 202 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,960 like the lesser of the two evils. I was a big fan some of them. But you know, I'll say, okay, 203 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:44,800 Obama's very charismatic. I think we should give him a chance. If I put a slight different makeup, 204 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,280 a little more color to the presidency, if you will, because like, let's just be clear. 205 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:56,800 All of them has been white men. And even though we supposed to be a free free country, but even 206 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:01,680 socialist countries have achieved to have diversity in their leadership. I just don't want 207 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:07,760 diversity, either just for the sake of diversity. I want excellence regardless. Regardless of the 208 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:16,640 skin color, or even if it's a trans person, even being the greatest leader, I will support them. 209 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:22,640 But they have to demonstrate on Mexico. To me at the time, Obama was the better choice. He was 210 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:28,480 charismatic, more articulate than John McCain. And I was really anti Bush at that time. So I was ready 211 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:33,680 going against John McCain. Those certain points, I agree with him because he sounded more realistic 212 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:39,680 at times when he debated, but I was ready for a change because I really I was not a big fan of 213 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:48,240 Bush. So I started off as center left. Fast forward to 2014. Once I start seeing the wokeness and all 214 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:54,720 the stuff came in, I temporarily joined the Republican Party for only two years. And then by 215 00:21:54,720 --> 00:22:01,360 time so Donald Trump got elected. Oh shit, I need to jump this ship as well as it is nice knowing 216 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:04,880 you crazy people, but I'm going to become independent and I think I'm going to stay there 217 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,040 for the rest of my life. And I am perfectly content with that. But just similar to you, 218 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:16,640 I've gotten praise and criticism backlash from both sides and out that pesky issue. 219 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:23,840 It comes to policing. I get more tech from the right when it comes to trying to be rational on 220 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:32,880 what was the issue of how to get rid of Trump and a more legalistic without being hyper partisan, 221 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,840 the left attacked me first. Oh, you don't know what you're talking about. You're stupid. It's not. I 222 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,400 really think you're stupid. And Sally, I have stooped myself down to their level. You know, 223 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:46,800 I haven't always done that right maintaining, you know, this is this Zen level just okay, let them attack me. 224 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:52,320 Doesn't matter. They're ignorant. No, I have stooped down to their level even call them names 225 00:22:52,320 --> 00:23:00,240 because I'm out of push over. I am ready to get down when it comes to conflict. Even though I 226 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:06,400 didn't think I was, but when push comes to shove, you know, I come from New York and we ready to get 227 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:13,920 down. Listen, that's what's gonna happen. And, you know, I try to avoid a fight, but the last resort is 228 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:22,960 I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna lay down quietly because it comes, it came from very volatile to 229 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:29,120 threatening and I don't take threats very lightly. So, you know, that, you know, it hasn't even gone to 230 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:37,520 on point a few times. And it's not pretty, but this is the Sally, this is the culture that we are in. 231 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:44,160 It's very hyper partisan, super divided culture that Sally, it's, I think it's hard being in the 232 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:49,760 middle. The ball is the hardest. If you're a team Democrat, team Republican, you have a slightly 233 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:54,320 easier time because at least you know who your teammates or whatever is your team. Because the 234 00:23:54,320 --> 00:24:00,560 way I see it's like a team sport. It's a team sport. So at being the middle, right, center, left, or right, 235 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:08,640 it's hard sometimes because it's, it depends on the issue. When it comes to immigration, I think I've 236 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,920 been attacked a little more on the left on that. Abortion been attacked on the left. History, I was 237 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:19,040 attacked on the left more than, more than, actually I got attacked by both sides on the right, right and 238 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:24,560 left because they want to reshape history. That's a hell no. Leave truth what it is. I need the 239 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:30,960 beautiful, I need the ugly, I even need the boring parts. I want to make history as true and as 240 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:37,120 comprehensive and as complete as possible. You know, that means we're going to need the ugly, 241 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:40,400 we're going to need the accomplishments, we're going to need all of that. And we're also going to need 242 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:47,840 the obscure stuff that most people don't know. So that, you know, that's, yeah, that's the thing that 243 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:54,880 I, you know, that's the thing I'm still wrestling with, you know, just to make sure I maintain my 244 00:24:54,880 --> 00:25:00,480 sanity and try to just, you know, just hear them out, see where they're coming from. And the biggest 245 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,840 part that actually, just to wrap this up, the biggest part of Lawrence Wiener-Moses that a lot 246 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:11,680 of people got opinions, but they can't back it up, both the left and the right. Strong opinions, 247 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:19,600 but not having a logical framework to back it up effectively. It's just, it's just team sport. It's 248 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,080 just, it's just like a team sport. Yeah. Okay. He's my teammate. I mean, the teammate could kill the 249 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,760 person, but it's all no, no, no, you gotta do it with self-defense. You know, he clearly hit the 250 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,160 person first. No, sometimes he was going to kill. If he didn't do that, it was killed or be killed. 