#27 - How do we fix the Political Discourse in America that's Destroying our Country?

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,760 Welcome to the Purple Political Breakdown. 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,920 The state of American political discourse is pretty bad right now. 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:13,160 Every day, I think our country strays further and further into like a higher likelihood of civil conflict. 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:20,000 Right. Currently, we see a large amount of radicalization from both sides of the aisle right now. 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:25,280 And moderates are actively being phased out and being seen as crazy people. 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:34,560 And it kind of leads to a lot of problems for the people that have the national interest at heart in that of a more central position. 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:43,960 There is you can go on a lot of different routes, whether you want to find a holistic identity to kind of frame your values from like the church, 8 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:54,560 or you want to frame your values from being politically involved in your community to kind of see what is going on and how I can help. 9 00:00:54,560 --> 00:01:02,840 Or like I said, you have at the very least conversations with different types of people to really learn. 10 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,280 Okay, what are you about? 11 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:15,400 You don't have to kind of interview them, but conversing about topics that you may even not feel comfortable about, I believe is extremely, extremely valuable. 12 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,600 Are you enjoying today's podcast episode? 13 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,760 I really hope you do. 14 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:27,840 And I really hope you enjoy the fact that I have an amazing guest talking with me and having this great discussion. 15 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:35,560 If you as an individual personally have your own podcast, and maybe you want to have great guests on your podcast as well. 16 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,800 Well, I got a deal for you. 17 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,720 In my description, there is a link to something called pod match. 18 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:50,520 Make sure to join that link through my affiliate link so you can sign up to get matched up with other podcast hosts and podcast guests. 19 00:01:50,520 --> 00:02:03,120 So you make sure you are never missing an episode without a productive guest to have an amazing conversation with pod match is similar to any other kind of matching site for the most part. 20 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:13,560 And it's super easy you just $6 a month that you can have a guest for each and every podcast episode that is tailored to your specific topic. 21 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:19,520 So again, join the link in my description and join pod match now. 22 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,160 Do you want a great website like this? 23 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:32,840 This is my podcast website where I direct the audience to come to watch the content, listen to the content, read the blogs and much, much more. 24 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:42,440 If you want to have your own customizable podcast website, then join my affiliate link in my description to sign up for something called pod page. 25 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:50,520 And they can help you customize an easy podcast website for your personal podcast. 26 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,960 Sign up to get a discount now. 27 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:58,720 Again, use the link in my description to join pod page now. 28 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,520 Welcome back to the episode. 29 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,320 We are back at it again. 30 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,720 I did say that we plan to do Mondays and Thursdays in due time. 31 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,680 It will eventually happen once we get everything squared away. 32 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:15,360 But another thing I said is that I'm going to bring in co-hosts and you already met Jonathan, of course. 33 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,880 We had a great episode last week or this week, depending on when you're listening to it. 34 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:27,800 And I have another co-host who has also an interesting perspective from whatever aisle that he wants to explain himself from. 35 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,360 And that is Paul. 36 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,320 So, Paul, introduce yourself, my guy. 37 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,480 Hi, my name is Paul. 38 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,560 I'm a private investigator that works in the state of Florida. 39 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,960 I guess like what you want me to give it like the life story. 40 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,480 Give whatever you want to share. 41 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:48,960 Yeah, I'm a member of the Democratic Party and a coordinator for it on my spare time. 42 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,160 And I also work with At-Risk Youth. 43 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,000 I'm a Lutheran in the Lutheran Church of Missouri Senate. 44 00:03:55,040 --> 00:04:01,000 And I guess you could call me a social Democrat. 45 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:02,960 All right. Excellent. Excellent. 46 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:08,280 So as you can see, we have Paul, who falls more on the left in terms of being a Democrat. 47 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:16,400 We have Jonathan, who falls more on the right, being a conservative and myself kind of waning wherever I feel like, depending on the day. 48 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:26,200 So we're going to have a lot of great conversations today, of course, and future conversations as well in different topics that we're discussing. 49 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,960 What you need to know today in terms of current events is that I have been so busy. 50 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,080 I've even been checking what's going on currently. 51 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,360 You guys have any current events you guys want to share? 52 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,000 The sub thing. 53 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:41,800 I don't have much. 54 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:44,000 Oh, I saw the sub thing with the controller. 55 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,280 I saw. Yeah, they got like 34 hours left of air. 56 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,440 All right. That's so crazy controlling it with the controller. 57 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:52,200 That's so crazy. 58 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,480 Yeah, with the PS2 controller, I heard. 59 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,440 Yeah, it was pretty retro. 60 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:57,320 The updated version. 61 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:58,480 Yeah, come on. 62 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,320 Bump it up. Like, seriously, what are we doing right now? 63 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,280 That's something else. That's something else. 64 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,080 I was good. 65 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,480 I was making a joke. 66 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,400 They're going down to the Titanic. 67 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:16,000 Those are the same people that would get caught on Jurassic Park if that ever actually 100 percent at some point. 68 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,840 At some point, they deserve what they have. 69 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,520 Terrible. 70 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,040 Terrible. 71 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:32,640 Other than that, like I said, I haven't been keeping up with much of what's going on. I do know that if you guys want to watch a masterpiece, go watch the new Spider-Man movie. 72 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,640 So go check out that. 73 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:35,400 Of course. 74 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,080 Really good in terms of animation plot. 75 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:38,840 Okay. 76 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,000 But animation. 77 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,800 Amazing. 78 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:42,440 Top tier. 79 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:43,840 Incredible. 80 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,160 DC. 81 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,000 I heard Flash is okay. 82 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,840 We talked about a little bit. 83 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:56,280 Will DC completely kind of ruin themselves and flop or will James Gunn save the franchise? 84 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:57,440 No. 85 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,520 Not happening. 86 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,600 He's going to go for the wrong tone of DC. 87 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:03,680 100 percent. 88 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,640 Matthew Reeve should take over and just make all the DC movies. 89 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,320 He's missing already with the Henry Cavill stuff. 90 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,000 That's already a bad start. 91 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:14,880 Terrible. 92 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:15,600 Nightmare. 93 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:16,560 Wake me up. 94 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:17,200 Come on. 95 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:17,800 Jesus. 96 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:19,320 I feel so bad. 97 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,160 This guy cares so much about his roles and he just like they keep on screwing them over. 98 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,240 I don't understand. 99 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:26,520 That's so excited. 100 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,680 What they were going to do with Martian Manhunter. 101 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,680 I was really looking forward to that, but it's all gone now. 102 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:33,960 All gone. 103 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,800 Yeah, that's so tough. 104 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:37,560 I guess we're going to have to keep up with Marvel. 105 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,200 Marvel is kind of at least they kind of said to themselves, hey, we're doing too much 106 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:43,760 and this stuff is kind of trash. 107 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,280 So let's take a step back. 108 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,760 So I'll give credit to Marvel for that. 109 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:52,360 Hopefully they kind of figure everything out with the name Jonathan Ramos. 110 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,200 Apparently his allegations on him. 111 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:55,200 That's kind of tough. 112 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,080 Really? What happened? 113 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,320 Apparently a girl alleged certain things about him. 114 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,240 You know, the actor for Kang. 115 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:03,840 I heard about him. 116 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:12,560 And it will be so tough if he got proved guilty and the main villain of your second 117 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:17,320 part of your phase or fifth part, whatever, is gone and you have to recast. 118 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:22,000 I mean, hey, Ezra Miller did some sketchy stuff, I guess. 119 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,440 Very true. 120 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:24,720 I don't know. 121 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,360 I guess if you're holding up a franchise, maybe they let you go. 122 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:29,560 Yeah, for real. 123 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,480 A lot like some politicians as well. 124 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,400 You know, exactly. 125 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,960 Well, with that said, Marvel is owned by Disney. 126 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,600 So we'll see. 127 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:39,560 We'll see how it goes. 128 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,640 But all right, let's go into the conversation topic at hand today. 129 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,400 I want to talk about the current state of kind of political discourse, 130 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,000 whether it's political topic, social or cultural. 131 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,560 At the end of the day, I think it's very important. 132 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:59,400 I think this is a good starting episode to really establish all of our mindsets 133 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,600 in regards to this discourse, especially in America. 134 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,400 We can talk global as well in a second. 135 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,680 But we all come from different sections of the aisle. 136 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,240 So I want to get everybody's thoughts. 137 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:15,560 What do you guys think about the current state of political discourse, 138 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,360 more specifically the people and how they interact with politics? 139 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:25,200 We can go to different levels, but I'm just kind of curious to hear your general thoughts. 140 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,680 Thank you, Jonathan, if you want to go first. 141 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:28,760 Sure. 142 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:36,400 So I think one of the biggest issues and I think almost everything comes back to this. 143 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,480 I think our founding fathers touched on this to some extent as well, 144 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,920 is people don't know why they believe what they believe anymore. 145 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:48,840 And so I think it's a quote attributed to Winston Churchill. 146 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,560 If you're not a liberal when you're young, you're heartless. 147 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,480 If you're not a conservative when you're old, you're foolish. 148 00:08:55,520 --> 00:09:01,360 And I don't necessarily agree with that because I'm young and I'm not on the liberal side. 149 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:06,600 And I know older people in my family who died in the World Democrats. 150 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,320 I think what it comes down to is especially for young people, 151 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,320 we find something that hits our fancy and we just kind of go with it. 152 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:21,400 And we don't take time to think through why we necessarily believe in that. 153 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,120 So when it's questioned by anybody, even in a sincere manner, 154 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:26,960 when someone's asking, why do you think this? 155 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:27,960 Why do you vote this way? 156 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,280 Why do you believe that? 157 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:34,880 And we haven't had the time because I would argue we don't even have the cognitive 158 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:40,160 function to think through things in a long term process anymore because of social 159 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,320 media and whatever, that's a whole other topic. 160 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,480 But what it comes down to is people don't know why they believe what they believe. 161 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,880 So when it's challenged, even in good intention, even for purposes of, say, 162 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,880 sitting down to have a podcast with someone from the opposite perspective, 163 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,880 if you don't know why you believe something, you just won't have that topic. 164 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,760 You won't have that conversation. 165 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:07,320 And we get what we see now in the media of both sides of the political aisle just 166 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,280 calling each other names, essentially. 167 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,160 It's like a schoolyard fight. 168 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:17,600 I think the state of American political discourse is pretty bad right now. 169 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:22,880 Every day, I think our country strays further and further into a higher likelihood 170 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,400 of civil conflict, right? 171 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:29,680 Currently, we see a large amount of radicalization from both sides of the aisle 172 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:35,480 right now, and moderates are actively being phased out and being seen as crazy 173 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:41,040 people, and it kind of leads to a lot of problems for the people that have the 174 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:46,400 national interest at heart in that of a more central position. 175 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,040 I kind of have to agree with Jonathan in a way. 176 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,560 I do think that this kind of like old American guys is somewhat gone, right? 177 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,400 One of the biggest issues at hand currently is that the death of the American 178 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,360 community is something that follows us around every single day, right? 179 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,120 People cannot care for an environment for which they don't live in, right? 180 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:10,400 And one that they barely interact with, one that they barely take part in, 181 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,680 one where they actively go to work every day and they show up home and go 182 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,120 immediately to sleep. 183 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,600 They can't engage anymore. 184 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,960 They don't have institutions either be a church or lodge or anything in between. 185 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:23,600 Right. 186 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,600 The Social Center of America has kind of fallen out. 187 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:35,640 And as a result, we kind of start to see this rise in seeking for more answers to 188 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:36,880 the current issues. 189 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:42,240 And the problem is that the status quo that has presided seemingly has kind of 190 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:47,320 unconvinced people, and they're starting to step towards this more radical path. 191 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:52,160 So on my side of the aisle, we have a big issue with communists, right? 192 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,480 We have this big issue with these people that either it could be fifth columns in 193 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:02,720 the Senate of themselves, or they could be people that are just, I guess, more 194 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,200 radical liberals, or democratic socialists, as you would call them. 195 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,560 And then I'm sure even Jonathan can agree here on his line of the aisle, they have 196 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,240 this issue with these fascists slash white nationalists, right? 197 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,840 And then you have towards the center, your Trumpersque types, which are not 198 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,440 necessarily super radical, but I digress, right? 199 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:26,600 The general problem is that people have not cared for this country for the 200 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:27,680 longest time. 201 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:32,600 And now, because they're so suited in their individual interest through this 202 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,720 isolation, they have started pursuing things that might give them more of a 203 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,880 sense of meaning and more of a sense of engagement. 204 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,440 And that's where these radical actors kind of can step forward and say, I can 205 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:44,480 provide this to you. 206 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,000 We see this every single day with a lot of these college kids that go to 207 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:47,840 university. 208 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,080 And we see it every single day with some of these older people that might find 209 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,880 themselves on a Facebook page or something like that and get lured in. 210 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:55,920 So that's my. 211 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,720 I totally agree with that, especially 212 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:05,360 because I'm in college right now and I'm at a pretty liberal college. 213 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,280 And I don't know necessarily where you fall. 214 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:13,840 You seem to suggest, Paul, that the communists were kind of the fringer end. 215 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:19,880 But I know dozens and dozens of my peers at college who would identify 216 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,040 themselves as communists and they don't seem to know their Solzhenitsyn very 217 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,800 well about what happens when you do you get. 218 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,600 I mean, this is something very common that happened in the Soviet Union. 219 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,520 They would portray people who go to church as foolishness and they made their 220 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:38,840 party their church. 221 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,640 And I think that's one of the problems. 222 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:45,080 My Bible has a quote in the Book of Ecclesiastes. 223 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,480 It says God has put eternity in the hearts of man. 224 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,400 I don't want to get explicitly religious with anybody here. 225 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:55,440 But the point is, there's something in the midst of every person that wants to 226 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,000 find an identity that wants to belong somewhere. 227 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,160 I happen to believe personally that that is at church. 228 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,720 But other people will take that instead, put it in a political party. 229 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,200 And there's something inherently, quote unquote, unreasonable about faith because 230 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,920 it's something that is the evidence of things unknown. 231 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,040 Essentially, you can't know faith otherwise. 232 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:14,920 It's not faith. 233 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:19,600 And so people are replacing church and the faith that belongs at church in its 234 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,960 natural right place, and they're replacing it with political parties. 235 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,440 And that's why they can't explain the way that they feel about certain things, 236 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:31,600 which is why when it's challenged, they become very violent and very overly 237 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,760 aggressive, one might say, not necessarily violent. 238 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,480 So you bring up a lot of great things. 239 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,200 And I definitely want to break this up into three categories. 240 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,800 I was thinking about a fourth, but I think the fourth category would have been 241 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:49,600 the workplace, but I don't necessarily think the workplace is a place where a 242 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,600 bunch of ideas need to be said. 243 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,800 I think it's a place for work. 244 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,760 It could be argued, but I'm going to leave it out in terms of this kind of discussion. 245 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,640 So there's three areas I want to focus on in terms of the most important aspects 246 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,320 of social, political or cultural discourse. 247 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:07,280 Doesn't really matter. 248 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:12,800 But whether it's developing the ideas or the ideas being challenged or discussed. 249 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:18,680 And I think obviously that would be at the home, the family, where you grow up. 250 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,440 It could be the community, but very least at the family level. 251 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,920 Second is the educational institutions. 252 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,920 And I think all across the board, I think for the most part, you could probably 253 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,840 even start a middle school, elementary school, probably not, but middle school 254 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,320 all the way to college institutions. 255 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:41,000 I think it's very important spot to really get your ideas developed. 256 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,280 And obviously the third one would be social media, the big one, social media 257 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,840 and all the fun things that happens in terms of political discourse on social media. 258 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:55,720 So to start off, when it comes to the familial level, one great thing that 259 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,240 Jonathan said is that, and I actually was asked about this. 260 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:04,480 Someone asked me to come on their podcast and he brought up the idea is like, 261 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:09,600 all right, America is a place where freedom of religion, 262 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:15,040 but we can all accept the idea that the identity, their religious identity, 263 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:21,480 the Christian identity that America was kind of founded upon, so to speak, is non-existent. 264 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:27,800 So we have no inherent identity as a nation in terms of that religious situation. 