#20 -The Constitutional Carry Debate: Safety or Risk?

00:00:00 Less than a year after Tennessee enacted a permitless carry law, a manager shot at a customer who complained about that wait time at a restaurant. There is no background check to ensure that these people are in their right mind, that they have no violent past. There is no training to ensure that they know how to use the gun, that they know that they're educated on the gun law, implementing in depth firearm classes and training within education. Good morning, good evening, good afternoon. Welcome back to the pod and as you could tell, little things have changed.00:00:40 Now, I did a kind of retooling and upgrade, I would say, in terms of all the branding of the podcast. First and foremost, the podcast now moving forward is called The Purple Political Breakdown. Not The Purple Political Podcast. And the website moving Forward is www.purplepoliticalbreakdown.com. A lot more concrete, a lot more solidified.00:01:04 You don't have to remember all these different terminologies when it comes to my podcast. So it really helps when it comes to branding. So hopefully everybody will get used to it moving forward for future episodes, of course. So with that said, today we'll be doing episode number 20. I'm your host for Dell Lewis.00:01:22 We got a solo episode, if you can't tell, and it's going to be about the constitutional carry. Is the constitutional carry a good thing for the United States? Yes or no? Before we dive into the heaty, controversial topic, I'm going to read off a review. This is from Leave march.00:01:43 They said The Purple Political Podcast now it's called The Breakdown is an interesting look at politics and humans in the modern day. I really enjoyed learning something new from every episode and the point of view of the host. Thank you very much. A great listen for anyone who wants to discuss politics. I appreciate you.00:02:03 That's what I'm here to do. Have great conversations and come up with great solutions for the biggest issues going on. And if you ever want to debate me or have a long depth discussion about some future topic, feel free to go to my website, join the discord. And we can do that. We can set something up, of course.00:02:20 And don't forget, make sure you also leave a review for future episodes so you can get shouted out or just leave a five stars on Apple podcast and spotify if you enjoyed. If you didn't enjoy, I guess a four star is good as well, you know what I'm saying? So let's dive right into the topic at Ham. Now, I want to start off by giving some definitions in reference to what is actually being discussed and talked about. There are two definitions that I want to iterate to you right now.00:02:48 What is the Second Amendment and what does constitutional carry even mean? Now the Second Amendment says as follows a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. I did a prior episode, the Bill of Rights episode, episode number 18, if you want to check that out to get a full breakdown of the Bill of Rights. And in that episode, I went over every amendment ranked them as well at the end of the episode. And the Second Amendment basically has two primary interpretations on what it really means in this verbiage.00:03:26 The first interpretation is in reference to the state's specific powers. As I said, it's talking about a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state. So the power is supposed to be given to the state is the interpretation and its ability to protect the people from the federal government. And the state has all the power in deciding whether people or not have guns or not. It doesn't give individual people's rights.00:03:53 It's really just focusing on the state's ability to protect itself against the federal government. Now, the secondary interpretation, the more popular interpretation in reference to the Second Amendment, is it talks about how all people individually should have the right to carry a gun, have the right to hold and bear arms. So there's two interpretations. The second one is the more popular one nowadays, and that's the one that people really focus on. With that said, I want to give you a definition for constitutional carry.00:04:24 Now, the definition of constitutional carry is as follows in the United States, the term constitutional carry, also called permalous carry, refers to legal public carrying of a handgun, either openly or concealed, without a license or permit. The phrase does not typically refer to the unrestricted carrying of a long gun, a knife, or other weapons. The scope and applicability of the constitutional carry may vary by state to state. The phrase constitutional carrier reflects the view that the Second Amendment to the US. Constitution does not abide restrictions on gun rights, including the right to carry or bear arms.00:05:03 So that is the definition of constitutional carry. Now, based on the two definitions, you can see why people would interpret the Second Amendment to be something that involves constitutional carry. But in terms of the actual verbiage, it says nothing about constitutional carry inside the amendment. People are just going along with the second interpretation of the Second Amendment and are just going all the way over there with it and stretching it as far as they can reach. The interpretation of it being an individual right is extended to the point