251 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,840 And they justify it. You can put a Democrat or Republican, they'll do the similar thing. So I 252 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:43,040 just think being in the middle is the best thing. And that's the best thing I could do in this crazy 253 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:48,400 politics. We definitely need a third party. I recommend no labels to no labels trying to 254 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:54,880 unite Democrats, Republicans to find a moderate version of the law, which I think is a pretty good 255 00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:02,720 thing. That's the organization we've been following more closely, no labels. Interesting. Yeah. The 256 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,840 third party would be, would be fascinating, but at the end of the day, trying to find a, 257 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:16,960 a strong foundation in terms of where their kind of ideologies lie will always be tough because I 258 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:23,520 think most people are not capable of being able to find that fine line. And I think the people who, 259 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:30,160 for the most part can, don't care enough to even be partake. Right. So I think that's the troubling 260 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:37,120 part in regarding that situation. But for the most part, you know, I'm, I'm with you in terms of, 261 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:44,800 you know, how toxic both sides are. They are the two sides of the same coin, as I like to say, 262 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:52,160 they're literally both get equally as emotionally triggered by any given situation. And they are 263 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:59,440 just as emotional in terms of how they respond. So, you know, not really any difference. It's 264 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:05,440 just like what they're, what side they're kind of vouching for in terms of the left and the right, 265 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:11,520 mostly the, the, the crazy extremes on both sides, to be honest. What that said in terms of the left 266 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:21,440 or right kind of want to kind of paint a picture. Do you, what are like three, three things for both 267 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:27,520 the left, both the right Democrat, liberal, conservative, Republican, what are the three 268 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:34,640 biggest issues you have with both sides? And then what are three ish, what are three things that you 269 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:43,600 like from both sides? All right. Oh, I mean, definitely me as a center person, lean slightly 270 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:50,640 right, right, right now. Um, that's going to be, that's going to be, uh, a pretty tough one to 271 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:56,160 answer, but if I'm going to have to break it down, um, cause I don't want to get too long with it, 272 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:05,920 feel free to cut me off. Okay. What comes to Democrats? The whole woke language pisses me 273 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:11,760 off. I said, do we really need to talk like this? Talk in layman's terms or so track the average 274 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:19,200 American. Cause we ain't going to be talking all this nonsense. And we have a Latin Latino background 275 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:25,920 and I'm with the majority Latinos. We don't like the whole woke language thing. We find it very 276 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:32,880 condescending. This is a genuine, out of touch with reality. So even if it's even left-wing, even some 277 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,920 left-wing Latinos don't like it, except for the progressive ones. Obviously they embrace, they 278 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:43,680 embrace the whole thing. That'll be, that'll be one problem I have with the, with the Democrats on 279 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:51,200 the whole wokeness. Now for the Republicans, even though I do believe in Christian rights, I just, 280 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:57,120 what ticks me off about the right is how hypocritical they are. Because if you're going to be a 281 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:03,200 Christian, a Christian has a much higher standards than most people when it comes to presenting 282 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:09,040 themselves. They cannot enjoy provoking other people. There's a biblical quotes about that. 283 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:14,000 Second Timothy, look at it. I am not making this up. If you love seeking controversy, if you love 284 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:20,400 being controversial, just for sake of being controversial, that is problematic. And some 285 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:26,240 right-wingers really do embrace that. I can give you a few names. Well, it used to be Milo 286 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,800 Yiannopoulos, but you know, he went downhill from there because he couldn't handle- 287 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:36,640 Yeah, I saw a recent debate he had with Destiny. It was very, very pathetic. 288 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:42,160 Yeah. And I've, I have been looking up for Destiny. Destiny actually has peaked by interest 289 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,960 recently. Milo, I barely pay attention to him. I don't take it very seriously. I have to be 290 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:53,200 really honest. Milo, I got a pretty low opinion of the guy, very, very low opinion. I'd rather 291 00:29:53,200 --> 00:30:00,000 give a left-wing person more of the benefit of the doubt than him. Unfortunately. And he did it to 292 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,920 himself. So I can't feel bad. He really did it to himself. All right, so I'm going to go ahead and 293 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:12,000 move on. All right, so that'll be one thing I have a problem with, because Republicans, they want to 294 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:18,400 say, oh, there's used a harsh language to take down the trans and all of that. Well, especially Matt 295 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:26,080 Walsh, prime example. I mean, look, you could criticize the trans ideology. I will agree with 296 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:31,200 that. But if you're going to bash the person, if you make the attacks on the person, you lose my 297 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:38,800 opinion, even though I agree with you ideologically. So no, we need to win people, not alienate people. 