265 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,040 So with that said, if we don't have that unified identity, 266 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:39,160 how does the family or how does anybody really create an identity for themselves 267 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,560 to build upon, especially kind of establish their values? 268 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:47,240 Now, I have my own personal answer for that, but I think something important to note here 269 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,120 is not necessarily what would fit for you and your group, 270 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,480 but what would fit for the general populace. 271 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,680 I think sometimes when people go into these conversations, 272 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,640 they think about the people closest to them and they go like, oh, yeah, this works for us. 273 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,560 But like, does it work for them, though? 274 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,160 Does it work for everybody else that's not you or looks like you or celebrates like you? 275 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:13,520 So I'm curious on your thoughts about if we don't have this unifying identity, 276 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:18,680 how do we establish values for our family and the people close to us? 277 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,520 Paul, I'll let you go first on this one. 278 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:21,640 Thank you. 279 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:26,080 So I think that the number one thing that actually could incur some form of identity 280 00:17:26,120 --> 00:17:32,000 in a nation is that through a care for the community at large. 281 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,440 How do we actually incur such a thing like this? 282 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,120 Well, it kind of comes down to a couple of brass tacks. 283 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,360 Conservatives will often tell you something along the lines of we have religious 284 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,640 institutions that can provide answers to those and give them a form of meaning. 285 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,920 And I'm here to say they're absolutely correct. 286 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,840 But I also am here to say that there are other options on the table. 287 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:57,840 To give someone some sort of care or concern and to establish that national identity, 288 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,720 there needs to be an aspect of free time that exists. 289 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:06,680 The problem is that Americans in this country today fall out of grace with their free time. 290 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:11,480 They come home, they lay about because they're so exhausted from the remedial labor 291 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,560 that they go through every single day in this country. 292 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:19,640 And for that, it's very hard to care about your community beyond that of some social 293 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:24,680 media activism or potentially showing up to the school board meeting because you are 294 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,720 so exhausted in terms of your time. 295 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:33,200 Back in the day, we used to have things that would protect our laborers in this 296 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,680 country that could give them more free time to actually go out, get engaged in local 297 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:42,360 politics, go out and get engaged in civil societies, go out and get engaged in the 298 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:47,080 lodges. And now we see that getting wheeled back one step at a time because the middle 299 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:53,880 class in this country is being suffocated to death by the decrepit civil life 300 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,320 dichotomy that exists in this country. 301 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:02,000 You cannot care for a garden when you don't have time to water it. 302 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,360 That is the big problem at hand. 303 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,320 And to have anybody in your family care about it, you need dad at home. 304 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:09,640 You need mom at home. 305 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,000 For anybody in your community to care about it, you need the people that tend to that 306 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,720 community to be a part of it. 307 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:19,120 But you can't have those people there when they're toiling away just to pay the 308 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:26,280 rising rent cost in this country or the rising housing costs or the just 309 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,040 generalized inflationary period that we're in. 310 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,600 You cannot have people do this because they're so afraid of being homeless, being 311 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:35,560 destitute. 312 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:40,440 And I think that is the number one area that we can look at for the local familial 313 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:45,360 level. It requires people to be at home and have the free time to actually engage in 314 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,280 it. And currently in this country, we are not allowing it. 315 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:53,000 And it's the reason why so many people are becoming individualized and not caring, I 316 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:59,160 guess, in this national, I don't want to say that, like patriotic fashion. 317 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,800 Right. And it's a failure of our system. 318 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:03,760 Thank you. 319 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,240 That's very interesting. I do want to touch upon that again. 320 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,680 But what do you think, Jonathan? 321 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,960 So, you know, I would agree with a lot of what he said. 322 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,480 I would obviously the first thing that he said is that us conservative types would 323 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,880 say church. And I do agree. 324 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,720 And I say you should go to church. 325 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:27,080 And it seems to me like so as a conservative, there's something that I 326 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:28,360 desire to conserve. Right. 327 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,320 And if there's nothing to conserve, then I'm not a conservative. 328 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:36,960 And it seems to me that for thousands of years, this thing, the church has given 329 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,840 people hope and hope cannot be overstated. 330 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:47,480 When we're getting back to the whole theme of this podcast about, you know, these 331 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:52,120 the tensions that are in this political discussion, I think one of the big things 332 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,360 is it seems on all sides, people are losing hope. 333 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,080 That only adds level of desperation. 334 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:02,280 And church is something that gives people hope. 335 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,320 And so I think it's worked for thousands of people. 336 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,360 And as you said, different strokes for different folks, people like different things. 337 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,640 And that's great. 338 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,680 There's lots of options when it comes to church. 339 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,840 You know, me and Paul were talking before the podcast. 340 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,080 We're a little bit different on the denominational side. 341 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,240 I have other family members that are different on the denominational side. 342 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,600 And there's different interpretations of the Bible. 343 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,080 It doesn't make it inaccurate. 344 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:29,800 It makes it actually more accurate because, you know, I can probably attest 345 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,840 this as a private investigator, as you said, when you're interviewing witnesses, 346 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,680 if everybody tells the exact same story for Betum, that actually means it's less 347 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,040 accurate because they're all misremembering together. 348 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:42,800 Correct. 349 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:48,080 So, yeah, all the different denominations, I think, actually attest to the accuracy of the Bible. 350 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:51,840 And I think as I talked about on the last podcast, we should searching at we should 351 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,400 be searching after truth because truth gives hope. 352 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:59,640 Truth gives gives this united sense of fulfillment when you're searching for the 353 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,120 truth and actually living in the truth together. 354 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,760 So I think one of the ways that we can get this thing together is if we're 355 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,120 actually dwelling and focusing on the truth. 356 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:14,800 That said, one of the other things that I think Paul said that was a fantastic point 357 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,920 is you got to you got to be able to serve. 358 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:22,720 And I think where me and Paul would disagree a little bit and this could be an age thing. 359 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,800 It could be just a locations thing. 360 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,600 Most of the people in my sphere actually have plenty of time. 361 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,760 What they do is they waste it on things like social media. 362 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:32,840 Like I know. 363 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,160 So for my age group around the 20s, 364 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:43,040 the average teenager and now it's actually a couple of years hence and it's getting worse. 365 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,280 We spend about four to seven hours a day on our cell phones. 366 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,120 And we could be doing other things, right? 367 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:55,440 We could be sitting in the passenger car, sitting at a restaurant, all these different things. 368 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:01,040 Regardless, we spend about approximately three of those seven hours specifically on 369 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:07,280 social media, and you could be finding other ways to be giving back to community. 370 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,360 You could be finding other ways to serve. 371 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,120 You can take that time, which totals to about five years at the end of your life. 372 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,240 If not more thing on how you're spending that time and how much if you're above or below. 373 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,880 The average is different, but we spend years of our lives looking at our phones. 374 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,760 That doesn't even count like TV. 375 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,640 If you watch TV on the side of that as well. 376 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:33,240 And there is something to be said, I think, for the fact that we have to work more now. 377 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:39,560 I mean, we used to see people being able to live off of one person's income. 378 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,960 Now for a family, it almost totally requires two incomes. 379 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,640 I think regardless of that, people find time to get on their phone. 380 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,720 They can find time to serve the community. 381 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:52,960 We're supposed to serve first. 382 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:58,000 When you serve, you find meaning because you're actually taking the focus off of you, 383 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,200 which is actually a good thing in a lot of ways. 384 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,040 Can I say something really quick? 385 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:08,200 Well, before you say something, because I had a question for you and what John said 386 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,240 actually ties into the question at hand. 387 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,280 So you said something very interesting in referencing time. 388 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,040 And we talked extensively in referencing 389 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:24,840 people not having enough time to kind of serve their community, 390 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:31,280 to go to their local communities to talk or advocate for any type of political action 391 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,360 or political law or whatever. 392 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,120 One thing that I said personally, and I kind of agree with Jonathan here, 393 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:44,840 is that I said you could argue that it is potentially damaging all the free time 394 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,960 people are having. 395 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,160 Now, the distinction that is being made here, which I thought why I thought you 396 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:55,240 think what you said was so interesting is that there's a distinction between the youth 397 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,680 having an extraordinary amount of time actually after school or whatever, 398 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,560 especially if they're not participating in some sports or clubs 399 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:10,640 and just have either their social media or video games or their own thoughts. 400 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,960 And I think something that you could argue could be very damaging is when they have 401 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,440 these thoughts and they have no one to challenge these thoughts and they can go 402 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,680 in a potential dangerous road or dangerous type of mindset. 403 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,360 But the distinction that you made here is that those people who are obviously not 404 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:33,520 the youth, the working class, the older individuals don't have that same amount 405 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,680 of time, which is very true. 406 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,680 Those people are spending all their time working. 407 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,920 Those people are spending all their time doing whatever it needs for their family 408 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,520 or to kind of prosper. 409 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,240 And there's different levels. 410 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:52,120 If you're poor, you want to make sure that they're even eating or drinking water. 411 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,040 If you're middle class, you want to make sure they keep up that middle class 412 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,760 standard, if you're rich, you want to make sure they keep up their rich class standard. 413 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,080 It's all relative. 414 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:03,320 You can argue they shouldn't think that way, but it is relative. 415 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:08,160 Right. So my question here is that. 416 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,000 In the. 417 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,560 I talk so much that I almost forgot my question. 418 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:13,880 Hold up. 419 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:20,000 And in the situation where, OK, I remember in the situation where these people have 420 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,400 all their time taken away, 421 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,920 is it is especially when you compare it to other communities, is it better or worse? 422 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:34,960 The fact that they are kind of have all their time taken away and kind of fed an 423 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,200 identity to believe in America doesn't have that. 424 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,160 But you may argue another country where they have a 425 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:47,200 solid identity, you may bring up some European country, maybe or Scandinavian country. 426 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,240 They work all day, but they have a solid identity to go to. 427 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:56,040 Is that better than our situation where we don't have a solid identity, where 428 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,400 you're just as busy or if you're not as busy, still not having that solid identity 429 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,400 and just question everything to the point of insanity? 430 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,640 What do you think about that? 431 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,400 It's the crop for us to harvest, right? 432 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,240 It's for us to grow ourselves. 433 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:14,360 It's for us to create ourselves and to determine for what we 434 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,360 want it to be, right? 435 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,720 The biggest problem 436 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:26,640 of colonial countries, for example, they run into these risks of where you have 437 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,000 these norms established by that of like a powerful status quo. 438 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,680 And then when actively challenged, 439 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:39,000 that system fails to justify itself to its people and can result in a form of 440 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,360 state decline, right? 441 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,280 One of the biggest things I learned in school was the lesson of newer nations 442 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,000 in which the countries like Egypt, of like Nasser or Libya underneath, 443 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,320 Gaddafi all had the same type of things with them, right? 444 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,520 Which is they had these presuppositions 445 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,280 within their state that they created through the political elite that existed 446 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,920 there, and that alone caused so many problems for them. 447 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:08,720 And it could not speak in an area of ideas of many different peoples that existed 448 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,080 in that country for us in our country. 449 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,760 It was built by the people that came to this country. 450 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,760 It was built by the founding fathers, 451 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,600 and it was built by every single contributing member of society today. 452 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,520 The reason why it's going all down the shitter is simply because that, like I 453 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,360 said earlier, people are not having the ability to actually engage anymore. 454 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,560 And one of the things I want to say earlier, right? 455 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,160 It definitely is, I think, an age thing, Jonathan. 456 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,680 You and I probably both know this. 457 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,680 I assume you're like into history as well. 458 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,960 Young people don't get into politics, and when they do, it's only radical, 459 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,640 like radical groups and stuff like that, right? 460 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,080 You have the hippies from the 70s and they're just fucking bums, right? 461 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,200 A part of the French. 462 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,760 But like the reality is, is that the people that build this country day in and day out 463 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,080 are 30 to 50 year olds and actively contribute to it, right? 464 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,120 You have your voting base and the elderly, of course. 465 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,000 But it's people like us that actually get the job done, right? 466 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:06,280 And it's just so hard to actually do it, let alone even have a family anymore. 467 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:06,880 Right. 468 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:12,000 It's hard to actually have like a kid to come home to because you can't even fucking afford him. 469 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:12,560 Right. 470 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,920 It's like it is if like we're not incentivizing it anymore or something 471 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,200 because that we let these companies just like straddle our lives like we're the fucking horse. 472 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:20,760 Right. 473 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,920 So it's just very frustrating every single day to see people that I know, 474 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,080 you know, get paid little under $40,000 a year, right? 475 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:35,000 Because they didn't have the opportunity to go to school and they are they barely can 476 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,760 support their kid, they turn to alcohol, they turn to drugs, they turn to a wide variety 477 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:45,640 of other areas and they just become absolute monsters because of that inability of our 478 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:51,240 government and the inability of our society to regulate these larger companies, 479 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:56,120 rather even just like generalized companies to actually regulate the pay and the labor 480 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,440 that these people have to work. 481 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,120 Right. 482 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,960 Back in the day, if I talked to someone like my grandpa, for example, 483 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,880 he would have a pension when he retired. 484 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,800 He would have significantly more vacation days. 485 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:13,200 He would have more days off within a schedule and he would have more PTO. 486 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:13,760 Right. 487 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,480 That is something of the past now. 488 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,040 Right. 489 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,880 And there's no labor regulation that's come into power in this country to actually 490 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:20,680 counteract that. 491 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,320 Thank you. 492 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,520 Yeah. 493 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:25,560 I mean, no problem. 494 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:31,800 The interesting part about this that both Paul and Jonathan indicated for the family 495 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:39,240 values is one important thing is really spending your time, spending your labor in 496 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,800 impacting the community, gaining perspective on what is actually going on, having that 497 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,000 time to do so. 498 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,840 And I've made the argument before that in order for you to establish proper values in 499 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,920 the first place is you need that type of experience. 500 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,520 You need that type of perspective. 501 00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,000 You need to be involved and experience enough things for you to have a wide and 502 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,080 encompassing mindset, in my personal opinion. 503 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:09,360 And what Jonathan indicated from my understanding is obviously a lot of values 504 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,440 can be found from the church. 505 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,960 A lot of values can be found from finding the truth that you're referencing. 506 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,520 So to kind of play devil's advocate. 507 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,240 Well, first for you, Jonathan, for the people who are atheists who really don't 508 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,760 want to believe in religion, whether or not it's something personal or they just 509 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:34,240 really don't want to waste time in religious activities, how do they establish 510 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,720 their values in comparison? 511 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,600 So I would say as our Lord said, serve first, right? 512 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,960 And he specifically says, serve first the kingdom of God for all blessings and 513 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,800 righteousness we've found unto you. 514 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:54,520 But that is one of these things that can, I think, be generally applied similar to 515 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,720 what Paul was saying, is finding that time to serving your community. 516 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,000 That's how you derive these values. 517 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,480 You have to serve other people. 518 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,400 And when you serve other people, it's actually it's kind of almost a selfish 519 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,120 act to serve other people. 520 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,920 Because what you have to keep in mind is you don't just serve to know and to try 521 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,200 to seek something bad. 522 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,320 You serve people selflessly. 523 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:26,120 And when you serve people selflessly, which is not expecting something in 524 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,560 return, you actually get such a level of satisfaction. 525 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,040 And from that, you can derive these sense of values. 