#29 - Supreme Court Blocks Joe Biden's Student Relief Program and how College Education is Losing it's Value

00:00:00Welcome to the Purple Political Breakdown. I think college's worth is still the same. I just think that people are recognizing that they themselves aren't adequate enough for it or they just know their own self worth and they know that there's better places for them. When you go to college, I feel like it should be done purposeful. I think it should be done with an attempt to further yourself in a specific area.00:00:29I would rather have us scaring students from college, right, and telling them this is the fail rate of economics one. This is the fail rate of economics two, right? Are you ready for this? I would rather have them do that than being put into abject poverty because of the loans they take out. Do you want a great website like this?00:00:50This is my podcast website where I direct the audience to come to watch the content, listen to the content, read the blogs, and much, much more. 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And today's conversation is going to be extremely interesting as we plan to talk about the student debt relief program, college tuition, college education and our thoughts about it and potentially maybe some solutions on how to make this system a lot more efficient for the students out there, for the people. So we're going to discuss that of course, and talk about some what you need to know current event segments. Today. I have my co host Paul here with me, Jonathan will not be here today.00:03:11He had something to do. But me and Paul are here to hold it down. So how are you doing, my man? I'm all right. How about yourself, man?00:03:19Doing well, doing well. Having the day off tomorrow helps, so we're just going to be chilling after today's show for the most part, you know what I'm saying? For sure. Are you big firework guy? Oh, dude, trust me.00:03:32I'm a power technic. Are you big ones? Oh, yeah. I got like a trash can full. Okay.00:03:41Where you're from? 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So Supreme Court pushed or ruled in favor of that individual. So that kind of goes into the aspect of freedom speech. I'm curious to see what Paul thinks about that.00:05:59Of course. And another decision that we're going to talk about is relating to the student debt relief program that we'll discuss in a minute. And of course, the situation that happened in France. There is a whole kind of shooting riding circumstance in France. There's a 70 year old named Naheel, I have no idea how to pronounce the last name.00:06:21And we'll talk about that a little bit circumstance with the cop shooting and a lot of riots, 45,000 cops got launched to stop the riots. Military personnel as well. So a lot of stuff going on, of course. So what do you think about what's going on, Paul? What do you think about the current event?00:06:42I actually didn't know about the ESPN thing. It's sad to see Max go, but aside from that, I know we're going to delve into the topic some more, but on the matter of legislation in Colorado or the mandate from the Supreme Court in Colorado, I find it disappointing. Right.00:07:05To me, I understand religious obligation just as much as the next guy. Right. But I kind of worry for a lot of these kids that might be in a town where they're surrounded by such piety and it restricts their ability to actually live a life. I feel like this could be potentially another step in that direction.00:07:27Very interesting. Um, I also am with you when it comes down to it's, a touchy line, especially what you expand that type of sentiment where I can choose people based on obviously religion is kind of the staple of they are not with the same sex stuff, they're not with the trans stuff. So there is at least some type of foundation that you can reliably connect it to regardless if more services use the same type of sentiment. How far are we going to go? Let's say more organizations like Chickfila, right.00:08:13Chickfila is famous for being really Christian. No chickfila on Sundays. What if they go like, yeah, we don't want to serve Chickfila to gay people. It will get a little touchy there. It'll get a little touchy there.00:08:27So I think this one I guess the big difference for this one is they're designing a message so they're out basically physically making a message that they don't believe in, which is a type of speech. So I think that you could argue that's a little bit different. But we'll see kind of how far it goes. Of course. Well, obviously the big concern is if it transcends the actual synthesis of what's being created and is targeted upon the individual.00:08:58Right. That's like the fear liberals like myself have and where what if it goes beyond just that fear of promoting homosexual ideas or whatever, right. And actually just starts to simply be a discrimination against homosexuals entirely? That's like what we kind of fear and we feel as if that this could set a precedent for it. And that's like our main concern for the most part.00:09:23Yeah. Another interesting factor with this too, because this is probably more so always going to stay something that is more local, more small, more private in terms of the organizations or private businesses that are going to upheld this type of themes because obviously we talked about it before with ESG and the CEI scores. They'll never allow this. If you're a big company and ESG got stakes into you, you're never going to do something like this. So you have this one obviously big entity that basically influences every major corporation you can think of that says none of you all are going to do anything like that.00:10:08And then you have this ruling that says, okay, if you're a private business that's really embedded in your Christian or Muslim or whatever values and if you really just don't want to create this message, a type of speech on behalf of them, then sure. So that contradiction is going to be interesting, especially if, let's say okay, my question, I'm curious to what your thoughts about this in the future, do you think people will put the financial opportunity more so in front of their belief? Like, for example, you maybe have an individual who's trying to grow his social media organization. Or let's make this a little bit more specific to this situation. Maybe he's a website designer and he wants to be one of the best website designers ever.00:11:03And in order to grow his business, he's going to have to get investors. And one possible investor are of the people from ESG. Do you think in the future, in these situations, do you think they'll just sacrifice their beliefs just to get that bag? I think it's wholesalely dependent upon kind of like the economic status of the country. Right.00:11:26So like for example, people might feel more comRadelled to go against ideological convictions that they hold if it warrants them actually their business surviving. Right. So something I kind of talked about in the past podcast that we've done, past episodes rather, is that there's this general notion that kind of like the American middle class is dying and a lot of these business owners are part of that. So I think that to forecast for you, I think it's highly probable that this is something that will happen because we already see it happen today. Right.00:11:59We see a lot of businesses that once didn't serve certain groups of people serve them now. Right. A lot of it's long forgotten, not just because the government told them to, but because the economy did kind of work out in that way. So yeah, it's something that's there. Yeah, I definitely feel that too.00:12:18So ultimately I do understand the fear. But when you take that into account, the legitimacy of this being an issue at any point, especially when you look at the people who may want to get this service from this one individual, I guarantee that they'll be able to get it from another individual just as easy. So we'll see if it ever expands past what is currently going on. And if it does, I am more than interested to revisit that type of conversation with. That said, another part that we talked about a little bit before the show started was the France situation where a 17 year old was shot down.00:13:00And there's really not a lot of evidence in terms of what he did. From my understanding, that kind of contributed for him to get stopped in the first place, for him to be held at gunpoint in the first place. We don't know exactly that circumstance, but from what we do know, how do you feel