298 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:45,600 And Jesus loves everybody. So we're going to preach Christian love. We need to be critical 299 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:52,480 at the ideology itself. Don't make it personal. And some Republicans have a hard time doing that. 300 00:30:52,480 --> 00:31:01,520 The transition documentary. What is a woman? I did not. I don't got the time to give him hours 301 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:08,480 for that. But I did saw his criticism of Dylan Mulvaney. And that one, look, I agree with 302 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:14,720 criticizing the ideology, not the person. And a lot of it was towards the person. And even 303 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:23,040 a lot of the right wing was just, yeah. Yeah, I'll be honest, I did. I did watch the 304 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:28,800 What is a woman documentary because it kept on appearing on my page. I was like, you know what, 305 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:40,240 let me check it out. I did learn quite a bit in regards to trans, the origins of gender studies, 306 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:46,960 which is a little shady from what the documentary said and the kind of perception of trans rights, 307 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:52,640 even in education. A lot of things was very eye opening in the documentary. He's definitely 308 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:58,640 less himself in the sense that he a hundred percent likes to attack people. And that's very 309 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,360 annoying. But in the documentary, he kind of just presents the information, ask questions, 310 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,320 which I respect, which makes the documentary pretty good and what it what it provides. 311 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,040 I've yet to hear. I am interested to hear people, someone who can make counterpoints to everything 312 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,760 the documentary says, because a lot of what the documentary says is very damning. Not going to lie 313 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:25,120 for gender studies and trans rights, more so gender studies in trans rights, not, 314 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:32,880 you know, female ladies studies. You know what I'm saying? So it was a very eye opening. But yeah, 315 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:41,920 Matt Walsh can be a pretty big asshole for sure. Not yet. So I got issues with both parties on how 316 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:50,800 to handle it. Left wing is just essentially just let it all out, which I I would personally disagree 317 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:57,680 because I don't want I don't have a kid of my own yet, but I would not want my nieces and nephews 318 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:03,280 to be very confused in there. But once they turn 18, this is where I'm going to get very centrist. 319 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,160 You do whatever the hell you want. Rather I like it or not. That's my problem. Yeah, I agree. 320 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,600 Once you're an adult, you make your own decisions. You make your own decisions. Rather I like it or 321 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,960 not. That's irrelevant. Who cares? Right. You're an adult. You should have enough experiences, 322 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,680 you know, because when you're doing it to kids and all that, I just don't think 323 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,640 a baby personally, I just don't think it's right. I think that's just pushing the envelope way too 324 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:32,160 far. And now there's some people, some young people that's regretting transition, how they 325 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:38,480 were doing it, the transitioning. I want to say movement, but that trend is beginning to grow a 326 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:43,680 little bit, at least a little by little based on was able to gather. Did you hear about the situation 327 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:50,480 in Wisconsin where a couple of 14 year old girls were showering in their high school 328 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:56,000 locker room and a trans male came in the locker room who was 18 and showered completely naked 329 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,400 in front of them. And then they reported it. Well, they didn't report it. They told a friend and the 330 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:06,160 friend reported it. And now their mothers are extremely upset. Do you hear about that? No, 331 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,120 no, I have not heard about that particular one, but I did hear a couple of instances similar to 332 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:24,720 that. I mean, as a parent, I'm pretty sure I would be upset. Me, just to make a rational solution, 333 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:34,320 trans are going to need their own separate bathroom. That's just me. If you have a big place, 334 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:41,040 have a third bathroom. That's just my solution to it. If it means bringing more dollars, because 335 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,960 look, excluding and hating any group of person, rather agree, disagree with them, not it's just 336 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:52,320 wrong, period. No matter what's justification. I mean, I don't have to agree with their lifestyle, 337 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,200 but I will not hate them. I will defend them just like anybody else. They are fellow human beings 338 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:02,160 at the end of the day. They don't get me wrong. I have made mistakes even attacking that in the 339 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:09,520 past. Now, that reflects saying, wait a minute, I need to attack the ideology, not the person. 340 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,760 Sometimes I went too far, even attack the person. There was a few instances, I was no better than 341 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:20,320 why Matt Walsh on my podcast, but I didn't stretch it as long as he did. He just went 342 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:27,680 bulldozing into the thing. Me, the most I did was just give a couple of scratches, then back off. 343 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,480 Which made me, meaning my attack was more bio compared to his. Still wrong. 