526 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:38,520 You can appreciate where you live when you're serving to restore your community. 527 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:44,240 One of the things that I did several times is my church would organize these 528 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,080 missions to local communities. 529 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,760 And so we would paint fences. 530 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,000 We would pick up trash in the streets. 531 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:59,120 We would barbecue every night and just give a good way to people. 532 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:04,600 One of the ways that we as America got lost is we delegated that task away from 533 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,000 the church and to the state. 534 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,720 And I think that's something that rightfully belonged to the church. 535 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,440 And I think churches should get back to that. 536 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,280 And I think people in churches should push to give that back. 537 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,480 That is a role that I don't think was ever supposed to be adopted by the state. 538 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,680 But it's those sorts of things that the state now does. 539 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:27,600 And if you're one of these people who don't want to go to church, and you know, 540 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,360 I think a lot of times that's a justified feeling these days because I could go, 541 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,520 I could do a 10 hour long podcast on the state of the church and how it's not 542 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,960 doing what it's supposed to be doing. 543 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:40,920 Doesn't mean it's wrong. 544 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,560 It just means it's ran by people and people are flawed. 545 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,560 So any institution run by man is flawed because man himself is flawed. 546 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,960 But there's justifiable reasons on why not wanting to go to church. 547 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,160 I think you should go to church, obviously. 548 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:59,120 But regardless, there are these community missions that are now done by local 549 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:05,000 governments, by even federal institutions that you can take a part of to help 550 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,800 rebuild your community is when you serve something, you come to appreciate it. 551 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,560 I don't think love is quite the right word there, but you come to appreciate it. 552 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:19,680 And instead we have students who are taught to hate America because they believe 553 00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:25,080 America is inherently evil place, and that's not going to be good for our public 554 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,800 identity to grow together and to grow more mature. 555 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,320 Instead, you should find your local institutions. 556 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,200 You should find your local governments and you should seek to serve those 557 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:41,920 communities and learn to appreciate where you're living because we live in one of 558 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,320 the most amazing nations, most amazing places on the planet. 559 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,520 And I can attest because I've been to many different places. 560 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:51,320 All right. 561 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:56,680 So with that said, my whole my devil's advocate point for you is. 562 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:04,160 The understanding that the workers or laborers should be treated better, I think, 563 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:09,400 is a lot of people can agree with that sentiment, but in order to kind of change 564 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,760 the system, that's going to be a long and arduous process, obviously, whether it's 565 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:24,320 campaigning for specific labor laws or I forget the word, but your petition against 566 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,600 your workplace to do certain things. 567 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,840 I'm blanking on what word that is, but 568 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,200 striking or I think there's another word unionization unionize. 569 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:36,800 There you go. There you go. Paul knew it. 570 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:43,040 So so in those situations, those can be a long process, obviously. 571 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:48,440 So with that said, in the midst of said process that should be working on and we 572 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:53,680 will have plenty of conversations on how you do that in the midst of that, how do 573 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,320 these families establish their values if they're not religious, if they 574 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:04,320 let's say even if they don't want to get it from their different two parties, the 575 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,880 two political ideologies, how would you say the best way for them to form the 576 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,000 proper values for their family and their kids? 577 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,200 Sure. So I wasn't and forgive me. 578 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,160 I will answer that first and then you can answer, Jonathan. 579 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:26,000 Yeah. So I think that there's like a little like a bit of like a presupposition here. 580 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,800 I'm not one to say like a perfect way of life for which these families like find. 581 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,800 Right. I think this is up to them. 582 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,120 But that the largest thing that actually dictates someone's view of the world is 583 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,560 through the lived experience that they encounter themselves. 584 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:45,440 All right. Either that of abject poverty, backbreaking work in the middle class or 585 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,760 maybe that of decadence and the upper classes of our society. 586 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,720 Right. These are all the things that actively illustrate our lives. 587 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,360 Faith is a thing that plays a big part in it. 588 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:01,600 Right. Some of us might have extra things that build upon the fundamentals by which 589 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,760 we act. Right. Jonathan and I are probably two people that have these things in our 590 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,440 lives that dictate them or act as like truths for us. 591 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,160 But for others that don't have these things, the number one thing I can simply say is 592 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,680 it does come down to politics. 593 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,360 Right. The institutions that preside over you and taking control of them through your 594 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:26,480 interest alone is something that ought to be done if you do not have these things out 595 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,560 there. You can have social support groups, of course. 596 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,800 You can have like your community that's there. 597 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,400 But at the end of the day, if you want to make your life better, it comes through you 598 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,920 voicing your interest to your party. 599 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:41,360 Right. For me, my answer simply would be obviously as a Democrat to rid the Republicans 600 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,400 away legislatively. 601 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,120 Right. Like to like win in all the elections as we can. 602 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,280 Right. To get out there and beat them back every single day. 603 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,520 Take over the South as soon as possible and get the job done. 604 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:59,840 Right. But if, for example, if you're like from a conservative atheist family, then go 605 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,680 ahead with the elephant and get out there and get it with the GOP and get what you need 606 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:04,400 to be done. 607 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,200 I'm not someone that can really tell you how you find these systems or anything like that. 608 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,600 Right. Because I have my own lived experience and I can't really relate to anybody else's 609 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:14,480 in that regard. 610 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,440 Right. But what I can tell you is that if you want to shape your destiny, it comes down 611 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,440 to the institutions that preside over you and you taking them and controlling them the 612 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,440 way you want through your vote and your voice. 613 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,640 All right. Don, you said you wanted to say something. 614 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:34,000 So I was actually I agree with Paul to a certain extent on that. 615 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:40,160 If you don't have church, then your only option is politics because what else is going to 616 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,560 give you a system of values? 617 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,560 There is nothing. 618 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:50,080 There's a lot of people, especially on my side of the aisle as conservative, but particularly 619 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:50,880 Christian. 620 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,520 And we could I don't want to continue to bring it back to this because this is a primarily 621 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,320 political show. 622 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,320 But I think to some extent, you can't separate these two issues of religion and politics 623 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,280 because they're so systematically similar that they're bound to lap over. 624 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:11,360 But an argument can be made that it is this religious aspect of life that gives people 625 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,600 values in the first place. 626 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,680 So if you're not going to get it from church and you're not going to get it from politics, 627 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:23,680 the most similar thing in church just by nature, where are you going to derive that from? 628 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,200 And Paul mentioned these things lived experiences. 629 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:35,200 And I don't give a whole lot of credit or credence to lived experience because it requires 630 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,640 a phrase like that. 631 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:43,120 And Paul might be able to correct my interpretation, but it requires an interpretation of phenomenon. 632 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:48,400 And Friedrich Nietzsche, one of the great philosophers of previous ages, said there's 633 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:54,400 no such thing as moral phenomena, only moral interpretations of phenomena. 634 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,240 And I don't think that's true. 635 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,800 Fundamentally, I believe there are more phenomena. 636 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:04,320 Everything is coded as, you know, there's a little bit of gray in there, but a good 637 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,680 thing or a bad thing. 638 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,480 And to say that you can have a lived experience that says good things can be bad things and 639 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,160 bad things can be good things, it all depends on where you start and where you want to go. 640 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:19,120 I don't think that's true because there are more than moral interpretations of phenomena. 641 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,920 There are actually more phenomena that we witness and we see and we can feel. 642 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:30,640 And I think a lot of times our our senses of perception as humans are fallible because 643 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:35,440 we're fallible creatures, which is why so many people throughout history have relied 644 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,280 on things like the church and things like the teachings of the Bible. 645 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,080 To help them with that, because we're fallible creatures that make mistakes often. 646 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,880 I am far from a perfect creature. 647 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,560 Very flawed, very flawed. 648 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,880 And therefore, because I am flawed, my interpretations of events can be flawed. 649 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,520 I respond to that. 650 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:56,880 Yeah, go for it. 651 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:02,720 So I think that, like, I think obviously your notion of this is like incorrect, right? 652 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:07,600 I believe like concretely that the way we interpret things throughout the world is 653 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,200 that the way we interpret things throughout the world, right, if you do not have like 654 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,920 a faith based value set behind you, right, where we like believe all this is like through 655 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:21,200 God's creation and existence is something that then we just do through discovery, either 656 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,160 through the sciences, through our philosophies in which we try to explain the world itself. 657 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:26,880 Right. 658 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,920 And I think that whether or not you believe it's right, what it is, is it's something 659 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,560 that exists amongst people that actually are there. 660 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:34,800 Right. 661 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,840 I'm speaking in the literal term of how people actually find the world for themselves and 662 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,200 how they shape their ideologies or their value sets. 663 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:43,680 Right. 664 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,720 For example, you know, if you're like beaten poor, you're probably going to have more of 665 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,520 a likelihood to have a negative disposition towards the police. 666 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:52,080 Right. 667 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,160 If you live in like an urban environment or something like that, if you're someone that 668 00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,160 grows up in like a suburban community that has active community engagement like mine, 669 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,720 you believe that that's something that's really great to have. 670 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:06,880 But if you live in like some more urban environment where that might not be necessarily the case, 671 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,400 everyone's bustling the work every single day, then it might not be a number one concern. 672 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,520 So that's what I meant by that. 673 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:11,840 Right. 674 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,680 Like if there's like any confusion on that, that's why I'm calling it incorrect. 675 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,040 Sure. 676 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:22,640 But so my point, I'm sorry, Riddell, can I I don't want to derail your podcast here. 677 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,880 I mean, I called you all co-hosts, so you're not really derailing anything. 678 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,160 So go for it. 679 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:33,360 So I totally understand where you're coming from, but this is my thing. 680 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:33,680 Right. 681 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,080 So you brought up specifically police. 682 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:36,320 Right. 683 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:41,680 And if you're poor and broke in an urban city, you might perceive police as a bad thing. 684 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:42,960 Is that is that correct? 685 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:43,680 Yeah, correct. 686 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:44,240 Yeah. 687 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:48,880 And then if you're in a suburban area, you might perceive the police as a good thing. 688 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:49,280 Correct. 689 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,200 But police are either good things or bad things. 690 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:51,440 Right. 691 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,880 There's bad police in good areas and there's good police in bad areas. 692 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:55,360 Right. 693 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,440 But as a whole, we have decided that we want this thing called police 694 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,160 to uphold the laws of our nations. 695 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:09,040 And if you are in a poor and broke and crime ridden area, you might perceive the police as bad. 696 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,720 But that's because there's a bunch of crimes being committed and you're possibly 697 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:14,400 one of the people that is committing the crime. 698 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:14,480 Correct. 699 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,520 So of course you're not going to like the police there. 700 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:23,600 That doesn't mean that my lived experience as a poor, broke person is inherently correct 701 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,360 because I am pursuing it. 702 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,680 It could mean that I have a flawed perception. 703 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,480 OK, yeah, yeah. 704 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,920 I see where the issue is here. 705 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:30,080 Right. 706 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,480 I'm not talking about things that are realities or I'm not talking about things that are truths. 707 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:34,720 Right. 708 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:36,880 I think that's like the fundamental misunderstanding here. 709 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,200 I'm talking about by which people actually construct their own realities before them 710 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,560 and how they perceive the world. 711 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,040 Right. 712 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,800 Comes through a lived experience. 713 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,040 Now, if someone was to tell me like their anecdote on life and how that's a proof, 714 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,960 I would obviously just blow them away. 715 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:51,600 Right. 716 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:52,320 Beautiful. 717 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,400 Yeah, there's no fucking reason to care about that. 718 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,640 I can tell you as a liberal who resides amongst my liberal colleagues, there's nothing that 719 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,640 grinds my gears more than people that try to step in with their own personal stories 720 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,600 and tell me about how that trumps the facts on the issue. 721 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:06,080 Right. 722 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,440 These people are scum and they're, if anything, thugs. 723 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,000 Right. 724 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,680 And they're not worth having around. 725 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,520 So that's something you want to agree with me on. 726 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:14,800 I 100% can. 727 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:15,360 Right. 728 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:20,720 But the thing that should be mentioned is that for a lot of people that might not have 729 00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:24,160 faith or anything like that, they have to construct it themselves either through the 730 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:29,120 researches of like philosophies or through like just the generalized lived experience 731 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,600 if they don't have the time to read the books or they don't want to read the books. 732 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:32,080 Right. 733 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,960 These are things that they just like find out themselves and these are the things that 734 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,280 they construct for them and the ideologies that will follow suit. 735 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:37,840 Right. 736 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,200 There are some poor people that become rich and they become conservative because they 737 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,560 put in the hard work to do it and they don't like the handouts because that they didn't 738 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:45,520 need one themselves. 739 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:45,920 Right. 740 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,840 But then there are poor people that got the handouts and then got up on top and they believe 741 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:50,960 in those things to be true. 742 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:51,200 Right. 743 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,080 That's all I'm talking about. 744 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,680 By no means am I saying an anecdote is a truth. 745 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:55,920 Right. 746 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,200 I want to make that very, very clear. 747 00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:58,320 Yeah. 748 00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:58,560 Yeah. 749 00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:59,920 That's a very important distinction. 750 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,760 A lot of very interesting things were said over here. 751 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:11,520 And one thing from my perspective, I definitely follow in line with the idea that experience 752 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,920 and gaining these different perspectives are extremely valuable. 753 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,920 I do think that you could definitely gain a lot of identity and a lot of values from 754 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,320 politics or from religion, of course. 755 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,960 But I think for the most part, in order to truly kind of develop a system that is the 756 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,600 most kind of efficient for yourself, you've got to kind of gain a different gauge on how 757 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,560 different values kind of incorporate with your own belief system. 758 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:42,000 And my thing is, especially for people, like you guys said, a lot of different types of 759 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,560 people and their different situations and how they perceive different phenomenon, like 760 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:51,280 you mentioned earlier, whether it's a guy who's poor, who hates the police or someone 761 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,720 in the suburbs who love the police from said guy who may try to break into their house. 762 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:05,520 And I think in order for a person to truly understand the scope on why someone, for example, 763 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:10,720 likes the police, they will have to kind of enter those different spaces to kind of learn 764 00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:16,400 the different perspectives on what makes this good versus what makes this bad. 765 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:21,600 So my personal belief is in order to do that, you have to really, you know, obviously you 766 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,080 can't, OK, I want to be suburban now. 767 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:30,080 I want to live in a suburban area to to to figure out what it means to be have a suburban 768 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:30,640 value. 769 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,120 Obviously, that's not realistic. 770 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:38,400 Sure, you could do your own research, read books, watch videos, listen to podcasts. 771 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:46,320 But I think the very important thing here is the interaction, the involvement, the conversations 772 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:52,000 you have as an individual to another person that falls in a different line, different 773 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:58,400 spectrum or different way of life, which is why when we're having this conversation about 774 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:06,560 political discourse, one important or not good thing that people need to realize that is 775 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:12,480 kind of falling away is the aspect of not only less involvement in your communities, 776 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:18,000 but less willingness to have discussions or conversations with different aspects of 777 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:24,080 different ideologies, because, oh, well, you may be influenced by the radicals thinking 778 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,160 if I talk to this person, that means I'm, et cetera, et cetera, whatever label you want 779 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:28,960 to throw in there. 780 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:35,680 So there's you can go in a lot of different routes, whether you want to follow a certain 781 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:41,760 you want to find a holistic identity to kind of frame your values from like the church, 782 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:48,560 or you want to frame your values from being politically involved in your community to 783 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,000 kind of see what is going on and how I can help. 784 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:59,120 Or like I said, you have at the very least conversations with different types of people 785 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,680 to really learn, OK, what are you about? 