#32 - American Isolationism vs American Globalism: America's Role in the World Ft. Counterpoints

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,680 Welcome to the Purple Political Breakdown. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:12,200 There's a real rhetorical and political disconnect between our recruitment efforts, what our 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:17,840 military is told, what our generals are told up until they reach a certain stratosphere. 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,800 And same thing with what we tell the American people. 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,160 And I think we just have to be honest with the American people. 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,280 That's really the problem is we have, we're telling the people of the United States one 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:27,720 thing and we're doing another. 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:32,120 We shouldn't be involving ourselves in these global issues if we're not even going to 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,840 be around to kind of inherit that peace that we create. 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,680 And then, you know, when we kind of go away, what's going to happen? 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,680 You know, that's one of the problems is we did not equip well enough Afghanistan to handle 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,200 our not being there. 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,720 And then it just went away. 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:53,560 It's very interesting that when other countries kind of perceive us as Americans, they also 15 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,080 see us in like two different lights. 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:01,180 They see us as gun crazy individuals who want to shoot everybody like we were talking about, 17 00:01:01,180 --> 00:01:03,440 or people who want to make everybody trans. 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,240 Do you want a great website like this? 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:12,720 This is my podcast website where I direct the audience to come to watch the content, 20 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,760 listen to the content, read the blogs and much, much more. 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:22,440 If you want to have your own customizable podcast 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00:03:00,240 And today we're going to be doing a interesting conversation in regards to American isolationism, 44 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:08,160 the pros and cons for the concept and how legit it really is for America to kind of 45 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,380 adopt such a philosophy. 46 00:03:10,380 --> 00:03:11,380 So we'll talk about that. 47 00:03:11,380 --> 00:03:14,080 Of course, we have an excellent guest. 48 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:19,600 I'll show up a little bit later who is going to provide his insight in regards to the topic 49 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,720 and a lot of interesting things that's going to be discussed. 50 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:28,360 Of course, you got me, your host, Rodell Lewis and my co-host, Jonathan. 51 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:33,560 And we're going to kind of hold it down for the next hour or so. 52 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,760 And we're going to talk about a lot of interesting things per usual. 53 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:43,840 And I don't have a review to kind of discuss as of right now, but we do have our what you 54 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,240 need to know segments. 55 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:46,240 So we're going to start that. 56 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,080 I'm going to introduce some other ideas for segments a little bit later. 57 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,360 But to start off, Jonathan, how are you doing, my guy? 58 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,920 I am doing well. 59 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:54,920 How are you doing? 60 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,920 Doing well, doing well. 61 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:04,000 Obviously, you know, busy, busy with making sure everything runs, trying to make sure 62 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,360 that we got some consistency with the Monday, Thursday. 63 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,040 It's going to be, you know, twice a week and be tough for some, especially when it comes 64 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:18,000 to political topics or actually, I guess, any kind of overarching topic where you have 65 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:23,040 to do somewhat of research to kind of understand where we're going, what you're talking about, 66 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,520 because I do feel like a lot of these podcasts I see out here, I mean, people don't know 67 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,600 what they're talking about and they just be sprouting out their opinions. 68 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:35,560 So got to make sure we're on our P's and Q's regarding that, of course. 69 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:41,000 So we're going to start off with what you need to know current events that's going on 70 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,280 that may interest you. 71 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:48,280 Of course, some of them include there's actually a whole lot here, Jonathan, be prepared. 72 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:55,100 Some of that include a four party coalition and Netherlands apparently collapsed over 73 00:04:55,100 --> 00:05:02,720 the immigration issue in the country, a US drone strike and kills ISIS leader. 74 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,720 Uzama al-Maharji. 75 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,520 I have no idea if I pronounced that correctly. 76 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:15,440 Mexican armed forces take control of capitals, a major airport in a anti corruption move. 77 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:16,440 Amen. 78 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:17,440 Mexico, keep doing your thing. 79 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,120 Get the get the cartel out there. 80 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,080 Wagner group chief. 81 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,400 I'm not even try pronouncing his name. 82 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,720 I believe that's that's pretty good right there. 83 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:30,840 I believe so. 84 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:36,360 He met with Putin, apparently him and a couple other leaders met with Putin, Sweden to join 85 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,940 NATO as Turkey accepts their bid. 86 00:05:40,940 --> 00:05:45,800 So they're kind of inching closer and closer to be part of NATO, while as Turkey is trying 87 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:46,800 to join the EU. 88 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:56,400 Of course, Biden says no to Ukraine's bid to NATO until the war is over. 89 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:02,440 Microsoft obtains Activision, big dub for Xbox users out there. 