344 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:41,120 Still wrong. Yeah. I have a question later for you in reference to the trans stuff. It's very 345 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:46,640 kind of more like a insightful question. I'm curious on your opinion about that, but what is 346 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:53,760 one thing you like from either side? Okay. Well- 347 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,080 For both sides, actually. Right, right. For both sides. Well, for the Democrats, 348 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,480 I like how they try to look out for the little, for the little more marginalized people. That part 349 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:10,160 I like for the Democrats. That shows that they have a broader mindset when it comes to that. That 350 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:16,240 part I like Democrats. I do agree diversity is strength. I absolutely agree with that. 351 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,920 1000%. That part I would never change. Having multiple cultures. I mean, I was raised in New 352 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:27,840 York City. I mean, it's extremely diverse. You go to almost any restaurant you could think of. 353 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:39,360 South African, Thai, Chinese, Argentinian, Puerto Rican, Dominican, Mexican, what have you. They 354 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,280 have all just about a lot of kinds of restaurants, which I think diversity is great. I mean, if it 355 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:50,720 was, just imagine if it was all, I mean, well, sadly, not all neighborhoods are made equally here, 356 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:59,120 but imagine if all of it was too much Latino, too white, too black, too Asian. It would get kind of 357 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:04,880 tiring. At least for me, it would get very tiring. So, me, I spoke about New York City. It's, 358 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:11,600 I have so much, so much options when it comes to food. And the reason why I pick food, 359 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,720 because that's the easy way I could connect to the culture. It might be, it might make me a fat ass, 360 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:22,640 but that's how I connected things. That's how I connect with different cultures and learn about 361 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,520 what they do and study. And I also like the histories of many nations. Unfortunately, 362 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:33,600 I won't have the lifetime to study the whole entire world, but I do like that. And it broadens my 363 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:39,760 horizons. I mean, I talked to a Bangladeshi person one time and I kind of guide him to do better. 364 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:47,520 He has such slow self-esteem. Smart man. The self-esteem was so low. And thank God I was able 365 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:52,800 to shake that low self-esteem out of him. He started doing better for himself. His game is 366 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:59,680 that nice little push. I said, sir, your English is good. Forget about your accent. People's gonna 367 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,920 have to deal with your accent. Okay? They're gonna have to love it or they're gonna have to just go 368 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:10,400 away. Okay? I think your accent is great. Listen, I'm tired of hearing the New York accent myself. So 369 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:19,200 go ahead, continue your Bangladeshi accent. Keep it. Keep it. That makes you you. Okay? Everybody 370 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,040 got an accent. I'm sure go to South Africa, they're gonna think I have a weird accent. 371 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:31,120 All right? Everybody got an accent. Okay? So don't worry about that stuff. You'll do just fine in New 372 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:36,800 York City. I won't be I'm not too sure if you will go to Iowa. You have the same opportunities. I doubt 373 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:43,280 it. But New York City, they got opportunities. You know, if you search hard and hustle hard enough, 374 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,280 even though it's so damn expensive, but that's the that's a different story. So diversity is 375 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:54,320 the thing I like from Democrats. Especially in particular, I don't believe in excluding not one 376 00:38:54,320 --> 00:39:04,400 person because I think diversity is really, really great. For the Republican side. What I like about 377 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:11,840 the Republican side is sometimes I like their communication style. It's simple. It's effective. 378 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,200 That's to me, that's the biggest problem with the Democrats. They sometimes make things too complicated. 379 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,520 Simple branding, Republicans are very good at that. And if they're gonna bullshit, they're 380 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:30,320 gonna bullshit well together. Because they have simple, effective messaging. So I like how the 381 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:39,360 Republicans message. So that'll be the number two for the Republican side. And and on and going back 382 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:45,600 to the Republican side, I will like I like the right to bear arms thing. I am pro Second Amendment. 383 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:53,440 Because because, hey, you're gonna have to defend yourself at some point, especially if I move 384 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,560 out of New York. I mean, I only a gun right now. We have to police. You know, they take forever. 385 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,040 But I'm going to move to a red state. I'm going to have to learn how to use a gun because police is 386 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:09,600 scarce. Houses are further apart. And I'm sure I'll be able to scare a thief with a gun. 387 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,040 Do you believe impermanence carries? 388 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,040 Do you believe in permit permit list carries as of right now? 389 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:29,040 Oh, that part of a moderate no, I think I think we need a permit. But I've seen that a lot of counties 390 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:36,560 have permitted that. And that's why I'm a moderate. I think that's too far. So any no, 391 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,360 more than half the states are a permanent list carrier right now. 392 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:46,080 Yeah. So yeah, no, I read up. Yeah, I read up on that. I forget the exact number, maybe 26 to 27 393 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:52,560 states. 26 with Florida recently. Oh, yeah. That's that's more than that's barely more than half 394 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:59,520 right there. Yeah, I think I think that's I think that's crazy. You see, I won't agree with that. 395 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,560 That's where you lose me. I believe people should have come on if you're a responsible 396 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:10,960 gun owner, what do you have to hide? Okay, you are responsible gun owner. But you now you 397 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:18,080 allow just some I don't know, 18 year old who got drunk or whatever is to get a gun and just 398 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:24,160 shoot up the place just because he's having a bad day. No, I think this is the reason why mass 399 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,080 shootings are happening more often. I won't be surprised. There'll be a correlation to that. 400 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:34,160 As much as I agree with the Second Amendment, that's to me that's pushing it too far. 401 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,520 Just like I'm not a big fan of sanctuary city or state either. 