where people think they don't even need a permit and they don't need any restrictions, period, on it.00:05:43 So that is kind of where we're at. Now, in reference to constitutional carry, why is this a topic of discussion in the first place? Why am I breaking it down and why am I discussing it? Well, as of right now, recently, Florida is the most recent state to implement permalous carries in their state. And now over half the states of the United States of America are currently permalist carry states.00:06:10 Now, I'm not inherently against permalist carry by any means. I am willing to have the discussion in reference to whether or not it's even a good thing for the country. But it's a very interesting thing, as of right now, that more than half the states in the country itself are now giving people the right to carry a gun at any point without a permit. Will it keep on going? Will more and more states?00:06:36 Will all 50 states will probably never get there. But the conversation should at least be had if this is a wise thing to do moving forward. And later on, I'm going to give a full breakdown of all the states that have a permiss carry. I'm going to tell you what they are and I'm going to tell you their current ranking in terms of gun homicides in America. And we can potentially see if there's any correlation, if there's not a correlation, or if the data itself is saying something completely different.00:07:12 Now, in this topic of conversation, I like to break things down in different perspectives to really give a full overview picture of what is going on in this circumstance, the individual level, the state level, focusing on the data and what it actually says about guns, concealed carries, permitless carries, as of right now. And then I want to look at it on a more kind of broad, meta, philosophical, worldwide point of view in reference to people just having guns, right? People just having guns without any type of check. And then I'm going to come up with a solution at the end of the episode on what I think is best if we do plan to continue with the permitless idea. So it's at the very least something to think about moving forward.00:08:07 Now, I'm going to start off by giving some anecdotal indications and quotes in countering the idea of permitless carries in the first place, so we can get some perspective on how permitless carry has affected different types of individuals that are currently undergoing that situation. Some incidents here indicate that months after Texas enacted a permitless carry law, a father of three was shot to death in an argument about a parking lot. Less than a year after Tennessee enacted a permalist carry law, a manager shot at a customer who complained about that wait time at a restaurant. Just days after Georgia enacted permitless carry, an 18 year old shot a man in a supermarket over a dispute in the meat department. Now, what these anecdotal circumstances is trying to outline for you is that with a permanent carry, it gives anybody the ability to have a gun in any situation.00:09:13 And by having a gun in any situation, even the slightest of inconvenience can cause a very major circumstance to happen where people potentially could die. For example, a father could shoot someone to death after an argument. For example, a manager who gets upset at a customer can shoot someone. Or the last example an 18 year old can just go crazy and start shooting people in a supermarket and he could do that at any point because he has a gun without a permit. Now, the counterargument to these situations, is it possible they could have done it with a permit because who's stopping them to have a gun with a permit in those situation?00:09:53 Another counterargument is are these situations even indicative of the permitless carry law in the first place or are these situations just something that happened after the law was implemented? You always have to kind of take things into perspective even with this anecdotal evidence but it really sheds a light that the possibility of people more so nowadays having a gun in random situations and kind of incentivized to have a gun since they don't have to go through the arduous process. To some when it comes to getting a permit such as paying for a permit, such as taking the classes, such as taking the background check, you don't have to worry about any of that. You could just have a gun and that may incentivize just more people, more dangerous people to have a gun in very terrible situations. Something that people need to realize when it comes to permitless carries as well is that when it comes to private sales one time I did a clip on TikTok and whatever and I talked about how you don't need a background check to get a gun.00:10:59 A lot of people are saying oh yeah, you do. Just to be very clear for people you need a background check for all purchases from a federal agency. If it's a private seller, you do not need a background check. The only exception for permanent states where you need a background check even in private sales is Vermont. All the other states you do not need any background check to buy from a private seller.00:11:30 So I just want to reiterate that now. So if it's that easy to get a gun from a private seller, you don't need a background check. You can have a past criminal history, you can be mentally ill and you're put in these situations it's definitely