90 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:07,360 Justice Thomas of the Supreme Court under scrutiny because of his relationship with 91 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:08,800 a very rich guy. 92 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,800 Very, very suspect. 93 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:18,120 The hearing with an FBI director that has happened today when we are kind of discussing 94 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:23,480 this live, which that would be like 713. 95 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,400 And lastly, like I said, lots, lots of news. 96 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,720 A member of the ULC, I forgot what the acronym is. 97 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:34,880 I should have wrote that down to discuss the definition of what it means to be dead, more 98 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:40,040 specifically what it means to be brain dead under a controversial circumstance of a 13 99 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:45,440 year old being brain dead, but alive in the family, not wanting to end his life due to 100 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,660 a religious objection. 101 00:06:47,660 --> 00:06:54,560 So they're kind of trying to convene in regards to the topic itself, define what it means 102 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,020 to be dead, so to speak. 103 00:06:57,020 --> 00:06:59,560 So this controversy doesn't happen moving forward. 104 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,000 A lot of news down, a lot of news. 105 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,000 What do you think? 106 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,000 News. 107 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,480 So I haven't been on my phone very much today. 108 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:07,480 I've been. 109 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:12,120 It was a very busy day at the courthouse, lots, lots of people to get through and technical 110 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,120 issues. 111 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:21,720 So, but I did hear about Ukraine not being admitted into NATO, which is a big thing because 112 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:27,760 I know Zelensky was really, really holding out for that. 113 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:33,240 So I had heard that I know we were talking a little bit a little bit before about the 114 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,320 FBI hearing. 115 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,640 And also, what is Activision? 116 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:40,640 I don't know what that is. 117 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:47,320 Oh man, this guy is a complete novice in the video game industry. 118 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,960 Activision is a video game from my knowledge. 119 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:57,800 It's a video game corporation that has some of the more popular video games, most specifically, 120 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,800 probably the most popular would be Call of Duty. 121 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:01,800 Right. 122 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,560 So they are the ones that are in charge of Call of Duty. 123 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:14,200 Just because Microsoft is in control or in or in charge of all the franchises under Activision 124 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:21,800 doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be console exclusives, which I'm sure some PlayStation 125 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:27,240 owners and maybe PC owners, but more so PlayStation owners are worried about because they care 126 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,000 so much about this console war. 127 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,960 But it'll be interesting to see what they do moving forward. 128 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:39,760 I would say Microsoft, Microsoft for the most part knows how to handle business. 129 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:46,360 And I do think they're better equipped to handle multiplayer gaming versus Sony. 130 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:52,840 I think Sony is more equipped to handle single player games such as the God of War, the Spiderman's, 131 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:53,840 for example. 132 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:58,320 So yeah, that's that's what's going on regarding that kind of game console war. 133 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,880 Are you an Xbox or PlayStation guy or neither? 134 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:04,880 We are here, bro. 135 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,880 It's just an Xbox controller. 136 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,520 Yeah, yeah, we are here for sure. 137 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:10,960 I don't know. 138 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,000 We remote real quick. 139 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,000 I don't hold. 140 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,360 I honestly moving forward, I don't really care about the console war. 141 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:25,520 Personally, I at this point, I don't even play video games enough to actually care. 142 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:30,760 But I will say that sometimes it can get a little, little ridiculous in terms of the 143 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,480 terms of the console war. 144 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,040 It's like there's an adamant hatred for someone who plays the other console. 145 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:41,320 I think it's all fun and games for the most part, though. 146 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:46,360 But Xbox recognizes that they're kind of falling behind in terms of the console exclusives. 147 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:51,440 What as long as I can play games that I want to play, then I don't really I don't play 148 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,880 single player games anyway, so it doesn't really matter for me. 149 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,760 OK, that's true. 150 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,560 Yeah, so what were you about to say? 151 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:05,640 I was going to ask what you find interesting in the current news cycle. 152 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:17,160 So I watched the entire kind of FBI director situation and a lot of things come out of 153 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,160 it. 154 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,440 It's very interesting for me. 155 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:24,840 One thing, obviously, that was super interesting in regards to this hearing was obviously the 156 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:30,160 fact that Republicans, for the most part, was attacking the FBI director and then Democrats 157 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,640 were trying to not really saving him per se. 158 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,840 We're trying to give him a chance to explain the situation. 