402 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:42,560 I think that's pushing things on too far. That's that's creating leaks in the system. 403 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,920 Anything extreme is is what I'm strongly against. 404 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,920 Interesting. I don't really know in terms of permanent list carries. I'm not 100 percent. 405 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:58,960 The premise does definitely sounds sketchy in terms of anybody being able to carry a gun in any 406 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:05,840 situation. However, I never I'm currently doing research and whether there's an actual 407 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,960 correlation to a permanent list carry state and anything dangerous. I don't think mass 408 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,800 shootings have anything to do with anything gun related inherently. I think it's purely a mental 409 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:22,080 illness situation personally. And that's more of a direct response with how United States is 410 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:29,520 currently culturally. So that's something we have to fix, which is a lot harder to fix considering 411 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:35,040 not recognizing the problem at hand. Some people, a lot of people are just saying take all your guns 412 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:40,800 away, but that's not going to fix the issue. You know, we are having more and more mental illness 413 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:49,200 problems. We're having more and more suicide problems. And I think there's stuff to correlate 414 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:57,840 it to. But most part, these are not talking points. So that's what I'm saying. I think 415 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,400 that's what I personally think is in reference to mass shootings personally. 416 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:08,240 Yeah, no, no, actually. Yeah, I will have to. I have to agree that it was just be clear. I don't 417 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:13,600 want I don't want to make it all of it just based on permits case. But I won't be surprised if 418 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,800 they're just maybe a tissue factor of increasing it. Not the main thing. I do agree with you. 419 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,680 Mental illness, I think is the biggest component of increasing mass shootings. If he was more 420 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,640 depressed, more isolated, ever more unhinged than ever. I mean, we could blame so many things, 421 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:34,880 maybe destruction of the family, definitely social media, cable news media or or crazy 422 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:41,280 media that brainwashes on people that makes people want to do crazy things. And I mean, 423 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,600 those people were already damaged before. I believe these things are more in accelerant. 424 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:51,360 Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised that if 425 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:57,520 a perma less carries increased gun violence, I wouldn't be surprised in that, obviously. 426 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,640 But I don't even know if that's a situation the gun violence increases because it's a criminal act 427 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,920 or is increases because of self-defense. So like I said, there's a lot of research that goes into 428 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:15,120 that aspect of a perma less carries. And it's kind of weird how the Santa is kind of just signed the 429 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:21,280 bill with nobody paying attention. I don't know. I think he kind of just did that to favor some 430 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:27,280 people more so than he believes in it. But, you know, that's how politics is. You kind of just do 431 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:34,160 things to favor people as of right now. Oh, yeah, no, yeah, I definitely. Yeah. I mean, he is slick 432 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:40,880 sometimes that one. I mean, I mean, and I think if I'm not mistaken, he even signed into some abortion 433 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,760 rights soon that's in that state. So he's not going far right when it comes to completely banning 434 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,480 abortion. Yes, which that's interesting, which is interesting, because I think he wants to please. 435 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:56,080 I think some of the some of the voters who started voting for him, I mean, he made a state 436 00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,640 solid red. So I think he wants to keep that influence because I think a lot of counties flipped 437 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,600 red, even counties to be blue for a long time. So I think he wants to keep some of those people, 438 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:13,840 you know, locked into him. You know, that's my theory, at least. Yeah. So to kind of do the same 439 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:20,480 exercise for moderates, what is one positive you could say about being a moderate versus what is 440 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:31,840 one negative of being a moderate? Well, let's see. So being a moderate is great because you have, 441 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:38,640 I believe, a more rational, objective, vantage point of view when it comes to politics, 442 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:45,840 as opposed to being the trenches of team red or team blue. That's a plus to me. And I enjoy the 443 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:51,120 agabee a bit more objective. I mean, don't get me wrong, moderates got their own set of biases, 444 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:58,400 but you're different kind of biases. So I think that's a big plus. The negative is 445 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:06,720 sometimes getting our point across. Since we are so nuanced, I don't think an average brain that's 446 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:12,000 naturally impatient won't grasp it. That's a definite disadvantage of being a moderate. I mean, 447 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:18,800 you already pointed out before, it's hard for us to get to the point. And that happens with me 448 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:24,000 sometimes, especially on certain issues that I'm not well versed in. 449 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,640 What's the issue I'm not well versed in? I'm not going to lie, even though I lean left, 450 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,320 as of now, I climate change. I don't believe I'm the most well-versed person in it, 451 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:38,240 but based on what I was able to gather, so far I lean to the sensor on the left. I do agree we need 452 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:47,360 to take care of our Earth better. But at the same time... The question is, what's the extent of human 453 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,720 impact on climate change or was the inevitability in the first place? That's really the question of 454 00:46:52,720 --> 00:47:00,480 climate change. Some people believe we are the reason why the Earth is going in a bad direction, 455 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:06,160 and some people believe we are a very, very, very small percentage of the reason why it's going there. 