possible that it can raise the danger level and random occurrences in these states in these situations. So at the very least, something to be aware of. Now, I also want to read off something that was said by a sheriff of Hamilton County, Ohio.00:12:04 They said that the state's recently enacted permanent carry law limits her oversight over who can carry a concealed weapon. She notes that prior to this bill being passed she rescinded last year some 200 concealed carry permits from those charged with crimes such as domestic violence or assault. Now she can't do that and those 200 people can conceal carry without the benefit of law enforcement oversight. So what she means by this is that these people who have a gun can continuously carry a gun even if they don't have a permit. If the cop decides, hey, you're a bad person, maybe you got a misdemeanor for violence and I'm going to take your permit and you can no longer carry your gun.00:12:49 That has no value anymore because of the permalist carry laws, if they already have their gun, because we don't have laws put in place where cops can just take people's guns. That doesn't exist to a certain extent. I feel like some states have an example of that, but it's not something that is mainstream or popular or happens even in the majority of the time. So the cop is not going to take your gun after your violent outburst. They could take your permit, but now without that, they can't take anything.00:13:21 So you can still carry your gun after you did some violent crime, violent misdemeanor, and the cop can't do anything about it until you do something really bad that forces them to put you behind bars. So that is a concern that was made from a cop in a state with permulous carriers. There's a lot more other quotes from states like Tennessee, from states like Texas where cops are concerned with people just having guns without any type of checks or balances in reference to knowing if they're a criminal or not knowing if they are even holding a gun or not because they can't even ask for a permit. So it's a very dire situation and differentiating between a good situation and a bad situation for police officers. And another aspect beyond the background check that a lot of people have iterated in reference to permalous carries is the fact that you're not even required to do any type of training, any type of gun training, any type of firearm training.00:14:29 Firearm training has a lot of value. I don't think that's something any of us would kind of discount right when it comes down to it, when you're doing something that is as specialized as using a gun, you probably would want some training at the very least. Training can also provide you education in terms of the gun laws, in terms of how to use a gun, in terms of how to reload a gun, in terms of the safety, in terms of how to safely put it or stow it away inside your home. It just provides you both training and exercise and education and gun usage, period. And you're not required to do any of that.00:15:12 Even if you want to argue that most people get their gun from a federal agency and it's going to require a background check, well, they're not going to be required to do any training. They're not going to require to do any of that. You just give them a gun and they're on their way. So those are some things to consider. The concern with the permalist carry for some individuals is that there is no background check to ensure that these people are in their right mind, that they have no violent past.00:15:44 There is no training to ensure that they know how to use the gun, that they know that they're educated on the gun laws in terms of they're educated on safe usage of the gun in the first place. Because we know there's a lot of accidents when it comes to gun usage. And we know that sometimes in a situation where maybe they have to pull out a gun in a dangerous situation, if they don't know what they're doing, they're just making things worse. At the end of the day, when you really look at it at the individual level, the concern at the end of the day is more guns out in society without any checks could be more dangerous for society for every person involved. I wonder if anyone saw that random kind of either as a TikTok or an image of this guy walking into a restaurant with a whole AR on his back, like, what are you doing, my guy?00:16:39 I think you're kind of ODing in this situation. Now we're going to look at the data and the statistics to see if any of this stuff is even supported in a second. But let me kind of give a more a different outlook in terms of the individual level in reference to constitutional carries, because some people believe that the constitutional carry is a right. It's a constitutional right. It's an ingrained right at the end of the day that every person should have.00:17:10 Now, I did read off the Second Amendment and what a constitutional carry means. Inherently, the Second Amendment says nothing about a constitutional carry. So there's no inherent right that you were offered when it comes down to owning a gun that simply does not exist. Now, your interpretation, you may want to reach it to the point where you think it exists, but inherently it does not exist in terms of what as actually said in the Constitution itself. But you may have a point in referencing the right to protect yourself, because that's another point in reference