159 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:44,240 And the interesting part about the situation with the Republicans attacking the FBI director 160 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:52,940 is one, he's Republican to he was appointed by Trump and three, a lot of their biggest 161 00:10:52,940 --> 00:10:58,880 issues was the former FBI director, but they're kind of still angry. 162 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,360 So they're attacking the current FBI director. 163 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:08,360 So imagine becoming imagine being a Republican going being appointed by Trump. 164 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:15,080 The president is also a Republican and going into this with Republican values and still 165 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,760 getting attacked by Republicans. 166 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,440 That's that just it makes me realize. 167 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,520 Go ahead. 168 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,720 I was I feel like probably one of the reasons they're doing that is because they're angry 169 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:33,320 at Merrick Garland because he's been kind of a crony and they just he's kind of untouchable 170 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,760 ahead of the DOJ. 171 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,920 So that could be one of the reasons I'm not. 172 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,160 That's just pure speculation on my behalf, though. 173 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,120 But yeah, I can understand the frustration with that. 174 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,720 What were you mean to cut you off? 175 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:53,000 Well, what I was going to say is it's really enlightening when you see something like this. 176 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:59,560 And I guess I would have more understanding, even though I don't agree with, you know, 177 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:04,680 the attacks, I would have more understanding if he was like a Democrat or liberal or supported 178 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:08,200 Biden, but he doesn't in any way. 179 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:13,760 Well, obviously, he supports Biden being the president, but in terms of his political beliefs. 180 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,800 So I'll be like, that would be one thing for me. 181 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:25,560 But even if you're like solely on the side, ideological with a certain group, even if 182 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:30,840 you try to do everything to the best of your ability, even if you do everything correctly 183 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:36,960 to your ability, it really just shows that you will still get attacked when these political 184 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,080 battles. 185 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:43,920 And I'm watching this and I'm more than willing to hear your opinions regarding it. 186 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:52,280 I'm watching the FBI director and he notes several times that he has initiated new reforms 187 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,960 to kind of fix the problems that was mentioned in the Durham report. 188 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:01,280 Now, I specifically haven't watched or read the Durham report, but he actually admits 189 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,560 that a lot of the things that was said was stuff that he didn't agree with. 190 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:10,320 A lot of the stuff that he that the Durham report indicated was stuff that he wanted 191 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:11,960 to fix. 192 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:19,760 And he from his own words, he said that these there's nothing that I think he lied about 193 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,480 necessarily. 194 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:26,320 And I think we have to continue working to make the FBI like more efficient, better in 195 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,400 a lot of different areas. 196 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,480 So he mentions that. 197 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:35,880 And a lot of the kind of attacks that they were trying to have on him, it seemed, was 198 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,460 in reference to the Durham report and reference to stuff that happened before him. 199 00:13:40,460 --> 00:13:42,440 And he mentions it several times. 200 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:47,240 It's like, hey, I did this, I did that, I did this. 201 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,560 And we've changed all those people before, for the most part, from his knowledge, he 202 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:56,520 got rid of them, we change on a lot of different areas, but they were really trying to hammer 203 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:57,520 him. 204 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:02,280 It's like, nah, you got the horrible people from the Durham report probably are still 205 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,000 in, even though I have no proof to prove this. 206 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:10,800 And you, even though you're a Republican, you're still after Trump and you let Biden 207 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:11,800 go. 208 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,480 And I'm just right here like, bro, what are we talking about? 209 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:24,160 I'm not, I don't see the kind of any type of, I feel like one Republican gave him the 210 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,380 benefit of the doubt. 211 00:14:25,380 --> 00:14:27,600 The rest was just like all over him. 212 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,640 Do you know which one it was? 213 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:30,680 Was this in the house? 214 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,400 Was this the house, a house investigation? 215 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,040 It was a hearing. 216 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,720 It was a judiciary hearing. 217 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:49,520 So a lot of the senators was asking him questions, having their own testimonies in regards to 218 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,680 different type of circumstances. 219 00:14:51,680 --> 00:15:00,400 One thing I will kind of, I guess, fault the FBI director is that it didn't seem like he 220 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,760 knew everything, especially at the beginning. 221 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:10,600 He kept on saying, I don't know, to my knowledge, I have to go refer to this. 222 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,920 I'm going to get back to you. 223 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,440 But after hearing more of it, you kind of understand where he's coming from. 224 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:22,360 Because when it comes to these situations, one, you have to be very careful with your 225 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:28,640 words because people like to twist your words, hold you to that and use those words to kind 226 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,480 of fall to you, make you look like the worst person ever. 227 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,560 So he was extremely meticulous with his words. 