786 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:06,720 You don't have to kind of interview them, but conversing about topics that you may even 787 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:13,200 not feel comfortable about, I believe is extremely, extremely valuable. 788 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:18,400 So that's where I come from in terms of establishing said values. 789 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,280 And I think all these solutions are very valuable. 790 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,520 What is why I try to break down like the devil's advocate point, because sometimes 791 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:28,240 I know this for a fact, actually. 792 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:32,640 Sometimes when people hear, oh, that doesn't apply to me because that so I'm not going 793 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,000 to hear his advice. 794 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,120 So you really got to break it down. 795 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,280 It's like, hey, no, think about a little bit more. 796 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,640 This is what I'm talking about. 797 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:43,760 And you could definitely enter this space if you do one of the things that we mentioned 798 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,480 today. 799 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,320 If I might just go for it, go for it right off that point. 800 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:54,320 I think a lot of people are have a flawed understanding of how well they understand 801 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:54,800 themselves. 802 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:56,000 I think. 803 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,360 And this is what you were saying. 804 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,640 You know, oh, that doesn't apply to me because of X, Y, Z. 805 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,040 But have you really sat down and thought about it? 806 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:08,080 Have you really sat down and like tried to understand yourself very well? 807 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,800 This is something that a lot of people think they know themselves, but they really don't. 808 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,560 We really don't know ourselves very well. 809 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,520 We don't actually, especially now with the advent of podcasts, audiobooks, music for 810 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,720 streaming, we don't actually spend a lot of time with ourselves anymore. 811 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:26,960 It's always listening to some form of media of some kind or other. 812 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,760 We don't really know ourselves very well, so we don't really take the time to think 813 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:32,560 these things out. 814 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,520 That's all I want to say. 815 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,360 Well, I don't know. 816 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:44,720 Like I feel like the for example, there's this like notion of exposure that can like 817 00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:49,840 drive someone to change their mind, maybe even like the realm of debate, free marketplace 818 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,720 of ideas. 819 00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:51,280 Right. 820 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,960 The reality is, is that the majority of Americans are entrenched in their beliefs already. 821 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:55,680 Right. 822 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,840 And to change them through argument is something that takes significant amounts of time, 823 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,400 almost a mentorship politically, right. 824 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,080 Between one individual and the next. 825 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:04,320 Right. 826 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,400 The best way to really fundamentally change someone's ideology isn't really through 827 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,280 exposure. 828 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,200 It's through politicking, right. 829 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,680 Through parties that actively convince masses to actually get on board with a specific 830 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:15,920 issue. 831 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,640 But maybe personally, right. 832 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,040 Like if Jonathan and I were like having a beer together or something like that, then 833 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,280 he and I could talk about it day in and day out. 834 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:25,600 Right. 835 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,000 Or we could talk to a layman at the bar or whatever. 836 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:28,800 All right. 837 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:36,320 But generally, I just want to be clear just in case, you know, yeah, go ahead. 838 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,520 You may misinterpret it at the very least where I'm coming from. 839 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:44,080 I have no interest in the idea of people need to change other people's minds. 840 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:53,440 But my my the important aspect here for me is like the widen widening of the perspective 841 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,400 and understanding on where someone else is coming from. 842 00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:01,520 I think that's inherently more valuable by widening your perspective, taking account 843 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,280 that, OK, I'll consider it. 844 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,760 I may not believe what you're saying, but now I understand what you're saying. 845 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,520 That's kind of where I'm coming from. 846 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:09,920 Yeah. 847 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,160 I mean, they say I forget exactly who said it. 848 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:17,360 One of you might be able to tell me, but the mark of a true intelligent person, 849 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,280 the ability to entertain an idea without accepting it. 850 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,120 And I think that's what you're trying to say, Rodel. 851 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:29,280 And that's what I was trying to say as well, is we we are, like Paul said, so entrenched 852 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:34,960 in our ideas that we don't even take the time to think about why do I think this? 853 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,280 I think it's because we don't spend a lot of time asking ourselves why we think something 854 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,760 because we don't know why we're trying to add on to what Rodel said and that I'm not 855 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,280 particularly interested either in trying to convince someone one way or another. 856 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,560 I just want you to not be like captured by ideology. 857 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:56,960 Yeah. And I do think what you just said, Paul, in terms of not having a lot of free time, 858 00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:03,600 is, you know, a very important point to make because these people who are not inherently 859 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:11,920 entrenched in a specific ideology because they don't have time to even listen or consume 860 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:17,200 other different types of information, those people are the perfect people to have 861 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,920 conversations with other people in the little amount of free time they have by actually 862 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:27,440 gaining experience and gaining perspective. The other people who are entrenched because 863 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,800 they have all this free time or because they are super endowed in terms of whether their 864 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:39,920 faith or their culture or whatever it is, those people obviously probably won't change their 865 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:46,480 mind. But I do think them getting more perspective is is good, too, especially to the people 866 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:52,560 them at the very least informing other people that kind of fall in either that middle or 867 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,560 that center, right, center left. She's like, oh, this is where I'm coming from. 868 00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:01,280 Then we help them inform. OK, let me let me think about things a little bit more deeply. 869 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,880 Yeah, I definitely think that like we kind of run into a problem a lot of times in terms of like 870 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:12,800 how we like understand each other. But I will say, you know, looking back in the day, one of the big 871 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:18,880 things that was kind of like a general prospect was just not to talk about it at all. Right. 872 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:25,040 Like, for example, I'm sure we all remember or we've talked to our moms and dads and they said, 873 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,600 oh, you know, you never asked who someone voted for. Right. Maybe that was like probably during 874 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,600 the Obama administration when I heard that today. That's not the case at all anymore. 875 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,640 Right. People are all in to talk. First date question. 876 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:41,840 Yeah, exactly. It's like it's crazy. It's like we've completely digressed from it. Right. 877 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:47,920 This entrenchment has gone so crazy, in fact, that it is, you know, tearing families apart. 878 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:54,480 I have a neighbor down the street, I swear to God, big DNC lady. And when she found out that my 879 00:53:54,480 --> 00:54:01,920 family was conservative, she stopped talking to us. Yeah. And by the way, by the way, by the way, 880 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:06,880 I'm a huge liberal. Right. Like I'm like a social democrat at heart. And because of guilt by 881 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:14,880 association. Right. I was cut off. It's like absolutely unreal. And similarly, I have peers 882 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:20,960 that have conservative families who can't show up to Thanksgiving or Christmas anymore because of 883 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:26,560 their views or involvement in parties. Right. I think this all just kind of comes down to and 884 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:31,920 disregard in terms of how people are so violent with their beliefs is because it's all people 885 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:38,160 might have that they feel as of worth. Right. This is like the most relevant thing in their lives 886 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:43,440 nowadays. Right. And yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry. I don't want to interrupt you, Paul. Oh, yeah. 887 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:49,040 It's just the most significant thing that's going on. Right. And it really sucks because before, 888 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,560 you know, obviously, I'm not going to talk politically here because the notion of like 889 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,480 working together through bipartisanship, I think is a joke. Right. Like I think this is like 890 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,240 something that's never necessarily existed politically in this country unless it's like 891 00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:06,480 on war or something like that. And bleeding heart liberals will tell you every night, night and day 892 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:11,760 that that used to be the good old days. They're fucking liars. Right. But that being said, 893 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:19,040 societally, there was this bipartisanship that was going on. And it is gone now. It is like I'm not 894 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:24,560 even say it's going away. It is actually gone. The amount of peers I have that are so entrenched by 895 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:31,280 politics on their, you know, like hourly consumption of it. Right. Because they don't have much time to 896 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,440 actually consume it. So on the free time in bed, they might watch it. Right. The views they get 897 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:41,760 from it. And then the brashness and negativity they espouse to their loved ones is just absolutely 898 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:47,840 unreal. Go ahead, John. So I'm just going to share a little bit of an anecdote on why I think it's 899 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:54,000 important that we have something that unites us beyond politics. Because I think, like you said, 900 00:55:54,000 --> 00:56:03,200 the bipartisanship tendencies or belief in that, I think it is a joke. I don't think it's really 901 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:11,040 feasible. I think third parties are feasible. And I think the bipartisan nature of our politics is 902 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:21,680 it's to some extent flawed. But so my family very, was very anti vaccine when the vaccine was coming 903 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:27,200 out. And I don't want to say I don't want to talk about the vaccines of that very hot topic. I don't 904 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:37,600 want to go be pro or against it. But so obviously my family is Christian and my dad was down in 905 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:46,400 Peru where the vaccine was this salvation for them because they were dying on mass. Same thing 906 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:53,680 in Guatemala when I went there. And so this thing was seen as a very beneficial thing. People were 907 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:59,280 hoping and praying. The Christian church that we have down there was hoping and praying that God 908 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:04,000 would bring them the vaccine. And the atheists that they might say, well, why are they praying 909 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,880 to God for a vaccine? That's foolish. God doesn't exist. Not quite the point of the story. The point 910 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,680 of the story is when my dad was talking to the pastor of that church about the vaccine and why 911 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,120 he doesn't think you should get it, the pastor looked at him square in the face and said, yeah, 912 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:22,880 but you're not, you're more of an American than you are a Christian. And that like shook my dad's, 913 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:30,080 like blew his mind. Cause yeah, right there. Yeah. Right. Boom. Roasted fool. But I mean, my, 914 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:36,640 my grandpa is the person who founded the church that we go to. And so to be told that like, 915 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:41,680 like when we were talking about like politicking and convincing people to become Democrat or liberal, 916 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:46,800 I'm or Democrat or conservative rather, I'm not particularly interested in that because I identify 917 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:52,160 myself first as a Christian first and foremost. And that delineates all the other areas of my life. 918 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:57,120 So for my, and same thing for my dad. So to be told that you are more of an American than a Christian 919 00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:02,400 is like a fundamental chiseling down to the core of how he perceived himself. And so he came back 920 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:08,080 and told this story and we're like, well, why are we like this? And it caused a lot of people in my 921 00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:14,080 family, my immediate family to reconsider the priority of our values. And I think that is one 922 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:22,000 of the issues that we have in this perceptions of who we are as Americans. We used to be a family of 923 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:30,800 God country family, but now it's not quite like that anymore. It's like personal desires and then 924 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:36,000 politics, if not politics and personal desires and then family and somewhere down the line, you know, 925 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:41,360 I might get church and I'm not saying that church is where you have to necessarily be. I think it is 926 00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:49,280 myself, but we're not even on the same ballpark of country first. We are whatever I am currently 927 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:54,960 desiring at this present moment. That's what I desire first. And then the will of the party 928 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,760 and then the will of the people. And I think that's where we have a lot of this hostility. 929 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:05,440 And the point of that story was we came back and we decided that, well, the reason I don't want this 930 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:10,800 vaccine is because of X, Y, Z. And that's not a very good reason. I ended up getting it because 931 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:16,480 I love to travel. And so I wasn't, I was told I wasn't to be able to travel. So I got the vaccine. 932 00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:25,040 Which one I got is nobody's business. So don't ask. But the point is, is we need this something 933 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:30,880 that is unifying. We need something that can help us. And it's not going to be a holdout for 934 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:37,040 bipartisan voting in the Senate or the House. It's got to be something that is above all of that. 935 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:45,040 It's got to be something that is able and powerful enough in our lives to kind of delineate out 936 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:50,240 the other values. Because if we're just the whims of the day, like there's one day I swear that I'm 937 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,000 going to exercise at five in the morning every single day. The next day I'm like, you know what, 938 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:59,360 I'm going to go for donuts today. Like the willpower of humans to create a unifying force 939 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:06,800 is very menial. I think I'd have to disagree though. Although with Christ in my life and 940 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:12,400 something that actively encourages me to live it through in his name, the thing I have to acknowledge 941 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:19,680 is the fact that people aren't usually able to actually form some form of mass action or to come 942 01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:27,680 together. I guess I'm very, what's the word for it, blackpilled on this. I'm very not confident at all 943 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,920 when it comes to this type of notion. I genuinely believe that there needs to be some sort of 944 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:37,760 political or leadership infrastructure that needs to be set to kind of try to gauge what the interests 945 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:43,280 are of the constituency and then execute it through leadership in the best way they see fit. 946 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:50,320 I'll tell you, as someone that's done organizing in the past and I did stuff 947 01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:56,320 with during the BLM days, whenever you kind of look towards people to actually try to come together 948 01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,480 naturally, it always falls through. Yeah, that's why you need church in the first place. Sure. 949 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:06,560 I need that unifying thing, not the ability of the people. So I want to say one thing. I want to 950 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:13,360 pitch into that. Although I'm not religious personally, so I can't inherently agree that we 951 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:20,160 would need church. I don't deny the value of church. I've always said I'm more of like agnostic. 952 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,640 I said the value of church is definitely prevalent as for a lot of people. I think a lot of people 953 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:30,800 benefit from it. I think people like me necessarily, I don't need it personally. 954 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:36,960 So with that said, I do think something to kind of create a similarity in my opinion that kind of 955 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:42,960 falls in line with the notion that you're saying is I do think you could argue that certain people 956 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:52,240 can benefit from this foremost identity or system that kind of branches to other parts of their 957 01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:56,800 identity later on. So whether or not that be American or whatever, if you have a foremost 958 01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:03,120 foundational system that kind of pushes you forward, so you're not kind of relying on, like 959 01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:10,160 you said, a feeling the next day. And that could be a lot of different things. If I have to say 960 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:17,440 one for me is like the one of the most important aspects of me is making sure that I'm living life 961 01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:24,000 to enjoy life. And there's a whole lot of kind of things in terms of subjectivity of joy and all 962 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:29,120 that stuff. I'm not going to go into that now right now, but I will say since I have this system, 963 01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:35,200 I kind of correspond a lot of things from it, right? So although I can't inherently agree that 964 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:41,440 we need a unifying religion, because I'm not religious, I do think the notion of having a 965 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:47,360 I do think the notion of having a single most single most foundational system to kind of 966 01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:53,280 correspond all your identities or all your kind of decisions can be inherently valuable. Would it 967 01:02:53,280 --> 01:03:00,400 work for the general populace? Because I always have to expand things is, or I always have to 968 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:07,280 expand these type of solutions or these type of ideas. I don't know if it would inherently work 969 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:14,800 for the mass population, but it could. I think if it's probably something like religion, it probably 970 01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:22,080 could. In America, I'm not really sure. Not anymore anyway. So I don't know what that unifying 971 01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:27,360 out it would it be being American? I'm not that probably wouldn't work either, because some people 972 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:34,560 hate America's guts. So that's the situation for America. I don't even I don't know that even though 973 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,400 I agree with the premise, I don't even know if that would work for like America as a whole, 974 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:44,320 personally, because of how divided we are with all these different things. So that's my take on it. 975 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,840 Do you guys have anything else you want to say to this before you kind of move on to the the next 976 01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:57,040 topic? I'm good personally. All right, all right. Sounds good. So the the another aspect that I want 977 01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:02,720 to talk about in terms of discourse is, like I said, educational educational institutions, 978 01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:08,160 right? My personal opinion in regards to the value of these institutions is that they should 979 01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:15,120 a big part of it should be the ability to question and get ideas challenge. I think a 980 01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:20,800 inherent purpose of being an educational institution is developing your mind, developing ideas, 981 01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:27,200 and obviously gaining knowledge and learning. Right. So I think a four four front more 982 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:34,800 a four front thing that a lot of these institutions should be doing more so is having these nuanced 983 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:40,160 perspective and conversations to have all the ideas that they have in their minds challenge, 984 01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:45,440 especially when they're fed these different kind of like ideologies, whether it's from social media, 985 01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:49,360 whether it's from their family, whether it's from their parents or whether it's from any institution. 986 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:55,440 Now, one thing I just want to establish real quick, I'm not saying that you have a system 987 01:04:55,440 --> 01:05:01,760 where people are adamantly challenging their way of life, but I'm saying you should be able to have 988 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:07,120 these conversations. You could argue which levels these conversations should be had. I think college, 989 01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:13,680 obviously high school, maybe middle school. I think you pops, but you could probably have these 990 01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:20,000 conversations in middle school, but to each their own. So I think that is could be inherently 991 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:27,200 valuable and not only kind of progressing different values, especially as an individual. If you get 992 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:31,280 if you constantly have these conversations, because as I said, I think nuanced perspective 993 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:37,440 and conversations is valuable to establish values. I think if you do that at the at young 994 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:44,160 at a young age, younger age, that can also be very valuable. So that is my kind of thing in regards 995 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:50,160 education institution moving forward. I think that should be implemented. So what do you guys think 996 01:05:50,160 --> 01:06:00,720 about that? Go ahead, Paul. You got it, John. OK, so I liberal conservative being polite to each other. 