to the right.00:17:43 I want the ability to protect myself. I want the ability to make sure that I'm okay. Well, the argument or the discussion here is not in response to taking guns away, because I'm not agreeing with that. The argument here is whether or not permalous carries are something that is good for the country. Could you argue that in reference to protecting yourself, it would be more wise to protect yourself after you've gone through some training to ensure that you know how to use the gun after you got more educated on stowing?00:18:16 The gun to make sure that maybe your kids or your girlfriend or your boyfriend or your dog doesn't get a hold of the gun in some weird way. Maybe you want to be educated in the gun law so you don't get improperly detained for having your gun in a bad situation. Maybe this information helps you protect yourself at the end of the day, right? So when it comes down to wanting to protect yourself, in all honesty, training and education just benefits you more. That's just to debunk that whole point.00:18:53 That's all I'm trying to do because I don't really see the value of that point now. I don't see the value of the first two points about it being all right. I don't see the value of the fact that you want to protect yourself because having a permit that's carry doesn't really change the fact that you can still protect yourself with a permit, because that's the differentiating factor. And when it comes down to a permit, some people say it's a very arduous process. It takes a long time.00:19:19 When it comes down to it, shouldn't it take a while for you to do something like this? Doesn't it take a while to get your license? Doesn't it take a while to get your certificate? I mean, anything that requires something in terms of a type of specialty or important usage probably is going to take some time. I don't think that's a good excuse either, if I'm being completely honest.00:19:49 So I'm looking at it from the individual level, and it seems to me from the outside looking in, it's just a bunch of people who just really like guns. I mean, that's not a problem. You really like guns. But the people who really like guns, you can just get a permit. You can still have your guns, right?00:20:13 It may take some time out of your day to get your permit, but you can still get your guns.00:20:21 It's not complicated. I do feel like probably people who are mentally ill and people who have a criminal record probably feel differently because obviously this law benefits them inherently. But I'm just focusing on the majority of people who most likely can get a permit and just don't want to. I think the only counterargument in reference to not getting a permit is that I don't want to. Now, I did see one more counterargument in reference to the permitless carry.00:20:54 And this argument is that we should have more guns out there. What this is going to do is have more guns out there. I already said more guns out there scares some people because there's more anecdotal situations where people can get shot over stupid situations. But another outlook in terms of having more guns out there is more people will know about guns, more people will be informed about guns. And that could help with people understanding how guns are used.00:21:23 I guess so. But if they are not educated or if they're not trained in terms of all the guns that are put in front of them and advertised in front of them, then it really doesn't serve a positive purpose if they're not utilizing it properly. So that's just something to consider. In terms of the individual level. I really trying to look at a positive reason at the individual level.00:21:47 The only two kind of reasons I don't think are strong enough in my personal opinion. But even if you want to not buy in on the counterarguments of the permissare, the only ones that I really care about is making sure people get trained and the sickos don't get guns. Even if you don't want to buy all the anecdotal evidence, or if you don't want to care what the cop says, we can definitely just look at the data. We can look at what the statistics are actually saying about permitless carries and concealed carries and gun usage. Now, I do want to kind of put things into perspective a little bit.00:22:31 All these statistics are from a specific point of view. It's very obvious that their argument is against constitutional carries. And I'm going to provide more statistics on a more broader sense moving forward. But I'm just going to lay out some statistics. As of right now, that is the counterargument for constitutional carries.00:22:51 And referencing its capability of increasing gun violence, one statistic says that states which weaken permitting laws and allow people to obtain permits with no live fire training experienced an 18% increase in firearm assault. Another study looking at cities found that violent firearm crime increased 29% in cities within states that weakened firearm permitting laws, with the largest increase shown in firearm robberies. Other studies, assembly, found that weaker concealed carry laws increase other forms of violence as well. One analysis found that states with weak or no regulations had 29% increase of workplace homicide committed with firearms. Another found that states which enacted permalous carries experienced a 13% increase in fatal and non fatal police shootings of