228 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,880 So I understand that. 229 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,680 You know, obviously you don't want to be saying something you're not sure about. 230 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,720 So he was honest when he wasn't sure. 231 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,640 He said he'll get back to him after doing certain things. 232 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:54,800 And another part that people actually should understand to a certain extent is that even 233 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,680 though he's the head person, he's the FBI director, the expectation for him to know 234 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,840 everything is unrealistic. 235 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,760 That's why you delegate certain responsibilities to other departments. 236 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,600 So you can't really be mad that he doesn't know everything. 237 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:14,760 He may have a general idea, but if he said he's going to look into it and give you information 238 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:19,080 later, I don't know how you can be necessarily mad at that. 239 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:20,080 Yeah. 240 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:21,080 Yeah. 241 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:28,480 And that's probably one of the reasons he's getting riled on so hard is a lot of Republicans 242 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:35,760 particularly have taken on to the notion of just disbanding the FBI. 243 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,680 So there's that. 244 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,080 And I think they have. 245 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:48,760 I agree to an extent with the sentiment, but I don't know that everybody has the best reasons 246 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:54,360 for why they want to disband the FBI. 247 00:16:54,360 --> 00:17:00,760 The other thing, as you mentioned specifically, also for the Durham report and then how they're 248 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:05,360 saying, oh, well, they're probably still in there anyways, even if you're telling me that 249 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:06,360 they're not. 250 00:17:06,360 --> 00:17:07,360 Is that correct? 251 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:08,360 That kind of. 252 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:13,600 He said to his knowledge, certain people aren't in certain spots that the Republicans would 253 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:23,240 deem shady, but he's saying obviously that in terms of those certain individuals, he 254 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:28,080 said the higher ups were kind of taking away the leadership, but not. 255 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,640 He said there's still an ongoing investigation. 256 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:38,360 Some of the things he said constantly in regards to the Margo Laga, Margo Laga, stuff with 257 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:44,760 Trump, the stuff with Joe Biden regarding the documents in his garage or this stuff 258 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:45,960 regarding January 6th. 259 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,840 A lot of the things that he was saying is that there's an ongoing investigation. 260 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:55,320 I can't go over that, but they kept on trying to, hey, tell me more about the investigation. 261 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,680 I'm not going to tell you more about the investigation, the ongoing investigation. 262 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,600 So a lot of that stuff happened too. 263 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:05,960 So he constantly says when things were like ongoing in terms of what they're doing, he 264 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,680 always kind of refer to that consistently. 265 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:09,680 Yeah. 266 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:10,680 Yeah. 267 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:16,680 That's it's one of these things that I think is kind of a dangerous notion is the constant 268 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,840 conspiracy theories. 269 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:25,240 And like, I understand a lot of the, like, so this is from my perspective as a conservative, 270 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:31,200 you know, a lot of the things that conservatives and Republicans were saying were going on 271 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:37,080 and then especially during COVID and all these things and the liberals and the leftists were 272 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,840 saying, no, these things aren't happening. 273 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,720 And then we find out that they are happening. 274 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:46,480 And so one of the things that's happening is the conservatives, I feel, especially like 275 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:54,040 peculiar right-wing Republicans are like every, every conspiracy theory is absolutely true. 276 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,840 They all must be true because of the last two years in which we've said this is happening. 277 00:18:58,840 --> 00:18:59,840 No, it's not happening. 278 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,000 Oh, yes, it was happening. 279 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,720 And I think that's, that's a foolish thing to believe. 280 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:10,200 And I think this probably applies to the whole FBI thing is like, it doesn't matter what 281 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:16,160 you say because you represent the arm of the government, the enforcement of the government. 282 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:21,080 There's some shady stuff that's going on and I don't care what you say, it's going down. 283 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,640 And so no matter what this guy says, he was probably going to get railed on and attacked 284 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:29,760 anyways, especially now in the era of just clicks, you know, everybody wants to have 285 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:34,480 the one, the one statement that said, oh, I got you. 286 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:35,840 And then wait for him to stutter. 287 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:40,440 And then they'll clip it real nice and put on that dirt, dirt, dirt, dirt with the glasses 288 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:41,440 thing. 