about the situation? Are the people overreacting? What is your opinion?00:13:23Paul? Well, as to the general police investigation, I trust the French Republic to actually sufficiently make a judgment on it, which I'll probably consider to be the correct view. Right. I believe that they are going to have the most information at the disposal, so that's followed through that. That being said, something I'll divert upon from some of my liberal colleagues is that the military just simply needs to be sent in and the protest needs to be crushed.00:13:52We have moved past a peaceful stage now, and just the wide scale property damage is enough to warrant this action. Considering also the fact that there's been numerous injuries, the needs to their order needs to be brought back. I think it's fine if people want to have a conversation, if want to get out there and talk about the issue at hand, especially through the legislature. And I understand one could say that a riot is a voice of the people, right. But it doesn't necessarily mean that a riot should continue going on.00:14:30These are things that we should immediately snuff out for the preservation of our state and society. Because just letting everything burn down to looters or just like activists that get caught up in the middle of it. Right. It doesn't matter. Damage is damage.00:14:48Violence is violence. It needs to be shut down immediately. So that's my general feelings on it. Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree. I think at any time you go beyond the protest, go beyond the message, go beyond the advocacy and start involving violence, as you said, especially to people or individuals that have nothing to do with the circumstance or situation at hand.00:15:15I think, like I said, we were talking about before, and I think you said, would you say like, 30 schools got burned down? 20 schools? It's kind of unconfirmed right now, but yeah, there was a lot of state property damage, which means, like, taxpayer dollars are quite literally being burned. Yeah. And at that point, you're just making things worse than they need to be, especially since the investigation, the cause of the scenario hasn't even been laid out as of yet.00:15:51No, I'm not saying like, the violence part, but maybe in terms of being upset, I would understand if it was a circumstance where the person based off the evidence was completely in the right. But we don't even know. You're just going completely reactionary from, more than likely a clip, more than likely some news coverage, which is the unfortunate situation here. And again, we're going to have to see what happens at the end of the day. I was going to say something, but I think I lost it.00:16:25But I think we're both agree for the most part that violence, especially situations like these, never really the right answer. And in this situation, when we don't know anything and personally, from the video, he did step on the gas. So I'm taking the position that it didn't seem like it was okay to do that in that situation, and it definitely made it worse. But we'll see what happens moving forward. So we're going to dive into the topic at hand.00:16:55Of course, we're going to be talking about the student debt relief program in addition to college tuition in general and how it's utilized in America and whether or not that's efficient, especially for the times currently. So there's a lot of conversations to be held there, of course. I guess the first question to be asked is do we agree with the Supreme Court ruling?00:17:21So I think constitutionally. Yes, I do. I wish John was here. He could probably enlighten us on this a little bit more. But to suppose that the Constitution enables such a thing to happen seems a little bit fallacious to me.00:17:39Politically, of course, though I'm wholeheartedly against it. This is like something that I want to be sustained. I think the Biden administration should take every step forward to continually delay things and just cause as much trouble as it needs to, to protect these Americans that are put in this debt. The fact of the matter is that so many people in this country have been so relieved from the finances being lifted off their shoulders, and it's really giving them an opportunity to actually venture out into their lives and develop their careers. So that's my genuine position on it.00:18:12Yeah, I'm definitely here. I think I'm very close with you legally, Constitutionally, from what that was said and from my understanding, a lot of the basis behind doing this revolved around something called the Heroes Act. And the Heroes Act basically gave the rights to the Secretary of Education to waive or modify the system based off, like, extreme circumstance. I e. COVID and the general argument has been said that it was beyond modification what the Secretary was doing, what Biden was doing.00:18:55And because of that, it wasn't that they were modifying the system as is. It was more like they were rewriting it entirely. And that itself is an abuse of power. So in that argument, I can't really say that's wrong. So it's really tough for me to say legally it's wrong to see how they go forward from that, especially trying to move away from COVID But look at education in general and look at the system and see if that's a system that's even good for the people and we discuss that.00:19:31I think that is probably definitely more of a should be more of a focal point. I think using COVID as the conversation starter could potentially be a good thing and then going from there. But to kind of go into the details a little bit more in terms of what the program provided, if you're living under a rock and you didn't know. So the idea was that it was going to forgive up to $20,000 of student debt for students, especially the ones that got the Radell grant, of course, got financial aid, and you could apply for it as well. And I believe around 16 million people got approved, and this will cost over $400 billion in general.00:20:17So that is a lot of money to some. And apparently the six conservative leaning states is what they said that kind of spearheaded to go to the Supreme Court were Arkansas, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, and South Carolina. So these are the states you can blame. Go ahead. You can blame them.00:20:39With that said, Missouri. I'm not surprised about Missouri. I think the senator in Missouri is Howley, right? Yeah. No, haley.00:20:48Haley is from Carolina. I swear he was Missouri. I was watching the oh, halle. You said halle? Yeah, no, yeah, Missouri, for sure.00:20:58Yeah. I was watching the little tangent, a little off topic, but I was watching the LGBT Senate hearing, and I'll try to watch I watched the first hour, and I'll go out these hearings are pretty interesting, but for some reason, they had a 16 year old come to the hearing to kind of plead her case. And I'm like, Bro, what is a 16 year old doing over here? She's going to get cooked bro.00:21:29We have a doctor. We have a leader of an adverse political group. We have the leader of the Human Rights Campaign, and then we have the 16 year old. I feel like something's not adding up right here. So, yeah, I plan to finish it later on.00:21:46So those are some of the details regarding it, of course. So we're going to see how it kind of goes from there. But I guess moving away from kind of COVID and the Heroes Act in terms of college tuition and what it does for people in terms of putting them in this massive debt, what are your general thoughts about that? So I think a lot of the problems that we have currently with rising payment cost for our university kind of dates itself back to colleges kind of overdeveloping their campuses to fit more students. And I'm not going to mention what university I went to, but I was at a developing university, and one of the big things that I experienced while I was there is the fact that my tuition would continually rise.00:22:38Even so much so that there are several instances in which the school actually upended certain programs related to either tuition or scholarships. So this is, like, something that is kind of frequent in this country. And I think that the kind of problem is that we're not actually regulating schools enough. These are things that serve the state for the most part. Like, we're talking about public universities here.00:23:02If you go to a private university and you get in debt, then I don't care about you. Right? Like, you should have known what you're getting into. Rip. That's me right here.00:23:10I'm so