civilians compared to what would have been expected had stronger carrying standards remained in place.00:23:52 So right there, I just reiterated a slew of statistics kind of supporting the claim that in general, weaker permit laws and permitless carries can increase the gun violence. Now, with that said, there is some research showing that in terms of the data, in terms of the amount of studies that are being put out there in society, they wanted to make sure that these studies had strong supporting evidence. When you were doing research, just because you found one case study doesn't necessarily mean that that case study is correct, because there's a lot of factors to determine who they're getting their data from. What is the thing being studied? Where's the sample size at?00:24:43 Who is the sample size? How long did the study occur? There's a lot of things you have to consider. And this corporation called Rand Corporation reviewed 123 studies and gave a big overview on the true essence of the accumulation of do these studies support the claims that are being made? So now I'm going to go over a chart.00:25:07 It has more data that's going to talk about some of the evidence that it's implementing. And in this situation it's going to try to figure out whether there's enough studies that even support the ideas that are being referenced that are trying to be supported against constitutional carry. So there's a lot of categories I'm going to go over. There's things such as defensive gun use, self defense, gun industry outcomes, basically the gun industry and how they're benefiting, hunting and recreation usage, mass shootings, police shootings, suicide, unintentional accidents with a gun, and violent crime. So these are the categories that are going to be marked.00:25:52 I'm going to go over the things that are being kind of tested in terms of are trying to be found in reference to the 123 studies that are being implemented. You can find this information@rand.org. The article itself, if you want to search it up, is called what Science tells US about the Effects of Gun Policy. So hopefully this helps you out and I'm going to use some terminology that I'm going to define right now. There is a no study where there's no study supporting it, inconclusive, there's not enough kind of support, limited at least one study meeting an inclusion criteria, moderate two or more studies, and supportive at least three studies not compromised by serial methodological weaknesses.00:26:40 So this is based on their own criteria if they think it even supports it. So even this could be somewhat screwed. But it gives a more fair outlook in reference to gun policies. So first and foremost, when it comes down to it, some of these things that have a moderate requirement or moderate level of evidence that supports what is going on is minimum age requirements. It does somewhat help from the evidence that support it from all the case studies in terms of reducing suicide.00:27:14 So having a minimum age requirement is a policy we should definitely have, making sure that kids don't have guns. In addition to that, there's moderate evidence supporting how taking guns away from domestic violence situations can help. Taking guns from people who are bad actors, such as violent criminals, minors also will help in reducing violent crime. So in these situations, if you take guns away from people who don't deserve guns, there's a good number of evidence that supports that it's a good idea. Now there's limited evidence and whether or not taking it away from the mental ill is a good idea.00:27:50 The question on the mental illness and which types of mental illness even qualify you having or not having a gun is still being studied and researched and trying to figure out that fine line is very tough. Let's keep on going. A lot of interesting information. Like I said, you could check out the source, of course, background checks, one of the core pillars of what permalous carriers can definitely impact when it comes to private sales. There's a moderate amount of evidence that supports that it will help deter violent crime.00:28:22 Background checks. Background checks. Now, true when it comes down to the federal level, the federal level, federal agencies, all of them require a background check, but the private sales don't. So that's something to talk about moving forward.00:28:50 There's limited evidence, there's little evidence to support that banning assault weapons and high capacity magazines prevent mass shootings. It makes sense, right? Because those are the weapons that they're using in these situations. But I still think mass shootings is more indicative on the mental illness crisis we have currently in our country licensing and permit requirements. It's inconclusive if it helps with violent crimes, but it does have a little evidence to support that.00:29:21 It does help with suicide. So it's very interesting. I'm curious how inconclusive the evidence really is in referencing the violent crime situation. It says that when it comes to child access preventive laws, it obviously has a strong amount of evidence to support. It helps preventing suicide, it helps preventing unintentional injuries and death, and it helps preventing violent crime.00:29:45 We do not want kids to have guns. Now this is very interesting. Concealed carry laws. It says that concealed carry laws, basically what it