997 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:10,080 That's great. Yeah, I know. Right. Unheard of. So I think I'll defer to what John Adams said, 998 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:16,320 one of our founding fathers when it comes to education and a letter to the Abbey de Mable, 999 01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:23,280 he wrote, who was going to write a history of the American Revolution. One of the things that 1000 01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:28,480 John Adams said is you can't you can't write a history of American Revolution because you're 1001 01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:32,720 not an American. You understand what we did. But if you're going to anyways, you have to consider 1002 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:37,440 these couple of things. And one of the things he pointed out that was very important is the 1003 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:44,960 education system, which is supposed to be a local government institution and is to teach arithmetic, 1004 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:54,960 English, history. And I believe I was four things. History, English, arithmetic, and maybe it was 1005 01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:00,560 Latin. I don't quite remember. But the three primary things is arithmetic or mathematics, 1006 01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:07,040 history and English proficiency in English. And I think those three things also correspond very 1007 01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:12,080 well with the cultivation of logical reason. If you can logically think through arithmetic, 1008 01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:18,880 you can write your thoughts down and good articulation and you can read and appreciate 1009 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:25,200 and learn history, then you're pretty much set. And somewhere along the lines, we kind of lost 1010 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:31,760 that. And we focused, I think, too much on one thing. The STEM fields are beautiful, amazing. 1011 01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:37,600 We need our STEM people. But for some reason, those became like the highest thing you can attain to 1012 01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:43,600 and achieve is the STEM fields. And a lot of people aren't very good at them. And so at least in my 1013 01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:48,480 life, when I was growing up in the school system, I was not really much of a math person. I've always 1014 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:54,000 fell more towards history and poetry. I love to write poetry. I love to read and write. We 1015 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,320 talked about this a little bit last time, Riddell. We both like to read. We're both writers and 1016 01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:02,320 writers. Typically, it's a bit of a cliche. You're either a math person or an English person. 1017 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,960 And if you're an English person, you kind of feel like an odd duck or an ugly duck 1018 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:13,840 because you don't, you're not good at math. And math is like, it's everything. And we're getting 1019 01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:21,600 away from that balance of those three primary things. And we're over focusing on one. And then 1020 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:26,480 we can get into the whole issue of the dwelling on ideology, which we obviously shouldn't do. 1021 01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:32,880 But we need to get back to teaching those three things as equally value and important. And having 1022 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:37,520 these political discussions, I don't think they should take place, especially in middle school 1023 01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:42,560 or high school. I think you should, if you want to opt into that sort of thing in college, you 1024 01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:50,960 should certainly be allowed to. But we have this discussion on and on and on in our political 1025 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:58,080 debates and public discussions of when people have fully developed brain capacities. And we have 1026 01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:03,360 decided it is certainly not by the age of 18. I'm in courses right now where we're talking about 1027 01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:08,800 juvenile justice and they don't want plea agreements for juveniles because they can't 1028 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:13,920 comprehend the workings of the court system well enough to know exactly what's going on. 1029 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:19,840 There's this idea that they're too impulsive young adults, especially young men, because our brains 1030 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:25,120 aren't developed until 24. So why are we going to inundate them with these very contentious 1031 01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:31,680 political debates that is splitting full grown adults down the seams into points where we're 1032 01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:36,000 ostracizing the family members and we're going to trust that they can work them out at this young 1033 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,360 of an age. I think it's in this and it's not the place of school anyway. 1034 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:45,920 Can I hear the question one more time? Just so like I'm like clear, I don't miss it. 1035 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:54,320 So kind of the general idea is that when it comes to educational institutions, 1036 01:09:54,320 --> 01:10:01,200 I personally believe it should be a place to have ideas challenged, to have the nuanced 1037 01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:05,680 discussions that we're talking about earlier, to gain that different perspective because 1038 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:11,360 this is an education location where so many different people are going to be 1039 01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:16,800 having their own individual ideas. The question on whether or not it should be something that 1040 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:22,880 should be implemented for middle, high school and college. All three could be argued. At the very 1041 01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:27,520 least college is unanimous, probably, but high school, middle school can be argued. 1042 01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:34,400 So the question is basically, what do you think about that in terms of education's roles and 1043 01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:44,000 really having these experiences? Well, I guess I feel as if education in our country is to 1044 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:50,160 build the next generation to step forward bravely into that new world, to be part of the political 1045 01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:57,920 or social or genuine infrastructure of this country. But the ideas that they embrace themselves are 1046 01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:03,520 something that they should find themselves and come to their own conclusions on. To 1047 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:10,080 for the notion of facilitating debate in class, I think that you can get into an elective of some 1048 01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:17,120 sort. But I think that that current system that we have right now is pretty good in this regard. 1049 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:21,280 I don't really believe that the classroom is a place for this type of thing to be happening. 1050 01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:29,440 For a couple of reasons, number one, I think that our teachers are already stretched thin when it 1051 01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:34,480 comes to their genuine resources that they have to actually teach the general subject matter at 1052 01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:41,200 home or sorry, at school. Two, I think that with the current political divisions, a lot of these 1053 01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:46,240 kids and their families could probably break out in more violence or neglect towards one another. 1054 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:51,840 And then three, I think that the biggest issue that could come from this, if it was something 1055 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:57,440 that was like facilitated and to generalize curriculum, is that it could actually create 1056 01:11:57,440 --> 01:12:03,520 even more backlash politically on school boards. Let's say, for example, you have a 1057 01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:13,360 liberal conglomerate of students at a school and they're talking about something like 1058 01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:21,200 trans rights or something that is despised amongst a conservative group at the school, 1059 01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:25,440 probably like a majority in this case. There's a notion, at least here in the state of Florida, 1060 01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:31,360 or not even a notion, like a reality that can happen where these schools can actually see 1061 01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:38,240 civil suits filed against them for teaching about certain objects like this. It's on the 1062 01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:43,200 legislature right now to get pushed through. And these are things I just don't think could be 1063 01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:49,120 facilitated currently. Now, if this is something I want to look forward to in the future, if we are 1064 01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:55,120 a more united society, then yeah, I think so. But currently, I think with the deep-rooted division 1065 01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:59,280 in this country, it's not much help. I think that the colleges are the place to do it. 1066 01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,480 And I'm sure Jonathan can agree with me, because he's going through school right now. 1067 01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:09,280 Colleges are not the place to debate right now. If anything, they're kind of a place of consensus. 1068 01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,840 And it kind of sucks, right? Like I'll tell you. 1069 01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:15,360 They're supposed to be the place to debate. 1070 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:21,920 Yeah. So just to give an anecdote here, one of the things that will always live with me 1071 01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:28,000 was we were having a conversation about defunding the police and stuff like that. 1072 01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:36,640 This is like my senior year of school. And the big thing that I kind of came away with, 1073 01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:43,840 right, is I tried to explain to people that the laymen and elderly and the general voters 1074 01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:48,960 in a lot of these communities that suffer the police brutality that's been talked about, 1075 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:55,120 they still have a generalized pro-police sympathy or at least pro-police presence. 1076 01:13:55,120 --> 01:14:02,960 Right? And I mean, I was almost gawked out of the classroom. The thing that kind of turned me away 1077 01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:10,400 from, I guess, a lot of this far left-wing stuff was these moments. And it kind of compelled me to 1078 01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:16,800 kind of just like politically destroy these people and make sure that they really can't see the light 1079 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:23,600 of discourse ever again. But it's something that was very prevalent. I had a Dutch sociology teacher 1080 01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:31,520 who didn't know anything about geopolitics. Whenever we would try to actively talk about them, 1081 01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,720 it was something that was called into question. But as soon as I started talking about something 1082 01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:40,720 that was domestic, I would be sent emails. I was referred to the dean. I even considered going into 1083 01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:48,240 a class action lawsuit because of the things that were forced against me. But that being said, 1084 01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:52,400 if we can regulate stuff like that out of colleges, colleges should be the places for that 1085 01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:58,880 discourse. They shouldn't be the places for consensus. But for middle school and high school, 1086 01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:04,560 I say no currently. Division is too strong and the role of parents in particular is something I'm 1087 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:09,360 deeply concerned about if we look at the political volatility revolving around. 1088 01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:15,680 So yeah, that's all I have to say. So my thing in reference, I do, I definitely agree in terms of 1089 01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:20,320 the current state, just throwing it in there and hey, I have this political debate. Not a good idea. 1090 01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:28,000 Not a good idea. I agree to that for sure. I do think when it comes down to, I'm going to provide 1091 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,840 an attitude for college and then reroute back to the middle school and high school thing to kind of 1092 01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:39,520 elicit how I would go about it. I have an attitude because I went to a liberal arts college. Now for 1093 01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:44,880 me, for the most part, I was waving between Democrat and Republican, not really sure what I 1094 01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:50,880 was. So for the most part, I probably could say that was middle my entire life or I was one of 1095 01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:56,000 the other at some point in time. So with that said, I didn't really mind interacting with liberals, 1096 01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,400 Democrats, conservative Republicans. I didn't mind, I didn't care. If you were a liberal, 1097 01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:06,240 I didn't care. If you were a cool person, then we'll probably hang out. So I had a friend at 1098 01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:16,080 this liberal arts college. He was adamantly, very clearly a Republican, right? So he was a Republican 1099 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:25,520 and this is... I like that guy. He's an interesting fella. He supported Trump 1100 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:31,280 before a lot of the crazier things that happened as of recently. I don't know if he still supports 1101 01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:37,360 Trump, but I know he supported Trump back then in college. So he supported Trump, an avid Republican. 1102 01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:46,160 He was absolutely despised by so many people at our liberal arts college for obvious reason. 1103 01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:51,920 It's full of liberals, full of liberals. They thought he was racist, even though I'm black 1104 01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,760 and he was friends with me. They thought he was sexist. He thought he was all a bunch of things. 1105 01:16:55,760 --> 01:17:01,920 Probably one of the nicest guys I met. He's from Minnesota, like dude, super nice. But immediately 1106 01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:08,640 putting that kind of identity, this negative connotation in front of him, they weren't willing 1107 01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:14,160 to kind of even converse with him. Now for me, because I didn't really fall in line with, 1108 01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:19,280 I didn't consider myself Republican necessarily, I can have all these conversations with all these 1109 01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:24,160 conversations with all these different people, but for him, nobody would really want to talk to him. 1110 01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:30,640 So that completely falls in line with what Paul's saying in terms of the toxicity of consensus going 1111 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:35,680 on in these college institutions, especially when they identify themselves as something like a liberal 1112 01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:42,480 arts institution, or I'm sure you could find the institution that sways heavy red. So that is a 1113 01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:49,440 problem. 100% agree. So in terms of kind of my idea of how it would work in middle school and high school, 1114 01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:56,880 as of right now, discussing politics probably would be off the table. I would say anything in 1115 01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:04,960 terms of political discussion and religious discussion, probably off the table in terms of 1116 01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:10,480 middle school or high school. But I personally do believe that middle schools and high schools can 1117 01:18:10,480 --> 01:18:16,720 have nuance and deep conversations. And I do believe that these educational institutions, 1118 01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:23,520 one of the more forefront reasons why our forefront things that these education institutions 1119 01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:29,600 should be doing is developing the mind. I believe that there's so much inefficiencies in our current 1120 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:36,160 education system. Like most people don't even retain like 85% of the things they've learned in 1121 01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:42,400 school. Like I could probably teach a middle school or X, Y, and Z and it would probably be smarter 1122 01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:47,840 than a 40 year old. Because I do think they can develop and grow their minds in a very efficient 1123 01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:54,080 manner. But in the current state of politics, I would say probably in a very, maybe a Socratic 1124 01:18:54,080 --> 01:19:01,520 way, the instructor or whoever's in charge, so if it's about politics, no. If it's about religion, 1125 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:07,040 no. But you can have deep conversations about some other topics that could still expand the 1126 01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:12,000 perspective and expand their way of thinking, whether it's about history is like, okay, why 1127 01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:20,320 did this happen? I don't think the questions being asked history can sway into politics a little bit. 1128 01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:26,560 I do agree to that. I think you would have to be kind of, you would have to be a very nuanced, 1129 01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:33,600 but I also agree with what you said, Paul, the teachers really have to buy in, like they really 1130 01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:39,760 have to buy in for this to work. Which is another problem, because some teachers are bad and some 1131 01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:44,160 teachers are just treated very badly. Well, if I can comment on that. So like, there's this like 1132 01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:49,680 kind of current dichotomy in American public school teaching right now, that is kind of like 1133 01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:58,240 permeating. So currently, the due to the astoundingly poor wages for the majority of 1134 01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:07,040 American teachers, a lot of teachers are now, you know, so low in morale, that they kind of teach 1135 01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:12,800 so they can get their pension. Right? This is like, kind of like a really fucked up thing to say. 1136 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:20,000 But in my experiences, and I think even the data now corroborates it, I think it was maybe Ross 1137 01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:26,160 Meweson that did the poll on it. But this is something that is becoming more and more frequent, 1138 01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:33,280 because of our governments, both our state, local and federal neglect upon education. And then 1139 01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:39,680 furthermore, at least in the state of Florida, and how we're abandoning these people to the culture 1140 01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:48,080 war, right? And how we're like, kind of throwing them under the bus. It's just that you can't have 1141 01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:55,440 a classroom work without motivation. Right? And without any sort of concerted effort by the staff, 1142 01:20:55,440 --> 01:21:01,440 both the administrators and the teaching personnel, nothing really can get done. And the only way 1143 01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:07,760 really to solve it is by supporting teachers through the legislature, right? It doesn't happen 1144 01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:12,800 anywhere else. Like, you know, I've talked to my mom about this. She always brings up how we can 1145 01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:18,800 do it socially. Right? This doesn't matter. Or rather, it matters very little. We're talking 1146 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,720 about money here. And this is the only thing that can actually really get the job done in terms of 1147 01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:27,760 the financing of these teachers and through the government supporting them. How you feel, for 1148 01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:33,120 example, on the trans stuff in schools or the CRT stuff in schools, right? I'm sure we can all agree, 1149 01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:39,680 parents shouldn't be able to sue their fucking schools and deprive them of the finances based 1150 01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:43,840 off of what's taught in curriculum. That's something that should just result in the teacher's 1151 01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:48,400 removal. But in the state of Florida, what we have going on right now is like, for example, 1152 01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:57,280 if you had some nut job teacher come in and start talking about CRT or like sex in front of younger 1153 01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:03,840 kids and stuff like that, a parent can go before the school and have them sued. And it's something 1154 01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:08,560 that can actually the state will support. Right? And this is just like absolutely adding fuel to 1155 01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:14,080 the fire. Right? It's the main reason why I'm against the bill in the first place, because that 1156 01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:20,160 it is just further isolating our educational apparatus. So without state support, it's going 1157 01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:27,920 to go nowhere. Yeah. Overall, I definitely think that the educational system and the lack of support, 1158 01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:33,440 like you said, is a huge problem. I think the system was flawed in terms of how it kind of 1159 01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:39,280 taught students and the fact that teachers are treated so poorly in terms of benefits, in terms 1160 01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:47,040 of pay in correspondence on how important their job is in influencing the youth moving forward and 1161 01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:57,040 educating them. And if you compare that to what their job is versus what they're given, it's 1162 01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:05,280 ridiculous. It's actually, and the curriculums in so many of these institutions are so unfair to the 1163 01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:13,040 teacher that it doesn't give them any room to really try to challenge these kids in terms of 1164 01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:17,520 in terms of their mind. No, it's like, get ready for tests. That's all it is right now. Get ready 1165 01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:24,400 for this next test. So I definitely agree that education is very flawed. It would take a lot of 1166 01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:32,720 local kind of advocacy to kind of fix a lot of these issues. And so my only thing, my next best 1167 01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:40,800 kind of scenario is establishing, like you said before an elective, something kind of extracurricular, 1168 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:47,040 something a group can establish to really say, it's still a great place to meet different people. 1169 01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:52,880 In terms of schools, that's probably the number one place to eat to meet different people. So 1170 01:23:52,880 --> 01:24:02,240 having something there, something may be funded by an organization to neutrally focus on conversation 1171 01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:07,280 and thought could probably be the best case scenario, would have to be the best case scenario. 1172 01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:13,120 So anything else you want to add, Jonathan, before we move to the final topic? 1173 01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:21,440 You know, so I don't have a particularly strong opinion when it comes to like high school, 1174 01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:26,240 because I don't know much about it, because I didn't, I was homeschooled. So my perfect 1175 01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:33,360 scenario was homeschool a bunch of people. And I'm sure liberal, more liberal audiences will 1176 01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:39,360 despise that statement. Am I incorrect, Paul? Yeah, I definitely got to push back on that one, 1177 01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:50,720 Jon. Yeah, as I figured. And the reason is this. I fell in love with learning, right. And it's 1178 01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:54,480 because I was able to go at my own pace. And when I was a little bit older, when I was a 1179 01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:59,760 sophomore in high school, I went to a career tech school. And this career tech school, 1180 01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:06,880 because of bylaws and whatnot, does not have the same curriculum nor requirements as a regular 1181 01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:12,480 high school. So like we didn't even like have final state exam, final exams or anything like that, 1182 01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:21,920 because of the way the way this school was funded. So it didn't it didn't have the same rules and 1183 01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:26,160 regulations, the same firm curricula. And the teachers had a lot more freedom. And because the 1184 01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:32,320 teachers had a lot more freedom, but also because I was in this area that I wanted to be in, I 1185 01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:37,360 wanted to study criminal justice. So I was passionate about it. And I was passionate about 1186 01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:42,400 learning in general because of my amazing, amazing mother and my amazing father, who was a 1187 01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:49,440 professor. And they taught me the beauty and the desire to learn. And I think if my one critique 1188 01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:56,080 of education system, including college, is it doesn't do a good job supporting the values of 1189 01:25:56,080 --> 01:26:05,840 value intrinsic in learning and education. Even my fellow peers in college, a lot of times Quizlet 1190 01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:11,440 takes their tests. They do not take their tests. They don't sit in and pay attention to the lectures. 1191 01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:16,240 They're watching sports. They're watching playing video games and doing all these other things in 1192 01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:24,400 the lecture because education itself is no longer seen as a virtue or value. It is seen as simply a 1193 01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:31,040 prerequisite to getting a job that you want to get. And so I don't think that the onus is on teachers. 