289 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:42,440 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 290 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:43,440 You are on this one. 291 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,640 The one statement that made me laugh because I thought it was out, thought it was done 292 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:53,080 personally is when one senator said it may be lawful, but not constitutional. 293 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,040 And I'm like, what does that mean? 294 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,520 You mean it may be lawful and not constitutional. 295 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,680 What are you talking about here? 296 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:06,000 So he said that and it was like one of those final gotcha statement. 297 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,640 It's like it may be lawful, but it's not constitutional. 298 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,480 Like how something lawful and not constitutional? 299 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,880 How does that make sense? 300 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:20,700 So technically something can be codified into law that is not enumerated in the Constitution. 301 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:26,200 So there's plenty of laws that get appealed because they say it violates the Constitution. 302 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:31,560 That's what constitutional lawyers are for when the state passes a law that violates 303 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,080 a portion of the Constitution. 304 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,680 So I can understand that. 305 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,640 So I didn't need no more context. 306 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:43,920 But overall, like there's very few laws that are unconstitutional unless it and usually 307 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,680 when that happens, it's because it's violent. 308 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:53,120 And the problem with the Constitution is some of it's kind of mysterious. 309 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:58,920 And the way that it's written can be sometimes hard to navigate. 310 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:03,080 So most people really wouldn't even know if something violates your Constitution. 311 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:08,840 But typically we would assess if it violates the Bill of Rights is what happens most often. 312 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:14,600 Yeah, I think for those situations, it's more so a interpretation thing because like you 313 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:20,120 said, the Constitution can be very hard to interpret or the different levels of interpretation 314 00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:21,640 can be vastly different. 315 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:28,760 We've seen that time and time again for something like the Second Amendment and the word infringed. 316 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:39,080 I think it's either that or a situation where there's a misunderstanding in terms of what 317 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,980 the law says versus what the Constitution says. 318 00:21:41,980 --> 00:21:53,280 So in the circumstance when he said it, I think to kind of go into the two big points 319 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,640 that they were attacking, they were talking a lot of stuff, but from what I found, the 320 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:05,600 two big points that they were definitely attacking was one, the FBI's investigation on Donald 321 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,480 Trump in the Mar-a-Lago situation. 322 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:09,480 Mar-a-Lago. 323 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:10,480 Mar-a-Lago situation. 324 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,880 All right. 325 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:19,780 And two, the situation with FBI's influence on social media companies. 326 00:22:19,780 --> 00:22:24,720 So those seem to be the two biggest things. 327 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:34,360 And in terms of what he was referring to is the FBI's contact with the Bank of America. 328 00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:41,800 And apparently the Bank of America gave the FBI information or was talking about giving 329 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:50,320 people the FBI information in regards to credit transactions, debit transactions, and weapons 330 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,320 sales. 331 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:56,640 Now, we didn't get the full context of the email because it was just one screenshot. 332 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:04,320 And after seeing so many kind of like non-contextual gotcha screenshots and all that stuff, I'm 333 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,280 not going to make enough full opinion without knowing more context. 334 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,560 He did say he wasn't familiar with the email and he would have to look into it to see the 335 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,040 full context of what is going on. 336 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:22,080 But he says the conversation that he was having with the Bank of America and social media 337 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,840 companies like Twitter, for example, was all done very legally. 338 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,740 It was all done very lawfully. 339 00:23:28,740 --> 00:23:34,920 One thing I wish he went into a little bit more in depth with was how the FBI suggested 340 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:42,200 certain things to the social media companies, not outright dictated or enforced that they 341 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,580 do something, but suggested something. 342 00:23:44,580 --> 00:23:49,080 And I wish they went into that a little bit more and what he means by suggestions. 343 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:55,820 I do think there's an interesting argument behind the validity of the FBI suggesting 344 00:23:55,820 --> 00:24:00,280 certain stuff to the social media companies, not tell them outright, hey, I want you to 345 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,880 ban you, but it's like, this may be a threat. 346 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,760 So look into that. 347 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,160 So that one was a little, I wish they went into that more. 348 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:16,240 As for the Mar-a-Lago, they really had no good, the Republicans had no good explanation 349 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:23,360 in terms of, oh, Trump having these documents, the only way they combated it was like, but 350 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:24,360 Biden. 351 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:27,920 I'm not a fan of. 352 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,560 So from what I've heard, I think I agree. 