means is that they're less restrictive concealed carry laws in reference to carrying your guns in public places. This is in reference to the permalist carry or very weak permitting carries.00:30:12 Has strong supportive evidence in increasing violent crimes is what it says. And the last one is stand your ground laws. Stand your ground laws are basically the law that allows people to basically, instead of flee, shoot the criminal. And that also has strong amount of evidence that supports that increased violent crime as well. So these are more objective barriers of going over around 123 case studies to find supportive evidence.00:30:44 And the ones I only talked about were the moderate amount of supporting evidence, the strong amount of supportive evidence to really indicate that there are a number of studies supporting this idea. And in this situation, the strong amount of studies do indicate that concealed carry laws that are weakening the ability to carry a gun in public has a strong correlation with violent crime. Now, there are a lot of other things that you can look at, of course, but it does some things that at the very least point out. Our background checks are extremely helpful. There's some correlation of the current standard of concealed carry laws to the increase of violent crime, at the very least.00:31:29 I wanted to give you the audience the ability to kind of look at the data yourself. So I'm going to give you statistics of the 26 states that have permitless carries. I'm going to give you their ranking and their gun death rate per 100,000. So let's dive right into it. First is Alabama, the second highest in terms of gun death rate with a gun death rate of 22.9.00:31:55 Alaska, the first highest in gun. Death rate with a 24.5 arizona the 18th highest in gun death rate with a 15.8 arkansas the 7th highest 20.3 florida, 27th highest 12.4 georgia, 19th highest 15.4 idaho, 15th highest 16.4 indiana, 20th highest 15.3 iowa, 41st highest nine kansas, 17th highest 16 kentucky, 16th highest 16.2 maine, 35th highest 11.7 mississippi, fifth highest 21.5 missouri, 6th highest 21.5 montana, third highest 22.5 nebraska, 42nd highest 8.3 new Hampshire, 40th highest 10.4 north Dakota, 25th highest 13.2 ohio, 23rd highest 13.7 oklahoma, 13th highest 17.2 south Dakota, 32nd highest 11.7 tennessee, 11th highest 18.4 texas, 28th highest 12.4 utah, 21st 21st highest 14 vermont, 36th highest, the only state that forces you to do background checks for private sales 11.7. West Virginia 9th highest 18.6, and Wyoming, 8th highest 18.8. So, as you can see from all these data points, there's actually a lot of variety. A lot in the teens, a good amount in the even latter half in terms of gun violence.00:33:58 But the top eleven, most of them I think, except number ten, are all permitless carry states. A good chunk of the top gun death rates in terms of the United States are permitless carry states. What this means is the data is decently inconclusive, if I'm being completely honest, because the question has to be there are states like Nebraska, there are states like Vermont, there are states like Iowa who have extremely low gun death rates, extremely low gun death rates, they are permitless states. What makes them different? I'm not going to say that they're exception necessarily because it's not like the one through 26th is all permitless carry states.00:34:56 No, that's not how it works. Even Florida, who is the most recent to implement it, is 27th in terms of the ranking. There may be some type of correlation because the top eleven is basically all permalist carry states besides one state. But if you look at the totality of data, just because you're a permanent state doesn't necessarily mean that you are a state with a high gun death rate. But the data in terms of which one it favors more, definitely favors more violent.00:35:29 Now the question is, is it more violent because the permalous carry was implemented or was it already an extremely violent state and they tried the permiss carry strategy to help deal with the high death rates in comparison to other states across the country? That is the question that definitely needs to be asked. So there's a lot of data, and if I'm looking at the data very objectively, there's a lot of data that definitely supports that at some extent. There are some slight correlations to having weak concealed carry laws, having weak permit standards that correlate to some type of increase of gun violence in that area. That's just the facts of the matter.00:36:20 So the last perspective I want to look at is the worldwide perspective. Does this even make sense? If you really think about it as a person do you truly want the person next to you to have a gun at any point? Why is it even necessary to have a gun? We know for a fact that having such a violent weapon can increase the likelihood of a dangerous situation happen.00:36:51 An argument could perpetuate somebody being stupid and pull out their gun. They can be stupid and do an accident. They can feel depressed and feel like, oh, this is a quick way to take my life. Guns inherently, when it comes down to it, can emit the largest amount of violence in a very quick amount of time. I'm not against guns, but when you look at things logically, this is the truth of the matter.00:37:22 So why do we want more people in society to have guns? It's a very weird situation. We want