1194 01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:38,240 I understand the plight of teachers in America, but half my family is now teachers in middle school 1195 01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:45,440 slash high school. I understand the plight. But I think one of the plights they have is, and it's an 1196 01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:52,800 undervalued plight because we have this mentality of the consumer is always right. And the students, 1197 01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:57,120 we always have to be the students are always right. I think that's true. I think the students are 1198 01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:01,680 spoiled brats and they don't want to be there because they're told they only they have to be 1199 01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:08,160 there. They don't get to be there. I mean, I also think at the same time that the system put in 1200 01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:16,560 place does not make it enjoyable at all. I would say middle school, high school, the way it was 1201 01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:22,000 formatted, the only enjoyable, even though I was good at learning, I would get A's and all that 1202 01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:28,560 stuff. And sometimes I would enjoy it. But it really heavily depended on how enjoyable the teacher 1203 01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:36,720 made it. And also the and when I compare that to my college liberal arts school that I was just 1204 01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:42,240 telling everybody about, their system was completely different. Like probably not the same system as 1205 01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:46,960 your tech school. But the fact that they went about education completely differently, they had 1206 01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:52,480 something called one course at a time. So in that one to two months, you focus on one class, 1207 01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:58,160 you go to one class. Wow. Either one day you either go to the class once a day or twice a 1208 01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:04,000 day, depending on what the class is. But most of it once a day, you go to one class, you learn only 1209 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:09,120 that subject for that one to two months. And then maybe they'll give a final, maybe they'll give a 1210 01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:13,440 midterm. It depends on the class in college. Yeah, it was called it was a liberal arts college. 1211 01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:21,600 Awesome. And I think that was probably my favorite time in terms of being in education, because 1212 01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:28,000 the system put in place was so great. Now, it was a private school so they can afford it by because 1213 01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:36,080 of their donors. Public education is a lost cause. I've taken 18 to 21 credits every semester in 1214 01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:42,240 college. So it's it's not like that at all. But that is similar to how the tech school was in some 1215 01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:50,560 ways. Public school lost cause, bro. Lost cause. Anything you want to add, Paul? I don't think it's 1216 01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:57,440 a lost cause. It's the next bastion of humanity. OK, like you're going to see every single taxpayer 1217 01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:03,200 dollars save every single child when they are enrolled in our school, where they attack the 1218 01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:06,480 teachers. You know, like it's going to be it's going to be gray. We're going to fund every single 1219 01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:10,960 one. No, but in all seriousness, though. So I want to say a couple of things. I wrote down some stuff. 1220 01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:16,400 Jonathan, I think that there is an idealization of education here. Right. And I think it's actually 1221 01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:21,520 kind of distant from the reality in which education has always existed. Right. So the 1222 01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:27,920 thing is, is that we were talking about how like, you know, kids are spoiled brats and how like, 1223 01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:32,000 you know, students are always like trying to just like get ahead on the test and like pass through. 1224 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:37,760 Right. I would argue that this has always been the case. Right. Now, granted, you know, back in the 1225 01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:46,000 day, maybe like your 60s, 50s, like when we actually finally had public schooling fully rolled out 1226 01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:54,000 to the federal legislature, there was significantly more motivation on behalf of the teacher 1227 01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:59,680 and on behalf of the administration and on behalf of the communities that were involved in them 1228 01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:05,680 to have better outcomes happen where there's more motivation to learn. Right. But that being said, 1229 01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:10,800 I sincerely believe and I think there is like some sort of empirics to back this up, 1230 01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:15,760 that this has been the case. Like cheating has been something that has always existed. And even 1231 01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:21,280 I would argue on the scale it is today is still pretty similar. We obviously have the internet, 1232 01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:27,920 which, you know, like the Quizlet is like something that is definitely bolstered the problem. Right. 1233 01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:33,680 But now AI too. Yeah. Well, AI too. I mean, that's easy. That's more detectable, right. Like, 1234 01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:38,320 but the big thing is, is like, I'm sure you can actually probably agree on this, Jonathan, 1235 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:42,880 in a lot of like criminology classes or in criminal justice classes, you have unmotivated 1236 01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:48,800 professors that have the test answers literally on Quizlet. Right. They do not regularly change 1237 01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:53,760 their curriculum. They do not regularly get out there and get what needs to be done. And this is 1238 01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:58,800 all because these people aren't just being paid enough. Right. And furthermore, it's because these 1239 01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:03,920 institutions are being paid enough to filter these people out when they are being paid enough. 1240 01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:11,280 Right. We have a big issue of funding and support for these institutions. Right. Now I want to say 1241 01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:17,760 something, right. Like homeschooling, I have to push back against it like all the way. Right. 1242 01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:24,160 Stop right there. Yes. This is a little mini ad. Don't skip. Don't skip. All I want to tell you 1243 01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:28,960 right now is that at the end of the day, when it comes down to all the discussions I want to have, 1244 01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:34,480 I want to be able to communicate with you, the audience. I want to be able to relay a message 1245 01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:39,680 and receive a message from everyone and try to come up with these great solutions that I keep on 1246 01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:44,960 talking about. So if you want to be part of the community, make sure you go to the website and 1247 01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:51,840 sign up for not only the email list, so you can get weekly emails from me for the podcast episode, 1248 01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:57,840 informational sessions, all that great stuff, but also sign up to go on my Discord so you can be 1249 01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:03,440 part of the discussions, debates on my live streams. So be sure to go to the website, 1250 01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:11,200 www.purplepoliticalbreakdown.com and go to the email list, sign up and go to the Discord and 1251 01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:16,880 join the server. Now back to the episode. I'm not someone that can fully trust 1252 01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:22,160 having more and more children at the whims of their parents in terms of their education. 1253 01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:26,960 It works for some, right? And it gets burned by others, right? Social development can work for 1254 01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:31,440 some and it can't work for others. I say this as someone that had negative social development. I 1255 01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:38,320 was sent to a military school when I was a kid, right? But that being said, these are still things 1256 01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:45,200 that need to have public education because it combines a really adequate social 1257 01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:49,760 platform by which people can interact with one another. And then furthermore, at the very least, 1258 01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:56,640 a standardized education system by which they can learn through, all of which can be supported 1259 01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:04,000 through the financing that's needed. Now I can agree with conservatives in the sense that maybe 1260 01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:08,880 I would send my kid to private school or maybe I would send my kid to a charter school or maybe I 1261 01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:15,680 would send my kid to a home school because of the negative presence of these schools right now. 1262 01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:22,720 But to exist in eternity, right, I would always support the public school option. Just currently 1263 01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:28,000 now I have to say, sure, I get it, right? The public schools aren't doing too well. But 1264 01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:34,720 fundamentally, on a fundamental level, I truly believe in the ability to have education that can 1265 01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:42,000 be financed by the public and then furthermore be dictated by the public and what is necessarily 1266 01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:48,800 taught, what is necessarily sought after in terms of the goals of that institution. Because as a 1267 01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:55,360 republic by which we are, it should be up to the people to make those decisions through their 1268 01:33:55,360 --> 01:34:00,640 representation. But not if they want to home school? No, absolutely not. That's the one stipulation. 1269 01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:10,000 Hey, oh. This is in the context of education for public schooling, right? But not for the specific 1270 01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:17,040 institution of the private parent, right? I'm just wholesaling against it because of the risk 1271 01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:21,520 associated with it, which I thought- So one thing I will push back as someone who 1272 01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:27,440 did home school, one of the things that we had to do, it's not simply the wombs of the parents, 1273 01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:33,760 right? So when I was home, meet state expectations, I had a full curriculum that we purchased from a 1274 01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:40,880 licensed and approved company and we did have to meet state expectations. I simply got to do it. 1275 01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:46,640 So one of the reasons I'm so far ahead in college is because my parents didn't want to buy two 1276 01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:52,160 curriculum. So I simply did my brother's curriculum. So I was always two or three years ahead of 1277 01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:58,560 everything. But I still got to go at my own pace. I still met all of the state board requirements, 1278 01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:03,440 still did all of that. I just got to do it at my own pace. I got to fall in love with the process 1279 01:35:03,440 --> 01:35:08,800 of learning. And one of the things you brought up is cheating has always happened, right? It doesn't 1280 01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:13,040 make cheating right. I don't care if the professor is lazy and puts the same things. It doesn't give 1281 01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:20,240 someone the right to cheat, right? So I think the onus is still on the students. I sympathize 1282 01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:27,840 with the plight of underpaid teachers. I don't think professors are underpaid wholesale. I think 1283 01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:34,960 many of them live very, very good lives. For the middle class, they get good salaries, at least the 1284 01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:43,680 place that I'm at, I can't attest to every place. But I don't necessarily care if the professors are 1285 01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:50,720 lazy. That doesn't give you the right to therefore look up the answers on Quizlet and still cheat. 1286 01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:56,960 So you should still have to because the purpose of college, first and foremost, is you're paying 1287 01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:04,320 for that. I am paying thousands of dollars to get an education, right? I can once again, I will 1288 01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:09,360 cede your point. And yeah, the professors are being lazy, but I still have a duty and obligation 1289 01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:14,720 because I'm putting my money where my mouth is to say I want to get as much from this as possible. 1290 01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:20,960 So what I'm not going to do is sit on video games or watch whatever sports thing is currently on 1291 01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:26,240 during the class time. I want to be sitting there. The onus is still on me to get the education I'm 1292 01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:30,880 paying for. The professors are still doing what they're doing, and some could do it better. Some 1293 01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:37,040 do it worse. But I still, just because the professors are being lazy and putting their answers the same 1294 01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:42,560 doesn't mean that I don't have a responsibility to do my half of the education process as well. 1295 01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:48,880 So real quick, I want to ask one thing for Jonathan, and then I want to ask like a 1296 01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:56,960 counter question that I'm curious if you can answer. And then I'll let Paul respond and then 1297 01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:04,720 we'll move on to the final topic. So in terms of my first question is more of a personal one. 1298 01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:10,480 Is there a social standard that needs to be met for homeschool as well or is it purely just they 1299 01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:18,240 only care about the curriculum? So are you asking is there a social requirement as well that 1300 01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:24,800 homeschoolers would need to have? Is that what you're asking? Yeah. Yeah. I don't think so. 1301 01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:32,320 There's this misconception a lot, somewhat stereotype, right? Which we're told are bad, 1302 01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:37,440 but stereotypes come from somewhere. So I certainly know some homeschoolers that are kind of awkward. 1303 01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:41,680 I also know a lot of public schools that are very awkward as well. I don't think there should be a 1304 01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:49,200 social standard because as long as you're functioning and you're able to function in this 1305 01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:53,040 society, then that is the standard, right? If you can function in society, then you've met the social 1306 01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:58,800 standard. Quick follow up question because I'm now I'm curious. So I don't know if this is true, 1307 01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:04,880 but I got it from anime. So I'm going to ask it anyway. So in Japan, I feel like there's some 1308 01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:11,440 institutions that demand students to do an extracurricular activity. And inherently, 1309 01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:16,560 I don't know if I would be against not for it or against it. I feel like it would probably be a good 1310 01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:24,240 idea. But so with that said, do you believe that a student should have to do an extracurricular 1311 01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:31,040 activity? And if that's the case, if you do, or you think, you know, maybe or let's say if you do, 1312 01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:35,040 do you think that the homeschooler will also have to do extracurricular activity? 1313 01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:44,480 Or that so I don't think it should be a state requirement because I don't think that 1314 01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:51,360 I mean, primarily, I am one of these people that believe the family has an obligation to get 1315 01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:56,960 their children a good education. If that be in public school, private school, or homeschool, 1316 01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:01,360 whatever it is, I fundamentally believe that that goes back to the parents who are responsible for 1317 01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:05,280 the raising of the children, because they're responsible for raising children before God, 1318 01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:13,280 not man. And so however they deem that fit should be. That said, I think it is totally within the 1319 01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:17,840 parents rights to mandate that there be an extracurricular. I was not allowed to not be 1320 01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:23,440 an extracurricular. It either had to be some kind of music, whether it be in band or otherwise, 1321 01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:30,400 or I had to be in some kind of club or in sports. I did sports, I did martial arts, I did many other 1322 01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:39,040 things. I wrote books on the side. So I was provided by my parents to do extracurricular. 1323 01:39:40,480 --> 01:39:44,960 When it comes to the side of socializing, we also had a co-op, right? So for many years, 1324 01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:48,240 it wasn't just my family that homeschooled, but it was several families that would get together 1325 01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:51,840 and homeschool together. And then later on it was through a more formalized process. 1326 01:39:52,480 --> 01:39:57,360 So I got plenty of socializing. I also got to live in other countries, which many of my peers 1327 01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:02,240 in the public school sector did not get to do. And that is something that I am beyond blessed 1328 01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:07,440 and privileged to have been able to do. I hope that I never take that for granted, but it always 1329 01:40:07,440 --> 01:40:12,080 kind of irks me a little bit when people say, well, why are you not like some weird kid that's 1330 01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:17,200 socially stunted? It's like, well, I lived a very blessed and fortunate life and I got to live in 1331 01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:25,200 another country. Some homeschoolers don't have that same journey that I did. But I still think 1332 01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:32,080 as a whole, I know several homeschoolers who go to BG and we are all in the top of our classes 1333 01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:37,280 in different respective fields. Every time I meet a homeschooler, we are always in the top 1334 01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:41,840 echelon of our classes. And I think that's because we were able to fall in love with learning at our 1335 01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:46,960 own pace. Not true for everyone, but that's anecdotal. So take for it what you will. But in 1336 01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:53,920 my experience, many of the homeschoolers that I know, especially at Pena, Pena loved the homeschoolers. 1337 01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:58,320 All the teachers were thrilled that I was a homeschooler because I was, I don't want to just 1338 01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:03,200 keep praising myself here because I'm, I don't consider myself smart. Homeschoolers were just 1339 01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:09,280 so smart. Yeah. Yeah. Boom. But yeah, they all, I was in the top of almost all of my classes. And 1340 01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:14,800 it's not because I'm smart. It's because I like learning. I respect it. And my follow-up question 1341 01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:25,200 is how exactly are you going to kind of, because, all right, so I want to preface this by saying 1342 01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:30,800 this for, I think me and Paul, I think we kind of focused on, okay, teachers, they need to be, 1343 01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:37,520 you know, compensated way better. And Paul even added an extra caveat. If they are compensated 1344 01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:42,800 better, we can weed out the bad teachers. So compensation needs to be way better. I also 1345 01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:47,440 believe that the education system needs to be reformatted and be more efficient. So those are 1346 01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:52,480 two prongs to make the education system better. One thing that you're kind of bringing up is that 1347 01:41:52,480 --> 01:41:56,400 the students should be, it's the student's accountability and them wanting to learn. 1348 01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:02,640 Okay. We have tangible things that we can actually put in place. I don't know how you force students 1349 01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:09,600 to want to learn though. Exactly. So I'm curious on how you would go about that. Great question. 1350 01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:18,960 So homeschool them. I'm just kidding. Only half though, right? So I think the education 1351 01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:24,880 process has to start in the home, right? One of the reasons that I like to learn is because my 1352 01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:29,600 dad likes to learn and my mom likes to learn, right? And this is something that you necessarily 1353 01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:36,000 can't standardize. One of the things you can do though is, and I think they are doing it now with 1354 01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:42,480 these kind of facilitated learning groups that you can have or people with special needs, they 1355 01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:49,440 go at slower paces. Well, people's brains develop and a lot of science has shown one of the best 1356 01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:56,720 ways to create good readers is to have parents that read. And reading is highly correlated 1357 01:42:56,720 --> 01:43:00,880 in your literacy, is highly correlated with educational outcomes and things like that. 1358 01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:07,120 But my dad in his room, there's books all over my house. In his office space, he's got four shelves 1359 01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:12,320 on all four walls filled with books. I always saw my parents reading, right? And one of the things 1360 01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:17,440 that can create that, and every kid likes to read inherently, right? Every kid loves to go to the 1361 01:43:17,440 --> 01:43:21,440 library and grab the book. Somewhere along the lines, they're taught that reading is lame, 1362 01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:27,120 reading is for losers. And when that process starts to happen is when the educational system 1363 01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:32,560 kind of falls off a little bit. And so if we can mitigate that where we can, but also work with 1364 01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:37,120 the students in middle school. I think like you guys both, I believe brought up the point of 1365 01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:44,000 standardized testing is the bane of educational existence. When you're doing things simply just 1366 01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:50,480 to pass a test, that's when education just starts to totally collapse and decay. Education is not 1367 01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:56,880 about testing. We don't teach in schools anything that really matters. I was never taught to do a 1368 01:43:56,880 --> 01:44:03,520 checkbook or how to cook or how to clean or how to do a lot of things or understanding my tax system. 1369 01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:06,800 We're not taught a lot of things that are actually used for life. 1370 01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:09,360 SEAN But AP Calculus though. 1371 01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:18,320 ALI Yeah, exactly. Algebra 3 is a fundament of school. No, no. I'm going into criminal justice. 1372 01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:22,880 What I need to do, like so working with the students, like Australia actually has a great 1373 01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:28,880 education system where you get to essentially pick your track like your sophomore year. And so 1374 01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:35,200 if you are higher in interest in this rate, then they will tailor the back end of your high school. 1375 01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:39,760 And if you want to go to college, they'll even tailor it to feed into your college career. 1376 01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:43,440 And so they begin to tailor it right at the high school level about what kind of things you're 1377 01:44:43,440 --> 01:44:47,680 interested in, what you like, you get to take more classes that way. Panda got to do the same sort 1378 01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:53,120 of thing as that. And that's beautiful. So working with what the students are interested in is that's 1379 01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:58,880 what keeps the passion for learning alive because people actually like to learn. It's just somewhere 1380 01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:05,760 along the line with this modern education system that we have, students are squashed out as well. 1381 01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:11,200 And I still, that kind of sounded a little bit like your arguments and because you guys are also 1382 01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:16,640 right on this issue as well. But what it can't be is there will be a point where the students 1383 01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:21,920 still, even if they do like it, because we have these desires that are disordered is they were 1384 01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:27,040 still sometimes want to prefer to play video games in class and you shouldn't have that. No, sorry, 1385 01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:32,960 laptop. Like I don't think laptops should actually be allowed in lecture halls and classes. Like you 1386 01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:38,720 write, take notes by paper because you will be more engaged, to be more focused and you won't even 1387 01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:45,440 have the temptation to get on there. There'll still be desires and that's when the students 1388 01:45:45,440 --> 01:45:51,440 have to take responsibility and say, no, against my baser instincts, I'm going to take this time 1389 01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:56,720 and actually learn. So there's still some, only some students. But isn't the problem like the 1390 01:45:56,720 --> 01:46:04,800 basis by which we actually construct like policy for students curriculum and whatnot is through 1391 01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:10,960 accommodating for factors by which we don't actually invoke personal responsibility, right? 1392 01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:16,400 Like for example, we examine it as something that will happen in the event of a failure of the 1393 01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:22,320 education system. For example, if the teacher is failing in their ability to properly teach these 1394 01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:28,240 students, then there is a higher likelihood of there to be cheating in the class, right? So thus, 1395 01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:33,520 we must encourage the teacher through a better financing and then after better financing through 1396 01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:40,880 things like standardized testing to see where that teacher is particularly, then we can clearly see, 1397 01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:47,920 like a decrease in that type of cheating, right? Cheating, think of it like this, right? It's sort 1398 01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:55,760 of like crime and like police coverage, right? Crime happens in areas with like lower police 1399 01:46:55,760 --> 01:47:00,720 coverage or more sparse down police coverage in most cases. These might be the most policed areas, 1400 01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:07,440 but they still have the least amount of police per block, right? Similarly with teaching, 1401 01:47:07,440 --> 01:47:12,800 if we have a lot of bad teachers and people that can't get the job done, right? Because that they 1402 01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:18,880 are unmotivated to actually get into the job and just want to collect a paycheck or something like 1403 01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:25,280 that, then we can clearly see that this stuff might appear not to be working. But if we finance it, 1404 01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:30,240 then we can see it actually work and we can have the standardized testing corroborate it, right? 