353 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,320 It's like, oh, but he did this too. 354 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:39,400 And there is something to be said, especially because like this is the same kind of snafu 355 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,760 that Hillary got in trouble for. 356 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,760 But I don't want to get into the this and that. 357 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:50,500 But from what I understand, one of the strongest points for what Donald Trump did being legal 358 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:54,560 is there is no technical that I know of. 359 00:24:54,560 --> 00:25:03,040 And what I've heard, there's no like actual process by which one declassifies information 360 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,640 when you're the president. 361 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,480 You can just say these things are just declassified. 362 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:13,160 So the problem is, is every single hour of Donald Trump has not been recorded. 363 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:18,300 So he could, he can't articulate, oh, oh yeah, those were declassified. 364 00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:21,360 So there's not like a way and maybe I'm wrong. 365 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:22,360 Right. 366 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:23,360 That's totally possible. 367 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:27,320 This is simply what I've heard from certain people. 368 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,880 That is one thing that can be said for him. 369 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,280 Whether or not he should have them is another argument entirely. 370 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,040 And whether or not he should have had them at all. 371 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:41,520 I think that's certainly not appropriate to just have them at your house. 372 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:47,000 If these are, in fact, very important government documents, from what I've heard, they're 373 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,240 actually not particularly important. 374 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:57,040 The problem with what everybody's saying that Biden did is he was never the president. 375 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,000 These documents are alleged to be from when he was vice president and the vice president 376 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,200 has no ability whatsoever to declassify documents. 377 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:11,920 Hence why most conservatives are upset because allegedly from what I've heard, there is no 378 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,840 formal process that Donald Trump can just. 379 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,960 There's nothing here that's a sign, staple, print, submit to Congress. 380 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:26,840 He can just these documents are now unclassified, which is why there's certain things that I 381 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:32,240 think depending on what area they fall in, like with CIA information, if it's that sort 382 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,080 of stuff, that's a different story. 383 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,520 But if these were under the authority of the president to classify any classifying, you 384 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,920 can just say they're declassified. 385 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,640 So from my understanding, the counter-arrogant man and the Joe Biden stuff, like I said, 386 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,920 they said they were still investigating Biden and that situation. 387 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,480 So I'm not going to comment on that one. 388 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:58,160 In terms of the Trump situation, the counter-arguments that I've heard was that one, when Trump declassified, 389 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,780 he was no longer president. 390 00:27:00,780 --> 00:27:05,760 And then the second argument that I heard, which actually the FBI director said, is that 391 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:12,240 the locations that he put these documents in were not secured locations. 392 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,120 And that's also a problem. 393 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:20,880 So there is a special term, he said, in regards to what a secure location would be. 394 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,240 But having it in your house just willy nilly in different areas, such as like the bathroom 395 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,200 or the dining room, would not qualify under that, of course. 396 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,200 So those are the counter-arguments I've heard in regards to Trump and his situation. 397 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,720 Obviously the trial is still going on, so we'll have to see what they find. 398 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,320 The investigation is still going on, so we'll have to see what they find. 399 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:46,440 But depending on what they find, we'll determine a lot of stuff. 400 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,840 I also heard, and you didn't say this, but a lot of the Republicans are bringing this 401 00:27:50,840 --> 00:28:04,320 up, was the fact that the Miami office wasn't the one who investigated or made the action 402 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,200 to go investigate his house. 403 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,960 It was the office in DC. 404 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,800 A lot of people were speculating, oh, there might be something going on with that. 405 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:21,600 And the FBI director's counter-argument for that was because the National Archive, which 406 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:27,080 is in DC, was the one who opened up the investigation and requested it. 407 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:32,400 And since the National Archive did it, that would fall under the jurisdiction of the DC 408 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,240 office, and that's why they're the ones who took action. 409 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,280 So that is... 410 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,680 That's an argument that I don't understand. 411 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:48,240 The point of the FBI is that it is the federal Bureau of Investigation, which means there's 412 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,880 jurisdiction throughout the country. 413 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,880 I wouldn't see why. 414 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,280 Yeah, their argument is... 415 00:28:54,280 --> 00:29:00,520 My guess is their argument is that obviously it's in DC and obviously Biden's in DC, so 416 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,320 they had a certain secret agenda. 417 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,320 But more conspiracy theories, basically, more conspiracy theories. 418 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:12,000 So we'll see what happens in regards to that, of course. 419 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,040 But yeah, that's what I've seen. 420 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,260 I think the FBI director personally handled himself very well. 421 00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:21,840 If you watch it, you can let me know if you disagree. 