456 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,080 It was going to go there anyway. So that's kind of the issue with climate change right now. 457 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:16,080 Me, I just grounded the perspective of taking care of the backyard. Just take care of the damn 458 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:24,320 thing. Do your part. That's it. I don't try to force it upon anybody. I don't like the far left 459 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,080 perspective. Well, the far right, they don't give a shit about the environment. You just 460 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,920 dump anything and who cares? That's their thinking. They're just going to do their own thing. 461 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:40,720 Some of them do believe in conservation. I don't want to just oversimplify that. Some 462 00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:44,400 right-leaning people do believe in conservation. But that's a term they won't call it. They won't 463 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:52,640 call it climate change. So there's a little bit of a disconnect with that even though they want to 464 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:58,240 take care of the Earth, which to me, that's the common ground. They just want to go to Mars and 465 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:04,880 just take over Mars. And I believe we're going to do that. The way we're going, we're going to do 466 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:10,160 that. Probably, probably we'll both be dead by then and our graves when they fully succeed or 467 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,080 who knows, it could be faster than that. The way technology is advancing. Yeah. Technology's 468 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:19,200 advancement is crazy. And now with AI, maybe they will do entire thing before they take over all of 469 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:26,560 humanity. So maybe it will be good there. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. 470 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:32,080 Yeah. So, but yeah, for the most part, I agree with a lot of things you're saying, 471 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:37,280 like the positives in reference to being a moderate. It really kind of frees you from 472 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:43,680 the biases of either ideology and the negative. I kind of said it already, but kind of just 473 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:50,560 say it one more time. The only negative I really see or one important negative I see in reference 474 00:48:50,560 --> 00:49:00,560 to being a moderate is people not having the framework to substantiate their side. 475 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:07,840 And that's the toughest part because you don't have this liberty. Everybody's free. Everybody 476 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:14,800 identifies as whatever you want type of morality to this kind of pure justice and overall freedom 477 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:22,720 that the left has, nor do you have the religious standing to go back on whether it's Jewish, 478 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:31,920 Muslim or Christianity. So you need to create it yourself. You need to figure out what your 479 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:39,200 framework is and then you can apply different issues to that framework. So that's the challenge 480 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:47,840 of being a moderate is primarily figuring out your framework first and then going from there. 481 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:53,200 Once you do figure out that framework, once everybody kind of figures out their own moral 482 00:49:53,200 --> 00:50:00,960 framework, barring the extremes, exceptions that are just psychopaths, we're barring those 483 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:06,960 psychopaths. Most people, if you really think about it, would end up moderate if they're able 484 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:13,280 to create that. It's just as of right now, you're either on the right, either religiously, 485 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:21,360 militarily or economically, or you're on the left because it's mostly a young thing too, 486 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:28,000 because of individual freedom and expression, because you hate violence, because you 487 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:40,160 go to college for the most part. So that's just how it is as of right now and that's something 488 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,160 you have to consider if you want to stay away from either side. 489 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:56,640 Now, yes, and I think as a general group using simplistic perspective, we're all over the place. 490 00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:02,080 Generally speaking, within the center. Yeah. Whether you're center left, center right, or just 491 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:08,080 center center, or just pure center, which is extremely rare. Yeah, we're just kind of all 492 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:15,040 over the place because the way I have analyzed it, I use polls, I inclusive dependents. 493 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,800 I get dependents who will favor Republicans or some things and it depends on who will 494 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:24,000 favor Democrats or something. I vote I.D. I was somewhat shocked that they will agree more 495 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:30,640 Republicans and with the vote I.D. thing more than on the Democrat perspective. However, 496 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:35,680 they agree with Democrats more when it comes to abortion, things like that. So we're the ones 497 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:44,000 that kind of chooses the winner unless the state is solid or the county look, red or blue. So if 498 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:52,000 it's swing, the moderate voice is most powerful one. Yeah. Also, the situation. 