sorry, dog. Yeah, you got to pay the toll. I was just going with the flow. I was like, oh, this looks cool. Damn.00:23:21No, dude, I'm sorry, man. Yeah, but for state schools that are underneath government financing, there needs to be legislation upon it that actually kind of holds back some of its development until it meets certain criteria by the state. I think that's something that should make headway with it. So, for example, if you're going to a university that's funded by the state that has, like, a lower GPA or something like that, to expand your school and to expand tuition, you should probably have to meet a certain generalized GPA, four year degree certificates. Like, people are graduating in four years.00:24:02You have to meet a certain amount of people, like entering your master's program, and then I'd be in favor of that. But also, I think if there was just more state financing into the educational apparatus to actually pull out the student having to pay so much, I think that would be another great option. Socializing education is another conversation to be had. I'm still not really sure where I stand on it, but I think I'll kind of end it there just to clarify for the people. What do you mean by socializing education?00:24:31So socializing education is usually something that we refer to when we're talking about having complete state ownership over the schools and making it generally free to the public without a heavy burden in our cost. Right. Or just a significantly reduced payment. So, like, our European friends, for example, benefit from this the most. They went through, I think, somewhere around in the 50s for all these nations, roughly, and they managed to negotiate these things through.00:25:02And what it allows for is it allows for a very professional population to emerge. Right. The problem is that to pay for it requires an extremely large amount of taxation and can actually incur this professional population to move abroad for more wages. Yeah. At the end of the day, when it comes to basically any social program that anybody discusses best, believe raising taxes is going to be the forefront of how things are going to get funded.00:25:31At the end of the day, when it comes to college tuition and college education, my thing for it is that I definitely feel like there's a certain level of inefficiencies. Obviously, we're talking about the public school system more so than anything. And I do think personally that there should be like a complete overhaul in how the education system is done. I think at this point it's basically proven that our education system in America is one of the most inefficient. I feel like we reach pretty good highs, but everything in between is just like the below average or at the very least below our competitors that we want to compare us to in terms of the other countries around the world.00:26:17So in general, I think you should understand people. I'm not a fan of the public education system and I won't be a fan for a while. I think the education system is extremely inefficient. So with that said, when it comes to college, not advice, but in my opinion, when you go to college, I feel like it should be done purposeful. I think it should be done with an attempt to further yourself in a specific area.00:26:52The argument that I've heard in regards to going to college should be something that allows you to open up your perspective. It should feed into what you want to do for the rest of your life by going in $20,000 in debt, $30,000 in debt, $40,000 in debt. Their basic argument from what I've heard, is that you're going in debt to network and to experience things you haven't experienced before, when in all reality you can experience those things yourself. And either the school system or culturally based off the values that you're getting, based on the community you're in, should really enforce that in general to experience life a little bit more. Maybe you want to travel to other states.00:27:41Travel to other countries? Or put in place programs that incentivize getting more experience with different, more lower end levels. Such as? Maybe I don't think you need an undergraduate degree to kind of learn more about something it related, something marketing related, even something entrepreneurship related doesn't necessarily mean you need to go forefront all head into that. But at the very least you won't really figure out who you are until you kind of experience life before.00:28:13And this is a sentiment we've said many times on this podcast, where experience, where interactions, where growing your perspective is extremely valuable to kind of establish what you want to do or who you want to be moving forward with. That said, when it comes to the specialties, I think I'm pretty much all for specialties. You go to college and do I have a question that said I'm going to kind of pin this and ask you a question here, Paul. So in my opinion, I feel like there's an over exaggeration for you need for people needing to do certain types of precedent before diving into very advanced knowledge. I think people can actually do that at a pretty young age, but for some reason we kind of put on our idea that they have to do like x, Y and Z before they even get there.00:29:06So what is your opinion for people not even needing undergraduate degrees to go into these specialties, like a lawyer, like a doctor? Is there any other important graduate schools? Yeah, so I think that undergrads can serve a lot of purpose for people to actually see if they can make it in the first place. The sad thing is that the cost associated with it basically makes it pretty much unbearable for those who just want to try out. Right.00:29:40The reason why a lot of companies kind of hire people first with a college degree and then with your accreditation first, and then college degree after is because a college degree kind of serves as a means of saying, hey, look, I have the ability to actually surmount a lot of these things, like a very arduous path in public education. That being said, there are plenty of people that cannot go to school and still make it. Right. It's just that I think that school can actually adequately prepare you for it because it kind of offers an abundance of experiences like that, of connections like that, of programs to visit other countries at usually a lower dollar than what you'd have to pay conventionally, right. Because you can have different financiers come into the picture for the organization that you're a part of.00:30:30So I kind of find it to be important in that regard. Granted, people, if they aren't so confident in their school ability, they should pursue something like a trade school or something like that, right? They should pursue something like a technical school. But I still think that The Bachelor still stands on its 2ft and I think it's an adequate thing even if it's in the arts. I would even argue this is such an interesting discussion because I've definitely heard the data and I'm for the data when it comes to say that achieving a high school diploma to a bachelor's to a graduate degree or the more kind of levels that you achieve for yourself, obviously the income threshold of that individual is higher to the ones below them.00:31:20Obviously. But I don't necessarily think that's in part due to the experience of the education system itself, more so the individual being able to achieve that system just because of who they are. Stop right there. Yes, this is a little mini ad. 