422 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,280 I think he handled himself very well. 423 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,380 I did get a little annoyed that he wouldn't answer certain questions, but if you don't 424 00:29:27,380 --> 00:29:28,880 know, you don't know. 425 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:35,640 And I do think some he should have known, but, you know, tough job. 426 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,200 He seems like he's doing a good job. 427 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,960 And it's just crazy that Trump picked this guy and he's a Republican and he's just getting 428 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,960 attacked by Republicans. 429 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,320 It's just insane. 430 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,320 It's crazy. 431 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,320 No one's safe. 432 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,320 Imagine if that was a Democrat. 433 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,320 That would be crazy. 434 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,320 That would be crazy. 435 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,040 Yeah, that's one of those things that's kind of... 436 00:29:55,040 --> 00:30:02,120 I think Paul made this observation to some extent, he kind of touched on a similar vein, 437 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:09,280 is like Democrats in some ways are more loyal and other ways are less loyal. 438 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,280 Right? 439 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:15,200 Like when it comes to the president, if they pick a president who is a Democrat and they 440 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,640 don't like him and he wins the nomination, then they'll just never, they just won't go 441 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:20,920 up to vote. 442 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:21,920 Republicans aren't that way. 443 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,160 Whoever is their guy is their guy. 444 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:28,600 But at the same time, we hold our people to a much higher standard in some ways. 445 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,640 And that's kind of like air quotes around it is like, we're still very vicious with 446 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,000 them no matter what. 447 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:43,280 So you can see this kind of in this example here, we don't, conservatives, they don't 448 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,280 give their people passes. 449 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,200 As for the Democrats, they kind of do. 450 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,080 Like it's like, oh, this person is a Democrat on our team. 451 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,880 We don't really care what they do. 452 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,520 And whatever they do, we will defend them. 453 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,920 Republicans are like, oh, blood in the water. 454 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,880 And they just, and I think that kind of demeans the party. 455 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,520 But at the same time, I'm not like a huge party advocate. 456 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,720 I'm a Republican because I'm a conservative and that happens to be the party that represents 457 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,360 me at this point in time. 458 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,320 But that's an observation that I've kind of made. 459 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,880 Do you disagree with that? 460 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,240 No, I don't. 461 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,720 I don't disagree with that. 462 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:26,080 I definitely think it changed a lot after Trump, especially because Trump and a lot 463 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,480 of people who follow his sentiment is very anti-establishment. 464 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:36,720 It's kind of turned the Republicans from originally they're definitely more pro-establishment to 465 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,540 much more anti-establishment after Trump. 466 00:31:39,540 --> 00:31:44,700 So that's a big thing because obviously he thinks everybody's coming after him. 467 00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:48,440 And then people who follow him follow the same sentiment. 468 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,320 And it doesn't help when you have something like the Durham report come out. 469 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,880 But then if you continue that sentiment, that doesn't help as well. 470 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:03,360 And the pettiness really highlighted the biggest petty moment for me was when one Republican 471 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,480 Senator was coming at him because they're going over the fact that there was certain 472 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:16,240 inquiries that happen in regards to them using something known as FISA and the legitimacy 473 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,860 of making sure that they're not using this technology inappropriately, which allows them 474 00:32:21,860 --> 00:32:26,440 to look up certain stuff on the internet and social media and all that stuff. 475 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:34,240 I haven't looked into it inherently, but based on the contextual clues, that's what I gathered. 476 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:40,160 And they were talking about the situation now before you, there was millions of bad 477 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,480 ed, potentially illegal inquiries using the technology. 478 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:51,600 And then after you, he was talking about the director was saying, oh, we've did a lot of 479 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:52,600 work. 480 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,900 We're up to like 98%, 99% success rate. 481 00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:58,880 And then the Senator is like, oh, you don't care about that 1%. 482 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,800 And I'm like, what did you expect them to say? 483 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:04,800 100%. 484 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,800 I completely got it out. 485 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:12,400 And especially when you have to realize sometimes, because the people who do it legitimately 486 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:19,760 to utilize the FISA technology to do something like look up their girlfriend or ex-girlfriend, 487 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,080 obviously that would be illegal and they'd be kicked out and get punished for it. 488 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,880 But he said that there's some people who just make mistakes. 489 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,800 It was an honest mistake. 490 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,960 And obviously that still wouldn't, that would, in terms of our analysis of how this thing's 491 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,960 being used, that would be still an inappropriate way to use it. 492 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,880 But it was an honest mistake. 