499 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:57,760 Also, another thing, the reason why people like the left so much is because it's honestly more 500 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:04,000 fun to be left. If we're being completely honest, like all the sex you can want, you can do whatever 501 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:10,240 you want. You have all these like emotional friends that will always back you for anything you do. 502 00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:15,680 You're never in the wrong. You are the good guy in every situation. Like if it's, hey man, 503 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:20,560 it's probably more fun to be on the left. You can go crazy over there without any back ends. 504 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,880 You can do whatever you want. You could be a dog for all you care. So, you know, you can do 505 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:32,880 whatever you want. So my my final question before I wrap things up, because I said I did have a 506 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:40,880 question that I wanted to ask you to kind of get your perspective on is so my current kind of 507 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:48,720 vantage point in reference to looking at the trans climate, trans culture as of right now is I watched 508 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:54,480 a video and they were talking about, you know, trans issues. And originally we know that, you 509 00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:02,160 know, being trans was very much associated with gender dysphoria. That's where it kind of started 510 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:08,080 out. And the essence of gender dysphoria is not is a mental illness, obviously, and it's usually 511 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:17,520 caused from some type of like trauma as a child, you know, abuse, etc. Right. Now I watched this 512 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:23,600 video and trans, there's trans, do transitioners and trans people talking about trans issues. 513 00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:29,200 And when they reference whether or not trans being trans is a mental illness, 514 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:34,560 a lot of people who were trans said it is not a mental illness. So I was looking at it, I was 515 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:42,560 like, OK, the the original reason why, you know, trans was a thing is because of a mental illness, 516 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:47,520 gender dysphoria. Now you're saying it's not a mental illness, which is very interesting. 517 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,920 So the original reason why we want to accept more trans people is to be 518 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:56,320 cognizant of these people suffering from the mental illness and give them a place to belong. 519 00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:02,720 But now if the the purpose of being trans has expanded as of right now to being something 520 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:13,920 beyond a mental illness, does that mean that as of right now, being trans is more of a trend? 521 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:22,080 And what I mean by that is that back in the day, if someone was a boy and he's slightly feminine, 522 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:28,160 you just be like a Tom girl or whatever, grow up and either be more feminine, maybe gay or 523 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:33,680 just go out of it and is just masculine or vice versa with a female. But now, 524 00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:40,080 if you're even slightly feminine, you're immediately just trans because it's not a 525 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:45,280 mental illness thing. It's kind of a way life. So if you are this if there's a slight inclination, 526 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:51,120 slight inclination, you're not acting how a boy or girl should act and you're immediately 527 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:59,760 you're immediately just trans. Is that the is that the direction that the trans climate 528 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:05,760 and United States culture is going into? Or do you think it's not that serious? 529 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:16,640 Well, I definitely do see it as a growing trend. And in the fact that I don't talk about is the 530 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:22,800 chemicals that even influence it as well in the biological level. So all this artificial 531 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:30,560 bridge BPA stuff, whatever has influence on people, the hormone growth has been disrupted, 532 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:35,280 especially among the male gender, more than females. Not saying females are not immune to it. 533 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:42,240 They are part of it as well. But so far, I see a little more on boys transitioning to girls rather 534 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:49,920 than vice versa. I do see it definitely as a growing trend. Some people I believe some people 535 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:55,440 is doing it because it's just a cool thing to do to be honest, even though it's to me personally, 536 00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:01,280 it's crazy. But hey, that's your body your choice, right? You know, the end of the day. So 537 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:09,680 I believe is that I still believe on me personally, I want to say that because this thing is evolving. 538 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:16,480 That's the thing I keep in mind, because this is a very recent, the way I see a more recent 539 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:21,360 development. I mean, I'm sure it's been around for a long time, but it just exploded into mainstream 540 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:26,800 media is evolving quickly. Robert, if I were on eyes, because the shoe, you know, mental, you know, 541 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:34,080 it was considered mental illness. I still believe it is. But hey, I think it's up to I personally 542 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:42,160 is up to them just to figure it out. If I be called a transfer for his perspective, so be it. But I 543 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,400 just think that if they're going to make that choice, that's really think about the pros and 544 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:52,080 cons like any other big decision, you know, and you know, they're, you know, and just to think that 545 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:58,160 guys act feminine or women acting masculine, I don't think it makes a chance right away. But sadly, 546 00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,720 since we're so conditioned to think that way, we just jumped to that conclusion, said just maintaining 547 00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:07,680 the nuances, you know, you know, some guys have feminine features, or so women got masculine 548 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:13,360 features. I mean, that's always been the thing. Even on back then, but since we culturally think, 549 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:19,360 okay, he's acting more feminine, he likes to wear dresses, okay, he's immediately trans me, 550 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,840 I believe you have to physically go through the surgery just from just me personally call you 551 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:28,720 a trans, not just a boy act like a girl, I will be more like a cross dresser or drag queen. 