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I'm not sure I agree that there's things that undergraduates degrees can provide for you, and I think you just mentioned it, especially since it can do it in a very affordable way. In certain instances, like for example, back when I was in college, there are events they'll have in terms of networking where they'll bring in alumni or they'll just bring in other individuals, lawyers, politicians, whoever that they want to bring in so you can meet them firsthand.00:33:03You won't get that experience unless you go to college or unless you sign up for a networking event. You just have to do your own research to kind of get a hold of that and see if you can kind of make it for that situation or if it's traveling to a different country in those situations. You probably will never do that on your own, but because college could probably, whatever class it may be, you can do like a class regarding anthropology, anthropology and then travel to a different country. So I definitely understand that sentiment, of course, but at the end of the day, as we said before, I still just don't think it kind of excuses the tens of debt that people will go into if that is all they're gaining from it. So with that said, if I kind of implemented a system, and this is more like idealistic, of course, but I feel like it should be a discussion that should be held in terms of how the education system currently works.00:34:02If I implemented a system where we have the graduate school and law degree, if you want to get yours would have to be three years. So let's say fourth year, the first year of the four years is to kind of get you embedded with the program that is education law school, and then kind of establish some basics. And if you don't make it, you don't make it regardless. Even if you go to undergraduate school and then go to law school, you still won't make it if you're not like that. If you're not that guy, you still won't make it.00:34:35So if we just have that system, skip the middleman, won't save money in terms of undergrad degree, and then you can go straight into graduate. And I feel like an 18 year old will be more than capable if he's like that. What skills do you really think undergraduate degree can truly teach someone that prepares them for graduate school? That they can't learn either by themselves or from either high school or middle school. So research methodology is like a really great example of this, right?00:35:06Something that a lot of Americans don't just simply know how to do is how to actually conduct sufficient research on a subject matter, right? A lot of schools, for example, within political science, you have to use a program called SPSS that allows you to catalog data and format it to discover trends in what you've collected, right? For sociology they'll teach you how to actually engage in field studies in both, first off, an ethical manner so it actually can hold up within a journal. And then second off so it can actually produce something. These are all areas in which it actually kind of informs the individual.00:35:44Now, if we think for like medical people, of course, engineers, it's kind of obvious and it speaks for itself, right? Like they are learning some of the most bare bones engineering and then complex engineering later into their undergrad years to kind of formulate that, right? But that's kind of where it stands to kind of deliver this knowledge to these people. It kind of stands as this thing to get you ready for the big test that is something like a master's, that is something like a PhD where you actually produce something for the field.00:36:22I would say that in terms of law school, I feel like you could probably just learn those skills even in potentially high school. I mean, the research skills, as you said, law school is a little different. So I'm going to stay away from that because inherently there's nothing you need to do. You can get any degree in undergrad and go to law school. Do you have the technical skills, the skills to learn and research that is needed to be a lawyer and be on task and being able to kind of dive into all these material and that stuff?00:37:03You will learn just you'll either be able to do it or you won't be able to do it at a certain point. So I think the medical one and the technical one a little bit more is a little bit more interesting. Like you said, a trade school is a little bit different in general. So I wouldn't really consider that the same as like an undergrad situation. So mostly it's just a medical situation, medical school.00:37:29And to be fair, I don't know that as inherently in terms of what you actually retain from undergrad when it translates to whatever medical situation you go in, medical school is definitely probably one of the more intricate fields to go into when it comes to schooling. So I do think there's a valid argument there at the very least. But with that said, I would say that a lot of the things that people learn in terms of college can be argued kind of inefficient worthless. People say it all the time where they graduate college and don't do anything with their degree and when people make that statement. And a lot of people are making this kind of trendy with the evolution of social media and being an entrepreneur.00:38:22Is college losing its value? Are people going to tell their kids to go to college, moving forward as the generations go by? Well, you kind of brought up something before we get there where people don't really get much from their degree, and I'm going to sound like jonathan here, but it really is a question of personal responsibility for some, at least for political science. This is something that I kind of recognize. I came out of school with a fundamentally changed way of seeing political institutions, right.00:38:55My ideology didn't change, surprisingly. I've kind of been this way for quite some time. I'm very blessed to not have been indoctrinated or whatever, but this understanding of political institutions has allowed me to actually do what I do in politics now. Right. And it has applied there.00:39:17The problem is that a lot of people kind of sometimes don't have that geist in them, that dog in them. Right. And sometimes, for example, this is something I've observed a lot of people will be in school and not have care for the subject matter because they're there, because their parents have made it out to be that it is the only option that exists. And it distracts so much so, from the subject matter that it leaves someone feeling disillusioned. Right.00:39:47When it can't be farther from the truth that the subject matter is actually informative in and of itself.00:39:56One of the things, for example, that I kind of learned is, believe it or not, I learned that politics was about power through college. Right. I never understood what that meant until I went to school. I never got a full bearing on why political institutions act the way they do and how electorates actually work with their electors. And it really actually produced something extremely meaningful for me.00:40:25And by the way, this is devoid of that experience that I actually had with people that I met there. I'm just simply talking about the curriculum in and of itself, and I guess I might be in the minority because a lot of my peers sound the same way. A lot of my peers feel disillusioned. But, I mean, I'll be honest with you, man. If I ask any of my peers, did you read the class material?00:40:46A lot of them will say no, right. A lot of them kind of flagrantly pass through these classes because the teachers usually aren't that motivated, and only hyper fixate on students that do have motivation, and these other students feel left out, and they don't feel any rigor to actually get out there and read the material. So I think that sometimes it's hard to say that it's somewhat useless. Right. I think that there's quite a lot to be gained more than just what a professor would say, where it's like oh, it opens your eyes to certain things.00:41:20No, it can fundamentally change you so much in the way you see things that it can compel you to action. And that's the thing that I walked out of there with, as well as a bunch of peers that actually did pay attention. Now, that being said, what was the second end of the question? No worries. The second part was in regards to college, and I even forgot, not going to lie.00:41:45But with that said, there's something you said that interested me, and I need to expand a point that I said earlier, but I want to expand it for a reason, and that is in regards to the public education system being completely inefficient the things that you're saying. And I do think that when it comes to the college experience versus the high school experience, it's more focused on a particular topic because obviously you're choosing a major and all your classes are going to be centered around said major. And obviously that should be somewhat important considering you're going to need to make money, and that major is going to help you decide which job is going to be the job that you make money with. Right. High school in general, I don't know about your experience, but high school for me was just like, okay, choose a class.00:42:33Make sure it falls under this type of topic, like subject line, whether it's math, English, elective, whatever. So just a couple of umbrella subjects. Choose a class under that umbrella subject. If you're really good, maybe you go to the honors, AP, IB, whatever. In general, it's just a bunch of random classes that you're choosing within no