more people to have guns thinking that's going to be a safer society. Not only do we want more people to have guns now we want more people to have guns without any type of training, any type of check. Sure, federal agencies will do a background check, but when it comes down to a private seller, I could sell it to you.00:37:58 Without a background check. You can be mentally ill, you can have a criminal record. It doesn't matter. So we're being less restrictive in terms of the standards of such a violent weapon in the hands of different people. Why is that the intelligent way to go about this situation?00:38:19 I don't understand that type of thinking.00:38:25 We should be focusing instead of loosening the gun laws and the data supports that this is not a good idea. I think the focus should be on making guns safer, making more people educated on guns, right? Shouldn't that be the goal? So more people can use guns safely? Shouldn't that be the goal?00:38:53 Find ways to make guns harder to get for criminals? Shouldn't that be the goal? I never really understand what there's one way to look at it. People just like guns and they don't care about the logical reasoning behind all these different arguments. After looking at the data, after looking at the different viewpoints of guns, after thinking about it philosophically, there's really not strong arguments to support permalist carries.00:39:32 But more and more states are implementing permalous carries. It's weird. Could it be that the implementation of permalist carry is not focused on the benefit of said state or society, but it's just a political game? Maybe the Republicans want to carry favor for all the gun advocates. Maybe the Republicans, and this is mostly Republican things that are doing these permanent carries want to carry favor for these gun corporations.00:40:10 Again, I want to say it again. I am not against guns. I'm not with taking people's gun. I'm not with making it harder for people to get guns. I'm not with any of that.00:40:22 I'm not with those people who say, oh yeah, you shouldn't have a gun because even if you want to protect yourself against the government, you wouldn't be able to take them on anyway. I think that's a stupid argument. I'm here to find out what makes sense, what logically makes sense, what helps American society, not what destroys it. Here are some of the solutions I found in reference to at the very least, if we do want to implement a country with permiss carries, some of the things that we should consider moving forward. One implementing in depth firearm classes and training within education.00:41:04 I truly believe that when it comes down to education, that it should be there to educate. And things such as learning how to drive, things such as learning how to do taxes, things that are important for your everyday life moving forward as an American citizen are things that should be taught and that should be mandatory. Even if you never want to carry a gun in your life, at the very least, know about them. Know about this country that you're in and the gun laws that are implemented, and how to at the very least, know the ins and outs of a weapon without touching one. You don't need to touch a gun to be educated about a gun.00:41:51 The firearm classes can even be implemented or coincide with self defense classes. Sure, people are lazy, but certain things that need to be taught to people so we don't have idiots out there using guns. Dumbly, stupidly idiotically. My next solution is that force all states to commit background checks, even in private sales, like Vermont. I said earlier that people that have criminal histories, that are mentally ill can buy guns insured, not at a federal agency.00:42:28 But private sellers can sell them guns and they can walk around with no type of checks, no type of way to ensure that they're not a problematic user of a gun in a consistent basis. So force private sellers to also do background checks, to also make sure that we're not giving guns to terrible people out in society or unfit people out in society. And my last solution is that we should make sure that guns are not allowed in certain areas to ensure if you want to carry a gun when you're walking out and about, sure, fine. But there should be circumstances where you do not need to have your gun on you if you want to really be safe. Maybe we can ensure that security is at these locations.00:43:23 If you are about to walk into a mall, for example, there's no need for you to bring your gun in the mall. So that may be a thing already. But really, establishing this for all permitless carry states is something that should be implemented properly. Really finding the fine line of locations that you should not be having your gun, I don't care even if it's holstered and concealed at any point. So these are my three solutions for a state that has permalist carries to ensure more of a beneficial way to have guns in that American situation in society.00:44:01 Let me know what you guys think about the solutions. Let me know what you think about the episode. Again, if you disagree with anything that was said, feel free to let me know by joining the discord. And I am more than willing to have a civil discussion, maybe even a debate about it in the future. Hope you guys enjoy.00:44:18 Y'all have a good one. Make sure you tune in next Monday at 08:00. A.m., take care and peace.