1405 01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:35,040 The reason why standardized testing doesn't work right now, or necessarily, is because the schools 1406 01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:41,040 have no actual real money coming into them and the federal and state legislatures are not supporting 1407 01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:45,600 these people. Isn't that something that we can agree on? Like I'm not really sure certain why 1408 01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:51,120 we should invoke personal responsibility. Whenever we do try to do these things, we see that there is 1409 01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:56,640 a consistent failure that is applied, right? The reason why we can see it exercised more in private 1410 01:47:56,640 --> 01:48:01,280 schools and the reason why you can see it exercised more in home schools is because the amount of 1411 01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:06,000 authority that is dispatched upon these students is far greater the amount of surveillance that a 1412 01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:11,680 teacher in these areas can enact or the amount of guidance they can act is far greater because the 1413 01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:16,880 lower populations or because of the more hands-on learning. These are things that public schools 1414 01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:20,880 aren't going to have the resources to. So why should we opt for the personal responsibility? 1415 01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:26,960 That's my question to you, Jonathan. Because personal responsibility is important. 1416 01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:31,520 One thing I would want to add to, I agree with Jonathan, personal responsibility is important, 1417 01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:36,560 is one thing I want to say is I don't necessarily think that we have to look at it as different 1418 01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:44,880 counter solutions. So what I mean by that is I feel like you can attack this on a three-prong 1419 01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:52,640 strategy. One, at the home in terms of establishing the proper values for your kids. And you can do 1420 01:48:52,640 --> 01:49:00,320 that by establishing the essence and importance of learning. Two, at this education in terms of 1421 01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:07,600 the teachers, financing them properly, compensating them properly. So, you know, they are treated 1422 01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:13,760 better and do a better job. And three, for me personally, in terms of changing the education 1423 01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:18,640 system so it's more efficient for not only the students, but also the teachers and developing 1424 01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:24,880 the students' minds. So I feel like all three solutions can be kind of corresponded together 1425 01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:30,960 to be very efficient overall in terms of developing the child's mind. Do you disagree? 1426 01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:33,680 Um. 1427 01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:34,160 That's you, Paul. 1428 01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:40,640 I'm sorry, you cut out for me. Can you say it one more time? Just like the general context? 1429 01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:45,760 So my thing is I feel like all three, all the things that we mentioned can be kind of 1430 01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:55,920 kind of be used in unison in a sense. In the sense that, you know, teaching values at the home, 1431 01:49:57,680 --> 01:50:02,960 compensating teachers better, and creating a more efficient education system. I feel like all three 1432 01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:08,960 of those things can be all very important overall in terms of education so they don't really have 1433 01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:15,840 to kind of counter each other. Yeah, I think I would agree, but I would say just with a caveat, 1434 01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:21,600 within the reins of personal responsibility, that it's the job of the parent and the parent alone, 1435 01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:28,960 right? I don't believe that it's the job of the state to enforce some requiem of, or sorry, 1436 01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:35,440 not requiem, some like standardization of personal responsibility because I feel as if every single 1437 01:50:35,440 --> 01:50:41,440 time we've tried to teach it through the curriculum, it often leads nowhere, right? If anything, 1438 01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:47,120 the thing that we really do need here is to support parents and parents to support the schools. 1439 01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:51,040 And so that the educators can educate the children and then the parents could do 1440 01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:56,240 job of like giving their children the know-how, the street knowledge, and things that they need to know 1441 01:50:56,240 --> 01:51:01,280 at home. But I don't necessarily see how it's the job of our public schooling system to teach these 1442 01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:06,720 things. I can see maybe like a financial education class, home economics, right? But I can't see 1443 01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:12,960 anything beyond that because to put that into curriculum is very, very difficult. And furthermore, 1444 01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:17,680 to actually have children compelled by it is even harder, right? Especially considering the 1445 01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:21,520 drought in teaching we have now. I'm sure Jonathan probably could agree with me on that with his 1446 01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:28,080 family being. I would totally agree that parents have to teach personal responsibility. 1447 01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:32,480 One thing, if you don't mind, Rodele, I would like to ask Paul a question. 1448 01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:38,880 So I think you would agree that teachers are overworked, right? 1449 01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:39,380 Yeah. 1450 01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:44,480 So there's too many students per classroom, right? 1451 01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:48,080 Yeah, yeah, I'd say so. 1452 01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:54,640 So would it not also make economic sense if teachers or parents wanted to teach their kids 1453 01:51:54,640 --> 01:52:00,400 to pull their kids out of public school and to homeschool them? Would that not alleviate a lot 1454 01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:05,680 of the pressure from teachers that are overworked, underpaid with too many students per classroom? 1455 01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:07,040 And that way. 1456 01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:09,280 Absolutely not, no. 1457 01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:10,720 No, why doesn't that make sense? 1458 01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:15,360 Because we already have systems to accommodate for students that actually find themselves, 1459 01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:21,840 it being harder to learn in these environments. We have IEPs and 504s that step forward to give 1460 01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:26,080 these children these resources. The only problem is right now, currently, we don't have enough 1461 01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:31,680 classroom size to actually facilitate it. However, with the ideas that I've mentioned right now, 1462 01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:35,920 right, the notion would be that we build these schools bigger so we can accommodate for students 1463 01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:41,040 that can't handle these larger classroom sizes and allowing them to have some form of isolation. 1464 01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:42,160 Or we could take them out of school, right? 1465 01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:43,040 I don't believe that. 1466 01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:43,540 No, yeah. 1467 01:52:43,540 --> 01:52:46,160 Because they're pouring in a bunch of money to try to make schools bigger. 1468 01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:48,320 That would work the same way. 1469 01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:51,440 No, I don't think so. I'm not really quick, Rodele. 1470 01:52:51,440 --> 01:53:00,000 I'm not interested in the notion of leaving it up to private actors to engage, even if there's 1471 01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:04,240 state curriculum, which is the standard like you correctly mentioned, with homeschooling, 1472 01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:10,880 I do not trust private actors to enact consistency on this, right? I do not trust them to be people 1473 01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:16,800 that can reliably do this. And furthermore, just for the socialization factor, I don't believe it 1474 01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:21,600 to be a constant, right? I know plenty of people, if we're going to be going by anecdotes, 1475 01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:27,680 right? I know plenty of people that went through it and had the negative effects as well. And 1476 01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:32,560 that's something that I'm not necessarily willing to let happen to the future of American children, 1477 01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:37,680 right? Granted, this could be said for public schools too, but at least with public schooling, 1478 01:53:37,680 --> 01:53:42,560 you have the ability to finance it more, to enact more regulations upon it, and the electorate can 1479 01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:47,840 actually exercise more control over it. But I do not believe parents should have, like I'll even 1480 01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:52,000 say it, right? This is probably where I become the radical, have that right to educate their children, 1481 01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:57,040 right? I believe that that thing is supposed to be up to private schools, charter schools, 1482 01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:02,160 and public schools alone, right? And that's the only circumstances by which they should operate. 1483 01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:10,640 So why is private schools allowed if often it is the parents who are deciding some of those, 1484 01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:13,840 uh, what is being taught there? They're the ones who are often funding it, 1485 01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:18,640 uh, large donors of graduates of those private schools. Why are private schools allowed? 1486 01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:23,360 Because private schools can see significantly more oversight than that of the homeschool. 1487 01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:26,640 The homeschool in the way we, like, or the way I understand- 1488 01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:28,000 But the state is overseeing a lot of homeschooling. 1489 01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:32,240 The state oversees the curriculum that is dispatched. The state does not oversee 1490 01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:37,440 the overall socialization and the generalized education that's being dispatched, right? You 1491 01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:42,880 don't see, like, uh, like you'll see test scores, for example, you'll see a buy it and spy protocol, 1492 01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:47,360 but you can't see general, like, uh, you won't see general inspection of the premises, 1493 01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:51,840 for example, in that execution of teaching. And to me, that is too big of a risk to put 1494 01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:57,280 American children through the hoops on that one, right? With a private school, you can have active 1495 01:54:57,280 --> 01:55:01,680 inspection throughout them, which happens, right? In the state of Florida, we have Florida inspectors 1496 01:55:01,680 --> 01:55:07,120 that come through these places every month, but for homeschoolers, it's, uh, few and far between. 1497 01:55:07,120 --> 01:55:11,360 For example, the average inspection rate, I think in the state of Florida for homeschoolers to 1498 01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:17,200 actually see with, uh, physical personnel is something of like once a year or maybe even more, 1499 01:55:17,200 --> 01:55:21,440 right? I don't know if you've ever had physical inspectors come into your home to, uh, to, uh, 1500 01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:26,000 observe your learning environment, but it's something that should happen at the bare minimum 1501 01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:31,120 with homeschoolers. Uh, but largely it just shouldn't be something that exists, right? 1502 01:55:31,120 --> 01:55:37,920 I want something that for the foundation has significantly more oversight from multiple 1503 01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:43,280 individuals that can assess these situations rather than having to risk children being at 1504 01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:47,440 home with their parents and possibly being in something like an abusive situation, a 1505 01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:54,480 neglectful situation, or just, uh, inadequate situation in that educating, right? That's my 1506 01:55:54,480 --> 01:56:02,160 general problem with it. So I want to say this, um, and then the question, by the way, I want to say 1507 01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:07,200 this before we move on. Great conversation, Gary conversation, even, even though they disagreed. Um, 1508 01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:15,120 I will say this in terms of homeschooling, I would say, and when we're talking about these big classes, 1509 01:56:15,120 --> 01:56:19,200 classrooms where there's a lot of students, typically in these situations, you know, these 1510 01:56:19,200 --> 01:56:26,080 are not going to be, uh, educational institutions that is, uh, in terms of the demographic, uh, 1511 01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:30,000 wealthy in any way. For the most part, they're probably going to be in the lower, lower middle 1512 01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:36,240 or even poor. So to the realism of them homeschooling, taking their kid out and homeschooling 1513 01:56:36,240 --> 01:56:40,800 is probably not realistic at the end of the day. There are probably some exceptions that can do 1514 01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:45,440 that, but I probably would say it probably is not realistic, especially for those who have maybe even 1515 01:56:45,440 --> 01:56:49,280 one parent in the home and they're working all day. They just can't, they don't have the time or 1516 01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:57,120 resources to educate their student. So I would say in, in those situations, probably homeschooling 1517 01:56:57,120 --> 01:57:04,080 in those scenarios, probably is not that realistic, um, in comparison to, in comparison to, uh, 1518 01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:08,880 financing these institutions and compensating teachers better. Uh, so I'm just really talking 1519 01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:14,480 about the realism aspect of that situation, but I will say, you know, I don't, I don't dismiss the, 1520 01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:20,400 the, uh, efficiency of homeschooling and the potential that has, I feel like you probably 1521 01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:26,400 could even argue that if it's done perfectly, you could probably argue that a perfectly taught 1522 01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:32,080 homeschool student probably reaches higher peaks than a perfectly top public school student. 1523 01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:35,920 And I'm talking about public education, not private education or charter schools. 1524 01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:40,560 So I feel like that argument probably can be made. And that's strictly due to the aspect that it's a 1525 01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:48,160 personal educational, you know, environment where it's like one-on-one or one-on-two, depending on 1526 01:57:48,160 --> 01:57:52,400 if you have siblings and those scenarios at the end of the day will always be better in terms of 1527 01:57:52,400 --> 01:58:01,040 learning. Um, but overall, ideally, I probably would prefer that they go to an ed institution 1528 01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:09,040 to get their education because I do think that the socialization aspect is very important for me, 1529 01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:15,200 uh, as well as, as it looks like Paul is indicating as well. So that's where I come from, 1530 01:58:15,200 --> 01:58:19,200 but you know, I do see the validity of both arguments. I think all of us can at the very 1531 01:58:19,200 --> 01:58:24,880 least agree our current public education system is extremely strict. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, 1532 01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:30,640 like that, that should be a bipartisan, uh, uh, thing that does exist on the very few, right? 1533 01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:38,480 Yeah. So we got to fix it. I agreed. Fix it. We got to fix that. Um, so let's go into the last 1534 01:58:38,480 --> 01:58:43,760 topic of discussion and it kind of goes in hand in hand with the kind of another potential reason 1535 01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:48,640 why, uh, that these students are not caring about learning, not caring about education. 1536 01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:54,720 And that's due to technology more specifically, social media, right? So, uh, in terms of social 1537 01:58:54,720 --> 01:59:00,480 media and its impact in political discourse, it's, it's a wide encompassing, we all know this. 1538 01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:06,640 It's, and for the most part, I think you probably can argue that it's probably done more harm 1539 01:59:07,120 --> 01:59:12,240 than good in terms of proper political discourse. What do y'all think? 1540 01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:18,960 I would agree with that wholeheartedly. It is certainly done more ill than good. 1541 01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:26,960 Uh, yeah. I think, uh, go for it. Go ahead. 1542 01:59:29,680 --> 01:59:34,160 All right. So it's a, to, to, we're to kind of talk so we don't have that weird kind of 1543 01:59:34,160 --> 01:59:40,400 silence right there. Um, I've, I mean, I agree as well. I think it's done more harm than good. 1544 01:59:40,400 --> 01:59:46,000 And that's probably due to a lot of the things we, we already said in terms of the, um, 1545 01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:51,120 they're getting fed a lot of kind of things to think a lot of ideologies to think to kind of 1546 01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:58,320 indoctrinate themselves into whatever ideology they want to believe in. And in those situations, 1547 01:59:58,320 --> 02:00:03,280 the thing about social media compared to like an educational scenario where it's like a Socratic 1548 02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:09,920 situation that I kind of talked about earlier is that you can kind of embed yourself in these 1549 02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:16,080 edges of social media where it's an echo chamber. And that's probably one of the most problematic 1550 02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:21,120 things about social media. I personally have talked to someone in a podcast episode before 1551 02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:27,440 in terms of Twitter being a public square. And, you know, I think the importance of social media 1552 02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:34,640 should be the ability to interact with different people, not being finding a social media or a 1553 02:00:34,640 --> 02:00:38,800 subreddit is like, and thinking only one way. I don't think that's productive. I don't think 1554 02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:44,400 that's a good thing overall. So I think ideas need to be challenged. So with the fact that, 1555 02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:49,520 you know, we're having these situations where it's becoming an echo chamber. I think Paul said it 1556 02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:53,360 earlier today that people are getting pushed more and more to the radicals, more and more 1557 02:00:53,360 --> 02:00:59,360 to the extremes that overall, this doesn't really help, uh, political discourse. And, you know, 1558 02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:03,840 it doesn't really help kind of find any potential solutions to that. And I think that's the 1559 02:01:03,840 --> 02:01:10,560 potential solutions either. I think, oh, go ahead. So I think one of the, I totally agree with that, 1560 02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:17,520 but I don't necessarily think that, uh, especially something like Twitter is going to be the 1561 02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:24,000 solution or most, most social media is going to be the solution to that either. And the reason is 1562 02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:29,840 this, right? When you're caught up in these echo chambers, right? Uh, you're told how people are 1563 02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:34,800 going to behave and especially a platform like Twitter, I think it's getting better with, uh, 1564 02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:40,800 some of the things that Elon's done, like particularly allowing longer tweets. Uh, so he, 1565 02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:46,720 uh, bumped up the number and any, any particular CEO Twitter could have done that. Uh, he just 1566 02:01:46,720 --> 02:01:53,360 happened to be the one to do it. But when you have a context like social media, the only thing that 1567 02:01:53,360 --> 02:01:59,920 you can do is, is the short extreme bursts, right? So you have to make your point as essentially 1568 02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:05,360 belligerently as possible. And for somebody of the opposite spectrum, when they see that they're like, 1569 02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:10,560 ah, see, I knew they were going to be crazy. I knew they were going to take this extreme position. 1570 02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:17,040 And that actually creates a confirmation bias and it actually just pushes you further. So I think 1571 02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:23,200 the best thing to do is have conversations like we're having right now, long form in person with 1572 02:02:23,200 --> 02:02:27,600 nuanced abilities to say, you know what, I agree with this, not this. I agree with that, not this. 1573 02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:32,480 And I get to see your point, but this, this is the thing that's going to help that divide. 1574 02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:37,360 And unfortunately, a lot of people don't have the attention span to sit down and listen to a two and 1575 02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:42,480 a half or however long we've gone podcast. And that's very unfortunate. I think we should 1576 02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:48,080 incentivize something more like this instead of discourse. Uh, cause I mean, it's hard to read 1577 02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:55,040 sarcasm on tweets. There's several accounts that I follow, uh, who are very like satirical, but unless 1578 02:02:55,040 --> 02:03:00,000 you've listened to their podcasts and know how satirical they are, when you read their tweets, 1579 02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:05,200 it doesn't come off that way. It just comes off as belligerent. Um, and so even when it comes to these 1580 02:03:05,200 --> 02:03:09,600 kinds of more nuanced perspectives, a lot of times it just gets lost over text. Like I can't say how 1581 02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:13,760 many times it got in trouble with the lady because you'd text something and like, oh, I didn't read 1582 02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:19,360 it that way. Well, I meant it that way. Like, thank God for emojis at some point, but we don't 1583 02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:24,480 really have that kind of level of nuanced and tonal expression when it comes to something. 1584 02:03:28,320 --> 02:03:35,680 I think, um, I mean, you know, big government guy here, uh, these platforms just need to be like 1585 02:03:35,680 --> 02:03:41,360 grossly regulated. Like it's, it's just like getting like out of control. Like, uh, I don't really 1586 02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:46,000 care about the Twitter stuff. I'm not one of these liberals at like, uh, bitches and moans about how 1587 02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:51,520 Elon's running the joint. Right. I think that's like a bizarre for the most part, but what I will 1588 02:03:51,520 --> 02:03:57,520 say is, I mean, uh, these places literally are like almost destroying our country, dude. Like it's like 1589 02:03:57,520 --> 02:04:03,760 absolutely had a profound effect upon how people think and associate with each other. Like I 1590 02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:09,440 mentioned earlier, right? So you don't agree with the aspect of social media is being able to create 1591 02:04:09,440 --> 02:04:14,560 specific social medias for their specific ideology. You don't agree with that? No. Yeah. I mean, I'm, 1592 02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:21,120 I'm almost against it wholesale. Yeah. Like, uh, I guess this might be me being like a little bit of 1593 02:04:21,120 --> 02:04:27,200 an autocrat here, but, um, I really don't see much good in these things anymore. I think that, 1594 02:04:27,200 --> 02:04:31,040 you know, it's great to see your kids picture from like while they're living over in 1595 02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:39,600 Greece or whatever, but like, uh, I think that the negatives just far outweigh the goods. Uh, 1596 02:04:39,600 --> 02:04:43,760 and obviously this is not perfect world, so I can't get rid of it just in a dime. 1597 02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:51,280 So the regulation I would want to see at the very most is some form of like more stricter 1598 02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:57,200 moderation of extremes and possibly, you know, Jonathan, I will probably disagree on this, uh, 1599 02:04:57,200 --> 02:05:03,040 in reference to the first amendment, uh, take downs of radicals on these things, uh, even more 1600 02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:11,040 than they already are existing. That is a debate. That is 100% 100% like, uh, the, uh, I want to, 1601 02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:15,200 I want to hear what you said, because you kind of cut out for a second on me there. You said, 1602 02:05:15,200 --> 02:05:20,560 take down some of the more radical. You said, I would disagree with you. I think so. I mean, 1603 02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:24,720 like, so like, I am presupposing some conservative stuff here, right? And I apologize for the 1604 02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:29,040 assumption. Uh, I don't know how you feel about it, but let's say, for example, let's break some 1605 02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:35,520 bread here, right? Let's say we cut out like the Marxist, Leninist communist. Okay. And in exchange, 1606 02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:39,760 we also get the cut out, like the, the neo-fascists and stuff like that. How does that sound? 