inherent effect or impact on you.00:43:00Maybe it will. Maybe the history class will inspire you. Maybe the health class will inspire you. Maybe PE will save you from a boring day of schooling. Maybe that stuff will help.00:43:11But this kind of goes into my whole philosophy, if we reroute all of that to make it much more focused. I don't know if you and John was here, but maybe you were. I don't really remember. I feel like one of you guys brought up Australia as a perfect example with how they do their education system and how they kind of incentivize the young to kind of get focused on their learning material much, much early in their stages. And I feel like they're more than capable of doing that.00:43:41So with that said, if you kind of reroute all of that more particular learning, especially at a younger age, that kind of saves the resources and time and potentially tens of thousands of dollars of debt that you may go into college where you're basically, for the most part, going there just to learn certain skills or certain kind of gain perspective that you could have gained or learned back in high school, in my opinion, unless it's something like you said. I feel like you can only go so far in terms of high school, especially when we mentioned the medical situation, obviously, or like a trade school, obviously. Research, maybe. I would say maybe for some research purposes. But with that said, sure, it's a little bit idealistic, but I would be pro and I would advocate to kind of reroute the public education system and make it much more centered to say that if I deem this as a better way to kind of learn these relatively basic skills and consume this knowledge, you could have done at this age group.00:44:47Then if you kind of have that type of opinion that I could have gained this, from this. Or I could have gained this after high school, but not going to college then I can see why you would say that. College degree is useless. Especially when you don't do anything related to your college degree overall. And now I remember.00:45:07With me, Rambling. I remember. So that's why the idea with social media growing and I don't necessarily agree with the sentiment, but that's why people do or start buying into it with social media growing, with individual entrepreneurs, content creators growing, and the sentiment that anybody can be this you don't have to put thousands of dollars of debt, but you have to put on other things. But because of this kind of message where you can kind of do it this way and you don't have to go to college to learn useless skills and waste your time, I can see why that message is going to continue to grow and more people are going to adhere to it. And the next generation of parents that grew up on this I can see because I'm sure I don't know about your parents, but my parents would never say a be a content creator, but I can see the next generation saying it.00:46:03So that's why conversations is going to be interesting now generations down the line in terms of the loss of value of college. So the question was basically do you think college is losing its value? I really don't think so. No. I think that it might be losing its value in the sense of more people are realizing that they're not meant for school and that we're returning to kind of like a pre Vietnam War understanding of college as it's not the only option that you have on the table, right?00:46:36You can go to a trade, you can join the military, you can go straight into the workforce if you like. These are options before you. But I don't think that this is happening in virtue of the way college is set up. I think it's just happening in virtue of kind of like the natural way of things in which people just kind of recognize that they're not really meant for school, right? Like this is just not the thing that they're good at and for them not to really get much out of it is just like kind of like a failed investment, either on their part or in some cases, I'll say, the school's parts.00:47:11Like, for example, if you go to a bad school that doesn't really help you out that much, then sure that is on that school wholeheartedly. Right. I know people that went to, for example, University of North Florida, and they just can't shut the fuck up about how bad it is. Right. Some of them just hate it with all their heart, whereas if I talk to people that went to Florida State University, they'll just talk your ear off about, dude, this is, like, the real deal.00:47:39I'm getting genuine shit out of this. I met with an ambassador of Kenya yesterday, right? So it kind of pales in comparison there. But generally speaking, I think college's worth is still the same. I just think that people are recognizing that they themselves aren't adequate enough for it, or they just know their own self worth and they know that there's better places for them.00:48:04Right. Remember before Vietnam, we had many Americans that would simply just go straight into the workforce, join a trade, become a member of a union, and make a pretty good middle class life, do that and remain relatively happy. Now, what's the number one thing they tell you in high school? I'm sure you remember, bro. Right?00:48:20Hey, we got to get these scholarships done, right? We got to get all this stuff. Did you ever have Avid at your school by any chance? Was that, like, a thing at your school? Advid advanced via individual determination.00:48:32No, I didn't have that. Yeah, so Avid was a program in Florida that basically pushed students to get out there and just apply to as many colleges possible, and they never entertained other options until very recently. Right. This is the consensus that has been set up, right. And it hasn't demeaned college's worth.00:48:55It's just demeaned people's ability. It's completely overemphasized what some people's abilities are to actually get into academia. Right. Because not everyone can do it. That's, like, my main problem with it.00:49:07But I don't think school itself is losing its worth. No, I get where you're coming from. I 100% do, when you're saying in regards to college and when you're saying in regards to people just not being meant for school. I guess what I'm curious about and obviously this probably could be a discussion for later once we look into the data a little bit more. I'm curious about the percentage of people that are not that they're not fit for academia, but they lose passion for academia.00:49:45And I think that's such a key part in terms of learning or in terms of going to school is do you actually even care about what you're learning? And like I said earlier, I don't think it helps when you just have a scattered number of subjects that you have to learn about that play no factor into anything you're going to do for the rest of your lives. I e. Like I've said before, AP. Calculus.00:50:15I e. Maybe AP english. Right. So the ability to kind of figure out your passion earlier, I believe will be able to kind of create a larger pool of individuals that will be more than willing to continue the said passion to the next level. Whether that's undergraduate trade or graduate school or even entrepreneurship or at the end of the day, if you go into the passion that you were potentially passionate about, you go into the route.00:50:54It's like, okay, I'm a math guy. I'm going to go do the math things. You go get more and more advanced in math, and you soon realize, man, I mean, I like math, but I hate school more than I like math. Then obviously if that the most passionate thing that you're going to be passionate about is something that you still don't want to do because of the whole kind of aspect of school itself, then immediately you will know that you're not meant for school, you're not meant to continue this type of education. I don't think you will regain a passion by going to more education.00:51:30You may have regained the passion after experiencing life more and then kind of centering your values, but I think in general, that based on what you're saying in terms of the school system. With that said, based on what I said, I do think the school system is failing. And it's not really I think it's the system, especially since this school system has been here for quite a long time. I feel like once there's going to be new technologies and new ideas implemented and the new technology and the new ideas right now is obviously social media and obviously the potential idea that anybody could be a content creator. Right or wrong, these new ideas and this new technology start putting a