552 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:33,120 To me, there are two different things trans is you got to actually go through the surgery just 553 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:39,360 to go through a gender transition. That's the way I see it. That's a bit of a long winded answer, 554 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:46,880 but this is a very recent issue. I don't have a clean, short, concise answer to all of that. 555 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:51,280 And I just believe children should not be transitioning. I will say that statement again, 556 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,040 once they're adult, you do whatever the hell you want, rather I like it or not. 557 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,200 I don't have to like it. Okay. I understand. Yeah. For the most part, 558 00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:05,760 it's an interesting thing to think about. If it's kind of turning into that, if it's kind of 559 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:13,600 transitioning into that direction, no pun intended. And if it is that just, you know, 560 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:20,240 don't know if that's a good or bad thing, most likely I'll say for kind of reaffirming that much 561 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:25,280 that it's kind of a bad thing, especially with all the people who are D transitioning. So, 562 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,840 something to consider at the very least, I don't know if being trans isn't necessarily trend, 563 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:35,200 but being part of the LGBTQ plus, I definitely think is becoming a trend on a percent and trans 564 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:40,080 might be part of it, but I think that community is becoming a trend. I've talked about it before. 565 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:47,520 I know why they're becoming a trend because they offer a safe haven for like you to be who you are 566 00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:54,720 and it kind of is like a where to belong. If you're an outcast type of group nowadays. So, 567 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:59,760 obviously all those people who have no friends, don't belong to sports, don't belong in video 568 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:06,160 games, all that stuff, they go to the LGBTQ plus community. So I understand why it exists. I do 569 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:13,760 think it has a place, but the there's, there's lines that need to be drawn. There are lines, 570 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,760 obviously with everything, with the religious people too. So. 571 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,560 Yeah. I mean, the only thing I want to add for the religious point of view is 572 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:30,400 don't beat somebody up with a Bible. Okay. If they don't want to be what God, that's their choice. 573 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:36,160 I mean, there's a biblical quote saying, if they reject you, just your feet, move on. 574 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:42,960 And I think people miss that. I'm a Christian myself. I, I like to say I'm a proud Christian. 575 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:47,440 Sometimes I don't feel proud and that's kind of oxymoron to King. That's supposed to be proud. 576 00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:52,160 God resists the proud. So I have to stop saying that if I'm going to be biblically consistent, 577 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:58,960 it is the deadly sin. Yeah. So, you know, I have to stop saying that even though it's a bad habit 578 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,720 of mine, you know, I'm willing to admit my habits right there, but I'm willing to admit my 579 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,960 it's a bad habit of mine. You know, I'm willing to admit my habits right there around the spot. 580 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:12,880 So, cause I'm not going to play perfect. I'm not going to play judge. You know, that's the great 581 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:20,320 G O D's job. So I don't want to take that spot. I've tried it. It actually almost made me 582 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:28,080 went into a mental breakdown. So, no, I don't, I don't want that, but I will try to be as Christian 583 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:32,640 as I could be. Try to be a good Christian. You know, that, that, that's my thing. If people, if 584 01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:38,080 people don't want to be Christian, that's their choice. God respected. Yeah. Uh, do you have any 585 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:47,520 final words before you wrap it up? Um, no, I think we had a great discussion. I believe so. We 586 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:52,560 definitely try to maintain as much nuances. I could say that with a thousand percent confidence, 587 01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:58,640 you know, it's not easy to do it in a certain time bracket, right? I'd be 20 minutes, 30 minutes, 588 01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:03,680 a little easier in an hour, but definitely the 20 minute, 30 minute format is a lot harder 589 01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:11,120 unless you focus on one topic. So I, I, I believe, um, I actually learned some things or even confirmed 590 01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:17,200 some things that I have on before that I didn't have, you know, I, and just for the, yeah, that's 591 01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:22,480 not sad. I think it's a great discussion. I mean, I would like to come back if it's, that's possible. 592 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:28,080 Whenever, um, whenever you think it's the time, cause I think, um, these conversations should not 593 01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:34,480 be a one time thing for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I feel, um, I agree. And I wouldn't, uh, I don't mind 594 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:39,680 having you back, of course, a lot of the things to talk about, of course, and, uh, especially with 595 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:45,440 the upcoming election and all the crazy stuff that's happening with the, you know, the U S debt 596 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:50,000 ceiling stuff that's going on with ducal Carlson getting fired from Fox cause he keeps on saying 597 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:55,440 the election was a fraud with, you know, you know, China, Russia, I want to take over the world. 598 01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:02,000 You know, there's a lot of things just going on in the world that needs to be talked about. So, um, 599 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,760 appreciate you coming on Elias, of course, make sure to check out his information. They will be 600 01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:12,800 on the website, www.thetrendwithrtlfaith.com. Make sure you give a rating on this podcast. Five stars, 601 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:18,720 much appreciated. Leave a review, of course, to get shouted out. Hope you guys enjoyed. 602 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:46,640 Y'all have a good one. Stay tuned for next Monday.