1607 02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:44,800 So I am not one of these conservatives. God bless you, man. 1608 02:05:46,320 --> 02:05:52,880 Free speech for anything. But I think the, um, I think we had very strict speech laws in this 1609 02:05:52,880 --> 02:06:00,720 nation for years, and I don't think, uh, the first amendment grants you the rights to be brash and, 1610 02:06:00,720 --> 02:06:06,800 and foolish. Um, I think we might, we might disagree a little bit on what's brash or foolish, 1611 02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:13,040 but at wholesale, I'm not one of these people that, uh, thinks that the first amendment gears 1612 02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:17,920 and teach you the right to say anything, however you want, whenever you want, wherever you want. 1613 02:06:17,920 --> 02:06:24,000 I think like obscenity laws, I think we should have things like that once again. Um, so I think 1614 02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:29,280 we actually would agree on some aspects of that. Yeah. Like to me, like the big issue I don't like, 1615 02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:34,560 right, is, um, how like a lot of these radical groups are starting to, um, like bring more people 1616 02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:41,120 in. I think this is actually, uh, more kind of, uh, in tune with like the far right in terms of 1617 02:06:41,120 --> 02:06:45,520 their like social media presence and how they bring in a lot more older people nowadays. But 1618 02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:51,920 for younger people, you still see like, um, you know, like, uh, these like far communist groups 1619 02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:55,600 that like get involved. You could like have like your, I don't know if you want to call them an 1620 02:06:55,600 --> 02:06:59,680 organization. I just see them as like kind of like a mass mob of types, but like you're like 1621 02:06:59,680 --> 02:07:05,440 Antifa types that kind of come around and mobilize through these things. Uh, these are people that 1622 02:07:05,440 --> 02:07:10,560 just don't belong on the platform at all. Um, and I, I believe that they really do poison the well. 1623 02:07:10,560 --> 02:07:18,720 My big issue with the, the, the moderation and the reason why I would lean more towards open debate 1624 02:07:18,720 --> 02:07:25,600 and things like this is because a lot of these, uh, facilities, a lot of these organizations such as, 1625 02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:33,760 uh, uh, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, they're owned by patently liberal people. And so when it comes to, 1626 02:07:33,760 --> 02:07:41,120 um, regulating that it tends to be, and you might disagree with me and that's, that's totally fine. 1627 02:07:41,120 --> 02:07:47,440 It tends to be the restrictions lean more on the conservative side and it's the conservative voices 1628 02:07:47,440 --> 02:07:54,880 that kind of get banned and shut out. Um, and I will totally full disclosure, right? Obviously I 1629 02:07:54,880 --> 02:08:01,360 follow more, uh, conservative people. Um, so they're the ones that I hear about when they get removed 1630 02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:09,680 from YouTube, Facebook. Uh, I don't know if, uh, the, a lot of liberals also got banned off Twitter 1631 02:08:09,680 --> 02:08:17,040 during the 2020 election or, or off Instagram or, but it seems to me, so it appears to me the way 1632 02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:22,800 that I perceive it tends to be more conservative people that end up off of the platform. Well, 1633 02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:30,480 I, so I think there's like some reason. So like I'll say, uh, there were plenty of like left-wing 1634 02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:37,760 people that would get banned off of like Twitter, for example, pre Elon for a while, like you had 1635 02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:43,600 like Marxist Leninist types that would like celebrate the killing of Tiananmen square protesters. 1636 02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:51,440 Very nice. Yeah. You know, like the just scum, uh, that would, uh, celebrate this type of stuff or 1637 02:08:51,440 --> 02:08:58,000 like praise the hall of the more or, uh, praise the camera rouge. Yeah. Like that kind of get executed. 1638 02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:05,520 Uh, but I will say like in terms of growth and I, I hope you can agree with me here, at least online 1639 02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:15,600 in terms of like political groups and, um, how do I put it? Like, um, political groups that exert 1640 02:09:15,600 --> 02:09:22,160 force, they kind of do have more of a tendency to exist on the right and organize through these. 1641 02:09:22,160 --> 02:09:27,040 You have an example. Yeah. So like, I would say like the proud boys is like a really great example. 1642 02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:34,000 So before they were actually banned, um, they use Twitter as well as I think discord for a very long 1643 02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:40,640 time to mobilize themselves until the Charlottesville thing had happened, which had caused like a great 1644 02:09:40,640 --> 02:09:47,040 crackdown. Now, when I'm talking about like the scale of these things, this isn't to delineate or 1645 02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:52,640 like, uh, kind of just like shoot down the left-wing groups, right? Because they obviously exist, 1646 02:09:52,640 --> 02:09:59,520 but in terms of scale and I think for potential of violence, uh, armaments and, um, even like 1647 02:09:59,520 --> 02:10:05,920 professionality, these, uh, far right groups are significantly, first of all, more abundant and, 1648 02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:10,960 um, they are usually the ones to get taken down more. Now, if we want to shift towards the layman, 1649 02:10:11,600 --> 02:10:17,280 we have like Pete, like election deniers and, uh, we have like the COVID stuff, right? These are 1650 02:10:17,280 --> 02:10:23,040 people that were obviously more over-regulated by social media, like without a doubt, uh, than liberal 1651 02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:28,400 parties, right? Like I can like fully admit that. With that said, I do want to say this, um, 1652 02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:34,720 a lot of you, you, there could be an argument made from the right and we don't have to get into the 1653 02:10:34,720 --> 02:10:40,320 anchors intricacies of this, but I want to kind of preface, I want to say this to kind of, kind of 1654 02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:47,200 establish a potential understanding from someone, maybe from the right is some, they do see other 1655 02:10:47,200 --> 02:10:54,240 things as far left and radical that probably a lot of people in the left and liberal don't deem nearly, 1656 02:10:54,240 --> 02:10:59,040 don't deem as radical. For example, like you mentioned some, and I think a lot of people 1657 02:10:59,040 --> 02:11:04,880 would agree, but you know, a person on the right would say, you know, regarding trans stuff and, 1658 02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:12,080 and, and kids and trans issues with kids and LGBTQ stuff, um, certain things can be, they would 1659 02:11:12,080 --> 02:11:18,960 deem far left radical. And the consensus probably in the general public is that it's not radical. 1660 02:11:19,680 --> 02:11:27,200 So in that situation, um, when it kind of, when violence is something that's kind of talked about, 1661 02:11:27,200 --> 02:11:31,200 I feel like we all can agree. Yeah, that's probably not good for the platform. Well, 1662 02:11:31,200 --> 02:11:38,000 when it's ideological based, when it's purely just ideology and I don't have stats to confirm or 1663 02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:43,920 deny, so I'm just going to ask a question. Do you feel like at the very least before Elon, 1664 02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:49,200 do you feel like in terms of just pure ideology, do you feel like there was any side that was 1665 02:11:49,200 --> 02:11:53,840 getting treated worse than the other? Yeah, I definitely think the right was, uh, treated with, 1666 02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:59,600 uh, significantly more moderation. I don't think that is, uh, deniable at all. No. Okay. Yeah. I 1667 02:11:59,600 --> 02:12:04,560 just wanted to ask the question. No. Yeah. Like, like I, I'm very honest about this thing, right? 1668 02:12:04,560 --> 02:12:09,040 Like, uh, maybe if I was on like a podium in front of my base, I probably wouldn't say that 1669 02:12:09,040 --> 02:12:14,400 out loud, right? But like amongst you, amongst you guys, of course, like, uh, the big thing to note 1670 02:12:14,400 --> 02:12:19,040 is just, you know, simply that it is a reality, right? This is like something that does actually 1671 02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:26,240 kind of exist. Um, that being said, uh, I will say like, you know, I did, I did, I do side with 1672 02:12:26,240 --> 02:12:32,400 the moderation, for example, of the skepticism of the election. Um, I do side with the moderation 1673 02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:38,800 for that of the vaccines, right? Uh, do I think these things do better for society itself, uh, 1674 02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:44,640 through moderating it? Um, maybe for like the discourse, no, because when you censor these 1675 02:12:44,640 --> 02:12:50,400 voices, it can actually drive them to further radicalization. But I think the number one idea 1676 02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:55,680 that a lot of these social media companies kind of had was, uh, first off, you know, obeying by 1677 02:12:55,680 --> 02:13:00,480 their advertisers that, uh, wanted them to, you know, enact these measures. And then number two, 1678 02:13:00,480 --> 02:13:08,480 uh, if there was some sort of, uh, civil, like, what's the word for it, civil care and like, hey, 1679 02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:13,920 you know, we got to get this done. If, uh, I think that there was some sort of care in that, you know, 1680 02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:18,240 more people should get the vaccine and less people die. Right. And I think that that was a perfectly 1681 02:13:18,240 --> 02:13:24,880 fine decision to moderate on with the election. I absolutely believe it. Right. I, uh, wholesally 1682 02:13:24,880 --> 02:13:30,880 think that, um, that is not a thing that should proliferate itself on social media whatsoever. 1683 02:13:30,880 --> 02:13:35,360 I think that that's something that needs to be snuffed out through at least the private companies. 1684 02:13:35,360 --> 02:13:40,240 Uh, and it should be only, uh, spread verbally on the phone or on television. Right. But in these 1685 02:13:40,240 --> 02:13:45,840 spaces right now, like this election denial stuff has gone absolutely out of control and I'm fully 1686 02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:50,560 on the side of these social media companies to censor these voices. It's something that should 1687 02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:58,720 not exist whatsoever. So I do want to kind of step away from the content moderation talking point, 1688 02:13:58,720 --> 02:14:03,120 um, because I want, that's probably should be an episode in itself. What we deem, 1689 02:14:04,160 --> 02:14:09,760 oh, the first amendment, what it protects, what content should be on social media. I feel like 1690 02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:14,720 that's a whole, that would be a very, very good debate. I think. Yeah. Yeah. I have a lot of 1691 02:14:14,720 --> 02:14:21,760 thoughts about it as, um, too, of course, but my thing in kind of content moderation is definitely 1692 02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:26,800 a potential solution. Finding that line is like I said, a future talk and put what that line is. 1693 02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:32,960 But I do think Jonathan did bring up a great thing in terms of having more content creators or more 1694 02:14:32,960 --> 02:14:39,760 people on social media being willing or absorbing, you know, these types of conversations in terms of, 1695 02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:45,040 you know, learning about these different viewpoints, seeing how people interact, 1696 02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:50,880 even though they disagree and how you can be similar. And when you're at interacting with 1697 02:14:50,880 --> 02:14:55,200 someone you disagree with, you know, seeing that in front of you can really kind of shed a, 1698 02:14:55,200 --> 02:15:00,960 a sense of imagery of how you should be in terms of political discourse or on just general 1699 02:15:00,960 --> 02:15:07,200 conversation for the most part. Um, in terms of social media, I'm going to focus on Twitter 1700 02:15:07,200 --> 02:15:11,280 because I feel like Twitter is like the go-to social media now, now at the end of the day, 1701 02:15:11,840 --> 02:15:18,640 in terms of conversation. Uh, so with that said, are there things in Twitter that they can implement? 1702 02:15:18,640 --> 02:15:22,880 I know Twitter space is a thing. I feel like that could possibly be helpful, but are there other 1703 02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:28,560 things that Twitter can implement into their social media platform to kind of incentivize more 1704 02:15:28,560 --> 02:15:34,720 conversation, incentivize more discourse? And I know you brought up increasing the character limit 1705 02:15:34,720 --> 02:15:38,960 and that definitely could be something, but is there anything that any other thing that you guys 1706 02:15:38,960 --> 02:15:45,840 have in mind that could be helpful as well? I think those two things really, really helped 1707 02:15:45,840 --> 02:15:51,440 do the trick, uh, allowing the, the actual verbal conversation and allowing the greater character 1708 02:15:51,440 --> 02:16:00,720 limits. I think the community notes are funny. Uh, I don't know. Yes. Pretty good. Actually. 1709 02:16:00,720 --> 02:16:06,800 Yeah. I don't know. Does anyone actually hear like John, do you know how they work by any chance? 1710 02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:10,560 Cause like, I have no idea. I think you have to have a paid account to be able to do it. 1711 02:16:10,560 --> 02:16:15,200 Okay. That makes sense. It was what I understand. A lot of the things, which is great because Twitter 1712 02:16:15,200 --> 02:16:20,560 was headed for total bankruptcy. And so him creating these subscription things. Uh, but I 1713 02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:25,200 think a lot of the cooler features you have to have the paid accounts to do. Which is very fair. 1714 02:16:25,200 --> 02:16:30,560 Also with the paid accounts, you can upload like two hour podcasts on them as well. Right. So 1715 02:16:30,560 --> 02:16:37,440 they giving a lot of, you know, more tools and resources for them and incentivizing it pretty 1716 02:16:37,440 --> 02:16:43,120 well as well. The community nuts. I think they're a great touch. Uh, especially with like these 1717 02:16:43,120 --> 02:16:47,040 different articles and go like, bro, what is going on? Then I see the community that's like, 1718 02:16:47,760 --> 02:16:52,560 interesting. Okay. So, you know, it could be a humorous or it could be informative depending 1719 02:16:52,560 --> 02:17:01,680 on who you're asking. Um, other than that, I mean, if Twitter is, if Elon stay, even though I don't 1720 02:17:01,680 --> 02:17:06,160 agree with the aspect that Elon makes his political idea, political viewpoints known on Twitter, 1721 02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:13,200 I don't agree with that being the CEO. Um, regardless, if Twitter keep kind of really 1722 02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:19,920 represents itself as a public square properly in allowing these different voices being heard and 1723 02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:26,160 allowing these different discourse, do you think by Twitter really establishing that mark and 1724 02:17:26,160 --> 02:17:31,840 increasing, but potentially increasing even more in popularity? Do you think that would be a good 1725 02:17:31,840 --> 02:17:39,280 gateway to other social media platforms and how to be? I hope Elon just buys them all. Oh, well, 1726 02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:44,080 I think the good gateway, I guess this is like me being the pessimist. I think the good gateway is 1727 02:17:44,080 --> 02:17:48,880 the fact that Twitter probably is going to actually die. It's not doing so well on market right now. 1728 02:17:48,880 --> 02:17:52,160 Um, Twitter blue hasn't generated enough money as far as I know. 1729 02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:58,160 Well, if wouldn't that be have the opposite effect of Twitter dies, then people probably just create 1730 02:17:58,160 --> 02:18:03,760 more social media platforms for specific ideologies. No, I think that they're gonna, 1731 02:18:03,760 --> 02:18:08,240 there's just going to be like another market actor that comes out to mirror that of Twitter. 1732 02:18:08,240 --> 02:18:12,160 I think that obviously like, you know, you're going to have your truth socials out there, 1733 02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:18,560 right? But like, uh, there's still going to be some sort of like kind of concerted image 1734 02:18:18,560 --> 02:18:24,320 or like a distorted area that obviously will probably have like a slightly liberal bend to it, 1735 02:18:24,320 --> 02:18:27,840 right? At least like through the corporate ownership, but it's still going to be something 1736 02:18:27,840 --> 02:18:32,240 that like exists, right? Like even underneath, I think it was Dorsey, was he the guy that you 1737 02:18:32,240 --> 02:18:37,440 saw on Twitter? Yeah. Yeah. Like underneath Dorsey, like we can all agree it was like a, 1738 02:18:38,560 --> 02:18:44,880 like a liberal slash slightly liberal platform, especially in its early days, right? Like where 1739 02:18:44,880 --> 02:18:48,960 literally fucking anything goes. Same thing could be said for Reddit. I mean, does anyone here 1740 02:18:48,960 --> 02:18:55,600 remember r slash fat people hate? Like it was like a real thing, right? So yeah, I've never used, 1741 02:18:55,600 --> 02:19:00,800 I can't, I don't even think I have a Reddit account. Yeah. So I just found out about this. 1742 02:19:00,800 --> 02:19:05,760 I was reading a New York times article. I like used it briefly when I was in high school, 1743 02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:11,120 but that's about it. But I found out that it was just not moderated at all. So I think that these 1744 02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:15,600 are surprised. Oh yeah. I think that these are things that are going to kind of develop in 1745 02:19:15,600 --> 02:19:20,800 Twitter's absence, unless like, you know, the site gets just like requisitioned by someone else 1746 02:19:20,800 --> 02:19:26,960 and like just downsizes itself like a tenfold, but I trust in the market to produce something, 1747 02:19:26,960 --> 02:19:31,200 right? I guess that's the something that's surprising for me to say, but I do think that 1748 02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:37,040 it is going to come out. I don't know because like you, there's a perfect kind of example of 1749 02:19:37,040 --> 02:19:43,440 this situation going on right now with Twitch kick and rumble. So Twitch is obviously always 1750 02:19:43,440 --> 02:19:48,160 lean left in terms of how they moderated specifically. I'm not talking about ideology, 1751 02:19:48,160 --> 02:19:52,880 but based on their moderation, people are advertisers. Yeah. Yeah. So they always lean left. 1752 02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:58,960 But it's for a lot of people. Now they're switching over to kick and kick is completely 1753 02:19:58,960 --> 02:20:04,400 different in terms of their moderation. They're way more open. Sure. They have a modern certain 1754 02:20:04,400 --> 02:20:09,440 moderation, but they kind of allow things to kind of go for the most part in comparison to Twitch. 1755 02:20:09,440 --> 02:20:14,080 So the moment they saw Twitch and it's like, all right, that you guys are doing this, 1756 02:20:14,080 --> 02:20:18,960 I'm going to just go the opposite direction and do something different. And now they're just 1757 02:20:18,960 --> 02:20:23,360 taking, I don't know if kick was survived to be fair. I don't know if that will be, if we survive 1758 02:20:23,360 --> 02:20:29,840 the test of time, but now they're because of now their promise of hourly wage now due to getting 1759 02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:38,640 all these influencers like XQC, Aiden Ross, Destiny and in rumble too, but that rumble is 1760 02:20:38,640 --> 02:20:43,760 more of a conservative platform to be fair. So with that situation, they saw what Twitch is doing 1761 02:20:43,760 --> 02:20:49,120 and with the opposite direction. So if they succeed in the market says, okay, just do the opposite of 1762 02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:54,800 what the status quo was. The question is though, how long are these things going to like be this 1763 02:20:54,800 --> 02:20:59,200 way? Right? Like I'm sure we can all agree here that they've been, they're going to have to bend 1764 02:20:59,200 --> 02:21:04,480 the knee to advertisers like eventually kick is shelling out large amounts of money right now. 1765 02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:12,720 And it's going to need to pay that back with the revenue gained through streams. And that's going 1766 02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:19,520 to come through the advertising money, right? And advertisers, whatever deal they have right now, 1767 02:21:19,520 --> 02:21:23,360 they're going to need more to grow. And it's going to be the same thing that happened with Twitch. 1768 02:21:23,360 --> 02:21:27,120 Like, I don't know if you remember the older Twitch days, but like you could, you used to be 1769 02:21:27,120 --> 02:21:32,320 able to have like a gun out on stream and like, you know, like down a beer or something like that. 1770 02:21:32,320 --> 02:21:36,800 I, God forbid in this American country, you can't do it anymore on stream. Like, I mean, 1771 02:21:36,800 --> 02:21:40,880 it's like a nightmare. Yeah, that's a great point because at the end of the day, 1772 02:21:42,720 --> 02:21:51,520 whether you agree with it or not, the, the, the influence of ESG and CEI scores 1773 02:21:51,520 --> 02:21:57,040 is, is there, and a lot of them have a huge influence on all the, all the businesses that 1774 02:21:57,040 --> 02:22:03,680 you could think about. So with what Paul said, if kick wants advertisers, maybe they would, 1775 02:22:03,680 --> 02:22:07,520 they could go rumble around and just look for a conservative advertiser. Sure. 1776 02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:12,400 But even then with that stuff, like the big issue rumble is going to have like as a platform, 1777 02:22:12,400 --> 02:22:17,920 it's the same thing that truth social is running into. Right? Like the only advertisers that they 1778 02:22:17,920 --> 02:22:24,080 can get are usually conservative advertisers or that of like East Asian companies, right? That 1779 02:22:24,080 --> 02:22:30,160 like a deal in advertising. Otherwise it's very difficult. And the problem is, is that these, 1780 02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:34,480 these companies themselves are kind of like faltering with some of the struggles that GOP 1781 02:22:34,480 --> 02:22:40,480 is going through right now. And that hurts these, these like platforms to actually develop themselves. 1782 02:22:40,480 --> 02:22:45,040 Right. Especially if they lose like big pieces of talent, like rumble right now is probably 1783 02:22:45,040 --> 02:22:51,600 going to lose Andrew Tate regarding the recent, and not, and not indictment. Yeah. The indictment 1784 02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:59,120 that happened. So, yeah. So I know Elon, Elon said this, I don't, I have to remember the exact 1785 02:22:59,120 --> 02:23:04,320 words, but he wanted to, his initial proposal way back in the day before he actually acquired 1786 02:23:04,320 --> 02:23:11,280 Twitter is to turn Twitter into a platform where it's somewhat like owned by the people. I forgot, 1787 02:23:11,280 --> 02:23:17,760 forgot exactly his words, but in that, in that sense, you know, it's, if it's owned by the people 1788 02:23:18,080 --> 02:23:25,200 not, not owned by like, you know, a corporation or stakeholders. Do you think that if a social 1789 02:23:25,200 --> 02:23:30,800 media platform has ran that way, the general premise, the kinks we could talk about at a 1790 02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:35,760 different time, but the general premise, do you think that would be better overall for 1791 02:23:35,760 --> 02:23:43,280 political discourse? I think so. Yeah. I think so too. All right. Elon, make good on your promise. 1792 02:23:43,280 --> 02:23:48,800 Make Twitter, allow Twitter to be owned by the people. And then it'll be the perfect public square. 1793 02:23:48,800 --> 02:23:55,200 Right. Perfect. I mean, obviously there's risk, right? But yeah, I think, I think with the way 1794 02:23:55,200 --> 02:23:58,880 they're making money right now, I think it's kind of necessary. And I think that it could yield 1795 02:23:58,880 --> 02:24:04,400 something, right. It would be worthwhile to see for other firms. And I think that's, I think 1796 02:24:04,400 --> 02:24:09,120 worthwhile to see for other firms to like look at and base themselves on. Like Reddit's currently 1797 02:24:09,120 --> 02:24:14,000 doing it right now. In that article I read, they're making it to where people can vote out 1798 02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:19,440 moderators now, which is just crazy. That's hilarious. Cause moderators are annoying. 1799 02:24:19,440 --> 02:24:26,000 I don't know. Let me tell you. They're just like thugs, dude. Like, I don't understand it, man. 1800 02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:30,400 Bro, they be hustling people's like, you want to post on this, right? 1801 02:24:30,400 --> 02:24:37,920 They do that shit for free, man. Like, come on. Oh Jesus, bro. That'll give you a start. All right. 1802 02:24:37,920 --> 02:24:43,520 Well, with that said, I feel like, you know, a lot of things that were discussed is, had a lot of 1803 02:24:43,520 --> 02:24:49,520 value in terms of kind of diving into the current political discourse and how toxic it is. And we 1804 02:24:49,520 --> 02:24:54,880 kind of went through a lot of different routes and the importance of establishing values at the family, 1805 02:24:54,880 --> 02:25:00,080 the different ways to make education a more legitimate way to kind of, at the very least, 1806 02:25:00,080 --> 02:25:06,400 develop the mind, kind of enforce critical thinking and potentially spread important ideas too. 1807 02:25:06,400 --> 02:25:12,000 And even social media, there are ways to make that more efficient, whether it's content moderation, 1808 02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:18,640 whether it's the different content like this podcast, enforcing the importance of political 1809 02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:25,280 discussion and nuanced conversation, or whether it's Elon making Twitter, allowing Twitter to be 1810 02:25:25,280 --> 02:25:30,160 owned by the people and making it a true public square. There are ways to kind of remedy these type 1811 02:25:30,160 --> 02:25:35,760 of situations from the political discourse, but all these things are going to take time, of course. 1812 02:25:35,760 --> 02:25:42,240 And all these are going to require, at the very least, being involved, having conversation and 1813 02:25:42,240 --> 02:25:47,680 gaining proper experience and perspective. So any last words before we wrap it up? 1814 02:25:48,480 --> 02:25:54,160 Thanks for having me on. I mean, it's an absolute pleasure to talk with you guys. And I should say, 1815 02:25:54,160 --> 02:25:56,880 Jonathan, thanks for bouncing back with me, man. I appreciate it. 1816 02:25:56,880 --> 02:26:05,920 Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I love this great podcast. I think, like I said last time, what Riddell does 1817 02:26:05,920 --> 02:26:12,400 here is good having people with differing opinions. I think only good things can happen as long as we 1818 02:26:12,400 --> 02:26:19,680 remain respectful. For sure. Exactly. We joke around, be nice, or get a little heated based on 1819 02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:27,760 what we're talking about. But at the very least, we can respect each other on what's. So hope you 1820 02:26:27,760 --> 02:26:32,480 guys enjoyed everybody who's listening, watching or watching it live. Hope you guys all enjoyed. 1821 02:26:32,480 --> 02:26:39,040 Of course, go to the podcast, podcast, Spotify and radio five stars. And of course, check out 1822 02:26:39,840 --> 02:26:44,160 what Jonathan going on. I know he has a podcast. I don't know if Paul, you have anything to plug, 1823 02:26:44,160 --> 02:26:48,720 but Jonathan, make sure to tell the people what your podcast is about. 1824 02:26:48,720 --> 02:26:57,760 Yeah, the podcast is called The Classic Life, and soon there will be a magazine journal to go out 1825 02:26:57,760 --> 02:27:04,320 with it so you can find all of that on my social media platforms. All right. Excellent. Paul, 1826 02:27:04,320 --> 02:27:09,440 you got anything? Oh, no. Yeah, I'm just here for the ride. Yeah, he's a private guy. Don't look him 1827 02:27:09,440 --> 02:27:16,640 up. So that said, I hope you guys enjoyed. You all have a good one. Take care. I am glad you're here 1828 02:27:16,640 --> 02:27:23,440 and I'm glad you were listening to today's podcast episode. My mission in each and every one of these 1829 02:27:23,440 --> 02:27:30,720 episodes is to really focus on the solutions to some of the biggest questions and most controversial 1830 02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:37,680 topics going on in our current society. I feel like most of these conversations are not truly 1831 02:27:37,680 --> 02:27:45,920 being discussed in a more logical and respectful manner due to the political toxicity that goes on 1832 02:27:45,920 --> 02:27:52,560 with both the left and the right, both the Democrats and the Republicans. In this podcast, 1833 02:27:52,560 --> 02:27:59,760 I don't care about any of that. I am focused on the solutions. I'm focused on bridging gaps. 1834 02:27:59,760 --> 02:28:05,280 If you want to join me on this journey, if you want to discuss some of the most important topics, 1835 02:28:05,280 --> 02:28:11,920 if you are tired of the political toxicity and negativity from both sides, please support this 1836 02:28:11,920 --> 02:28:21,520 channel, share the podcast and go to my website, www.purplepoliticalbreakdown.com. I appreciate 1837 02:28:21,520 --> 02:28:26,560 the support. I'll continue to make content and hopefully we can start bridging these gaps and 1838 02:28:26,560 --> 02:28:42,560 focusing on real issues going on in our world.