microscope under college and its value and with something like the student debt relief program, which so many people are in support of, and I think it was like 55% people were in support of this.00:52:39And regardless of what you think, the idea is that, hey, man, if you're making college better for me, maybe I'll stick with it and not getting thrown out the door. I don't even know if Joe Biden is going to be able to kind of try again and get this passed through. I don't know which law or which act he's going to be able to enforce such a ruling unless he kind of reroutes the education system entirely, which I'll be all for, depending on how he does it. But I'm very curious to see what happens moving forward. And it's going to be Paul, it's not going to be your generation.00:53:15It's going to be the next generation and the generation after that that's going to have the microscope on education more and more and we're just going to have to see kind of where it goes from there. Well, I think the big solution, like I always say, for making general education better. Like, for example, you bring up kind of like the ineptitude of high school education and how it doesn't really amount to much. Right. I wholeheartedly agree.00:53:41Right. But I think that's just a problem, financing, right? I mean let me ask you a question, Adele. How many of your teachers do you remember really cared in high school? Like maybe like off a hand?00:53:54Right? Yeah, exactly. Right. Same boat for me. Probably like five, I think.00:54:00Right.00:54:03This is kind of like what I told John in our first discussion. And he knows this. Like he has family that are teaching. These people just don't get paid enough to care. Right?00:54:13A lot of them are in a position now where they just want to collect the pension and they just want to ride out the last few years. And we could do better than that. And that comes through congressional financing for federal school revampment, like getting all that money back into our schools and fundamentally changing it. That being said, throwing the conception of American University out the window, I don't think that will ever happen. Now for the final question.00:54:45How can Biden continue to delay it's? Quite simple. He just makes new legislation and just pins it out until it gets thrown out by the court and he just does it again and again. You know what? I'll tell you this, right?00:55:00I wholeheartedly condone it, right? I don't care how bad faith it is. I don't care about how kind of like scammy it will look. This is protecting millions of Americans and that's all that matters to me. Their social welfare, their ability to live happy lives is the number one object of my itinerary.00:55:19And no matter what it takes, even if it takes pissing off the court so much that they have to throw so much stuff into the fire and wasting its time, so be it, right? This is something I find to be noble.00:55:33I feel you there. I feel you there. I think the conversation of education tuition and its expenses is very similar to me to like, hospitals, right? When it comes down to healthcare, the health care conversation and the question of pouring all this money creates these amazing top universities. I e.00:55:57These amazing surgeons and gives them amazing technology and resources. Is it worth, at the end of the day, kind of bringing down the cost to kind of bring it down the top of the top? And that's the big question. But before or even in spite of us getting into that conversation, because I do think it's a very deep one in terms of the education system. We talked about how inefficient it is and in terms of teachers getting paid or maybe changing the curriculum, I'll more change the curriculum.00:56:36I am also in favor of teachers getting paid, but both of these ideas are definitely things that we just going to have to keep on pushing until someone just goes like, oh, yeah, fine, we'll do it, we'll do it. Or we're just going to send us to a kid, to a private school that does it. So we'll see kind of what works, but in terms of what does exist for the curriculum and the education system and a kid who goes to school and obviously has to plan out in that inefficient high school education system now he has to go to college, not sure what he wants to do. How do we make the process for these individuals easier to transition to college, potentially, or any other scope of life? What do you think we should do?00:57:24It simply comes through exposure and deliberate honesty of how these things actually work. What is the number one thing you were told about going to college when you first were going to get there? Right. They told you two things the experience that you'll have with peers and the friends you'll make, the parties, whatever, right. And then the second one being cramming for exams.00:57:47Right. One of these things can happen for sure and will happen to most students. The other is not always a constant and is, in my opinion, dishonest and is only used to incur more college admission. Right. To suppose that a student will get very unique social interactions through their college experience is a little bit bizarre.00:58:10Now, opportunities is a whole nother conversation, right? But that's not something that we're communicating to students. We should talk about opportunities that are available to students, but then we should also be deliberately honest with them and talk about how challenging the most important thing prerequisite classes are to students. How many friends did you have in school that couldn't pass their basic math classes in college and have the dropout? Do you know anybody that did it?00:58:34Because I could tell you a bunch of names. No. I went to a private school, so if they can't do that, I don't know why they're at this school. Okay? Yeah.00:58:42So, like, for example, I knew six guys that couldn't get past the college algebra classes, right? And it left them in such a state of disillusionment that they quit. If these guys had known that this is something they had to do, they might have had second thoughts. Right. Additionally, something else I'll say is maybe those classes should be degree dependent.00:59:04Right. Why does a political science major have to take a college algebra class? Right. The craziest part, okay, my cousin music teacher, now he was a music major. This guy had to take a PreCalc class for what, right?00:59:22It's not applicable. So if we want to talk about areas in which that can be fixed, there's one that can stand right ahead of you. Right. But the honesty of the system is also something that needs to present itself, because schools are just so deliberately dishonest about payment, about things like quality of life on campus and about the overall educational experience, right. And that to me alone is just so important for students to actually know if they can do it in the first place.00:59:53I would rather have us scaring students from college, right, and telling them, this is the fail rate of Economics One. This is the fail rate of Economics Two. Right? Are you ready for this? I would rather have them do that than being put into abject poverty because of the loans they take out.01:00:10Right. It's kind of like hospitals, right? They charge you for these massive expenditures without you even knowing the price. Similarly, it should be the same thing for pass rates. I was lucky enough to actually not have to take some classes because I was warned by professors that told me, but there's others where I just got washed.01:00:30So, yeah, that's all I got to say on that. It's interesting that you say that, and my knowledge is very surface level, so if anybody from Japan wants to inform me, feel free. But that's exactly what they kind of do, right? They scared the crap out of these students when it's test day, saying, yo, you got to pass this test to get to the next level. And it's like a whole kind of culture thing.01:00:58It's like, all right, study time. This is exam time. It's exam period. Everything is going to be about this exam and what we're about to do to prepare ourselves or make sure that they're ready. They're much more disciplined in that way.01:01:14And I do think you're onto something in regards to that, to really make it very realistic for people that there's a potentiality that you're going to fail, that you're going to go to college, you're not going to know what you're going to do. You're going to go in debt immediately. That first tuition, that first tuition, that first year, that's 20,000 immediately in your bank account. And if you failed, oh, man, oh, man, you just wasted a whole year immediately. Nothing.01:01:49So in that situation, I very much agree. So with that said, an idea popped into my mind, and we always have to look at a different lens when it comes to these solutions or circumstances is like the other side. And will they do it? Obviously, certain institutions have an incentive for these students to take X, Y and Z class, take their money for that class. Whether or not I feel like at this point, a lot of these institutions know that they're just wasting people's time.01:02:20But we're going to make a little bit extra side dollars with you taking this class, though. We're going to say this is a prerequisite for you to be a more well established citizen in America. Pre calculus. That's going to be so valuable. When you go out, it's so valuable.01:02:37So they know, obviously. But I think at the very least, I think something that could be argued is the idea of some type of kind of preliminary test. And I hate tests, but I feel like even though I think school shouldn't be all about exams and tests, I feel like, at the very least, an important time where a test should be valuable is when it's time to go to the next level. Everything you accumulated from who you are and what you've done is time to see if you're ready for the next level. And I feel like at that point, once you see that I failed right in front of you, I think that's the biggest way for people to realize that maybe this is not for me.01:03:30Maybe this is not the right path that incentivization to kind of fail or put a big test to kind of improve for me when it comes to applying for undergrad, which is crazy because in graduate you have to take a big test. Right? You have to take the LSAT, you have to take a GRE. You have to take whatever, the medical test. You have to take a huge test to get to the next level.01:03:56When it comes to undergraduate school, for me, at least, I just filled out an application, got some letters of recommendation, and did I write a paper? I don't even remember if I wrote a paper. I wrote a paper and that was it. Unless you're kind of doing scholarships, which is a couple more papers. But there was really no kind of, like, checkpoint going, like, are you ready for the next round?01:04:21So should we have tests to kind of get into undergraduate school?01:04:29Well, we do, right? We have the act and the sat. These are areas that act as filters, don't they?01:04:41Yeah, it's an aptitude thing, so it's not necessarily kind of testing you for a specific area.01:04:52I see what you're saying. With the Sat and act, that thing was so nonchalant, I didn't even really think about it. I didn't study for it. I just did it and then went to school. So it's like, even in those situations, there's really no like you said, there's no scare to do the Sat or act.01:05:12Kind of when I was talking about the scare, I'm not talking about the testing. What I'm talking more so about is the actual college experience through education and social life. Right? That's the thing that needs to incorporate more of a fear factor with it that can inform students of, like, for example, odds of getting through things like pass rates should be mandatory for all classes to be displayed so students know what they're getting into. These are the things I'm kind of talking about.01:05:44So students can weigh these things. I think that currently the Sat and act system is actually quite good for determining if a student should get into college. I feel like the only reason why I don't necessarily agree, I feel like it's a good count to kind of see if people qualify for a good college, but I think regardless of what you get at Sat or act, you'll be able to get into a college, correct? Yeah, I definitely see what you're saying. I guess my point is to kind of combine the two is when I say the scare is to kind of see, like you said, if they're adept, or to go into the college education kind of circumstance situation.01:06:31And I think something that's a lot more, to be fair, they would have to kind of know what they want to do beforehand. And like we've already said, high school doesn't really prepare you for that. So in a circumstance when you go to college, at the very least, I think what you could argue, and it won't put money technically out of the institution's pockets, is a baseline test to see where you are at in the route you want to take. Because immediately when you're a freshman, you choose your major for the most part. There are some individuals that go no major for like one or two years for some reason, but for the most part, the majority of people choose a major.01:07:19So that baseline test maybe doesn't have to be anything too crazy, but it can kind of put you where you're at and if you actually absolutely fail it. I feel like that we kind of realize I have a happy medium. It just popped into my head, bro. So what if we just comRadelled students to go to community college first? That's going to be actually another point in terms of community college because as you know right.01:07:50I'm sure you know people that went to it, it really kind of gives you an idea of if you can do it or not. You know what I mean? I can't believe I didn't think of this earlier, but it's cheap. It's like extremely cost effective, and it's something that you can go into. I think that it would be opportune to kind of go for legislation that limits teachers abilities to bring up other schools first before bringing up community college options.01:08:21I think that would be a good decision. Yeah. Facts. Like I'm not even lying here, ladies and gentlemen. I was legit going to ask you another question.01:08:31Did we make community college mandatory? Oh, no. In the sense that not mandatory isn't like you have to go to community college after high school, but in the sense that it's, like you said, incentivized more in schools and put in the forefront in students faces that this is a legitimate route. And I feel like other schools do it better than other high schools do it better than others. I feel like other high schools for sure go like, oh yeah, go to community college for sure, go to community college.01:09:04Because at the end of the day, the biggest impact, other than if you have a family and they're die hard, like Ohio State fans, they're probably going to Ohio State. Like, it is what it is. Right. But if you don't have a family that has some type of allegiance to a college, the biggest factor in choosing what you want to do after school is going to be the education system that you're going at in terms of the teachers, in terms of maybe a guidance counselor, or maybe there's a program. My school didn't have one, but Paul's apparently had one, where it kind of helps you kind of get ready for college as well.01:09:36So yeah, I think kind of incentivizing that more putting legislation in your idea. How would the legislation kind of map out the incentivization of community college? Yeah, sure. Really quick, just to preface, my power might go out. So do you want to wrap this up in like 19 minutes?01:09:59If that's up to you. Yeah, we can do that. Okay. Straight. So the legislation, I think, would be formatted in a way where it kind of would introduce itself to say two things.01:10:09Number one, if we are going to have a student that is exceptionally educated and is someone that's going out there and really getting the job done, as just like getting A's on everything they're getting through AP courses or dual enrollment. Right. This is someone that we should prioritize for four year university immediately. Right. This is someone that can skip that stone.01:10:31If we have a student that is performing at an average or above average rate, we should encourage this student to go into community college. It should be of their own volition, of course. Right. As I don't think that the school should be able to force this on you. Right.01:10:48But that being said, the resources that are administered should be all dependent upon student scores, and students should have the ability to request access to either or. Right. They should be able to say, hey, I want the resources for this. Right. But the ones that are initially presented without request should be based on the scoring, like, for example, the grades, Sat of that student.01:11:14I think that's the best way to make the legislation work where it finances this endeavor, and it furthermore mandates that this is the way the schools actually act. I think that would be like the best way. Yeah. I'm all for in favor of that type of idea, especially since you have a realistic measurement of Gauging, the ability of said student, both a high achieving student versus someone that is more in the middle or even lower end spectrum, of course. So I think that's a good idea, especially considering back in I don't know about you back when you were in high school, but back in when I was in high school, people kind of looked at community college as like, pathetic yeah, it was classist, right?01:11:59They said that's where the poor kids go.01:12:03And it's kind of crazy because a lot of people, after they've been to school, a lot of us go like, bro, go to community college. Why didn't I do that? Yeah, exactly. So it's kind of crazy.01:12:20Is that something that they want people to think? I mean, community college is a lot cheaper, of course, or is that just a culture thing? Because probably people who go to community college in general is probably lower end in terms of income. It's like 100% a culture thing, and it's all revolved around class. I'm sure you had a friend that had a mom that was into school prestige, right, that would always nonstop talk about it, especially those that were in Greek life, for example.01:12:58Yeah, they just never shut up about it. And it's real, right. These are things that actively influence students, and it's seen as shameful to pursue an option that is cheaper. I don't know. It's crazy to me that the university system, which, by the way, I think we can agree on this, the university system is very much so.01:13:20The institution that has planted these seeds into all these people's heads in terms of how they do this stuff, the university system has completely wooed people into just blowing their money away instead of actually looking into seeing if these students can do it in the first place. And on top of that, dude, community college professors are usually even more motivated than the professors at your schools. Right. Did your school have tenure by any chance? Do you know?01:13:49My high school college. Your college did have tenure for your professors. Yeah, for sure it did. Okay. I know people that have gone to non tenure schools, bro, and it's like you're getting like an adjunct experience the entire time, and it's just an absolute nightmare at a community college, you don't find this that much.01:14:09If anything, you're actually in a land of significantly more opportunity. So to me, I just believe that that's something that should just be smashed directly because it is a cultural consideration, it is a cultural understanding, and it's something that needs to be like the light of truth needs to shine upon it as soon as possible. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I guess the last question before wrap things up, which is also very interesting, and a lot of schools are moving in this type of direction, and that is, should college be free? Tuition mostly?01:14:54Sweet Christ. Okay, I don't want to hit you with I don't know, bro, because I still talk to myself. That's a realistic answer with these autoplay safe. I don't know. Yeah, let me at least explain it.01:15:17So on one hand, right? Go into a little bit depth. Let me add another layer just so you can have another option to go with it. Yeah, go for it. Community college, do you think should be free?01:15:30Absolutely. 100%, without a doubt in my mind should be something that is publicly funded with through and through. I think even Jonathan would agree with this. This is something that should cut across the barrier because it's that thing that can just save these people money. Right.01:15:46That being said, I am a little bit afraid of if it is free, it hurts the wages of the professors at these schools and it can incur negatives at you. And I like universities. Right. That being said, however, I still think that it's something that is 100% an option that should be pursued. Yes, this is something that should be made free for public for four year university.01:16:15I'm going to be honest, I'm going to have to think about it because just the substantial financial burden that the American taxpayer is going to have to have for that is quite incredible. And to think about all the students that might not make the best use of it and might still drop out on a taxpayer's dollar is pretty insane. I guess this might be a conservative opinion on my hand, but I guess a good way to kind of meet middle ground with my conservative friends is to say if a student doesn't actually graduate then they should have to foot some of the bill. I think that would be an interesting premise. What do you think if we lived in a free college society?01:16:58Right, in a free college society? If they didn't, I mean, it depends on the situation, of course. Yeah, sure. If mom and dad die then we're not going to empty your wallets. If it's on their own volition and they have no legitimate reason, I think that should definitely be argued because you're wasting resources at that point.01:17:22I think that's very valid. I think that's something can be argued. I think something in the military is very similar to that type of notion as well. For the most part. In terms of community college, I wholeheartedly agree.01:17:34Ladies and gentlemen, be willing to get taxed. Come on. We care about our students. With that said, in terms of college in general, I do think it's a legit discussion potentially, but it really just depends on the type of school that is getting free education. Obviously, graduate school will never truly be free.01:17:55But even those the questions for graduate school at this point is like should the test be free in those circumstances? Right? The LSAT with the gres, for example. So in this situation from the people for obviously the students, they definitely would benefit. But I guess in terms of community college, at the end of the day, even if it's free, the only thing it can provide you is the prerequisite courses.01:18:23That's the only thing it's there for. So I think you could actually argue for these lower end colleges, the ones that probably have little people probably just not going to their school, especially in comparison to all the popular schools in their country or in their state. I'm sure you probably know a name of a college that probably 99% of the people won't know what the heck you're talking about. Does that even exist? I feel like these schools could benefit from being having free tuition for sure.01:19:00And especially you would have to outweigh okay what they are getting versus being free. And then public taxes obviously, and public funding. But in these situations where you have a kind of lower end college but you can still get the specific knowledge, it's not pre work because it's a specific knowledge you need for your whatever course you want to take.01:19:26Even if actually it's more like leading up to a graduate. Maybe you get the specific medical knowledge. It's very baseline and obviously you're still going to have to take a test but maybe you just really just didn't have the resources. But you know, your intelligence, your capability, if you just had the opportunity, you can make it. I think there is a legitimate argument for at the very least these very low end colleges, less popular ones, to have free tuition.01:19:54And it could actually be helpful for that. This could be the replacement for the affirmative action type of situation. Instead, affirmative actually go to a free college, do well and go exceed. So I would be all for it if that was the case. Of course.01:20:14I'm sure if we can agree on one thing without a doubt is we just need to smash the prestigious university trope, like just destroy it forever. Dude, it's just gone way too far at this point. Oh yeah. I mean once I went to college, I realized very quickly that all these prestigious universities, the only thing they have is networking. The only difference between 100% this school and that school is networking.01:20:36And that's literally it.01:20:40Man, I wish we could have touched upon this actually. It'll be a conversation for a different day for sure. NCAA and paying college athletes. Oh hell yeah. Dude.01:20:50I could talk your year off all day. I got dip though because the thunder and lightning is getting so bad. I'm not a surge protector right now. That's the you're good, you're all good bro. Hey, I appreciate it and thanks for having me on as always man.01:21:02Of course. So with that said, that is all we got for today. Of course. 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