493 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:43,720 And that honest mistake only being like 1% of the inquiries or 2% of the inquiries and 494 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:44,800 you're still attacking them in. 495 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,600 I'm like, bro, like what are we doing? 496 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,280 What are we doing right now? 497 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,280 Just like petty attacks. 498 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,280 It didn't really help. 499 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,480 It'd be crazy if you go like, man, I kind of hate the Republican party now. 500 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:58,720 Switches allegiances. 501 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,920 I think the only Republican that did was like, I hope you don't switch, was the one that 502 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,480 was kind of giving the benefit of down and kind of talking to them. 503 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,200 Do you know who they happened to be? 504 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,200 I don't remember. 505 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,560 There's so many names. 506 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:17,960 I tried to pay attention to what affiliation the person, the people were for the most part. 507 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:24,360 The people who were attacking him the hardest was Texas Republicans and the chairman who's 508 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,240 an Ohio Republican. 509 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:27,240 Funny enough. 510 00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:29,240 No, he's House. 511 00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:33,080 No, I don't remember. 512 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,080 There's so many names. 513 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,840 I don't remember these. 514 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,080 To be fair, if I describe him, I'll be describing a generic old white guy to be fair. 515 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,280 So we won't get anywhere there. 516 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,280 He's young. 517 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,280 He's the senator from my area. 518 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,200 Yeah, he's definitely older. 519 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,200 He's definitely older. 520 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,080 He seemed like he had a lot of beef with the FBI director. 521 00:34:53,080 --> 00:35:02,840 That's one of the things I said is like politically, like everybody sees the FBI as Democrat because 522 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,560 of Merrick Garland, what Merrick Garland's done with the DOJ. 523 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:14,480 So I don't really think Republicans care if the head of the FBI, because they're, I think 524 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,200 they're probably looking at it more as like, this is an arm of the DOJ, the DOJ has been 525 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,440 using and that's probably one of the reasons they were attacking him so hard. 526 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:29,120 And then just overall, like the anti establishment sentiment that you pointed out and the fact 527 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,800 that they just want the FBI to be disbanded. 528 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:39,160 Yeah it's crazy to me that the Republicans and the conservatives would say, disband the 529 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:45,680 FBI at the same time they would scoff at the idea of disbanding the police. 530 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:51,200 I'm like, what is the difference between what you're doing and what you're doing in terms 531 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,520 of what it looks like? 532 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,280 If we talked about the legitimacy and the efficiency of what the FBI does, and we've 533 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,080 talked about that a little bit, Jonathan, it's an interesting conversation. 534 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:06,840 I would say that the FBI, from what I've heard from what he said, there's a lot of good that 535 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,920 it does in terms of anti terrorism, domestic terrorism. 536 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,560 There's a lot, and this is such a good point he brought up. 537 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:19,160 There's so many actual terrorist attacks in terms of someone who's about to attack a certain 538 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,880 group that they stop but nobody hears about. 539 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:23,880 Nobody cares about. 540 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,600 You'll never hear that. 541 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,720 And that's such a good point in terms of what they're doing that nobody knows about. 542 00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:35,280 They are only going to hear the stuff that happens that everybody hates, obviously, right? 543 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:43,720 All the human traffickers that they go against and the horrible people guarding the pedophiles 544 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:48,040 and stuff like that, and dealing with the fentanyl situation. 545 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:54,400 So I would have to really look into the FBI's job and to see if there's really any agencies 546 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,760 or departments that can take over these type of responsibilities. 547 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:04,660 This is my argument for why the FBI should be disbanded. 548 00:37:04,660 --> 00:37:11,680 And I'm not all in, like the FBI must be disbanded. 549 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,960 From what I've heard and the people who I've listened to who articulate the point poorly 550 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:25,120 is that right now the FBI is a ring of the DOJ and it's just a strong arm that's just 551 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,600 attacking Republicans. 552 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:34,120 Well yes, but when a Republican DOJ gets in there, then you will want the FBI to be on 553 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,120 your side. 554 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,340 And so it's just because the current political party. 555 00:37:38,340 --> 00:37:45,360 This is my reason why I think one of the ways we could mitigate the problem of the FBI being 556 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:55,120 turned into something like the NKDV or the police state, I guess we can call it, whether 557 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,320 it be the Gestapo or whoever it be. 558 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,440 Because that's kind of what people are worried about, especially Republicans right now because 559 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,800 it's a Democrat majority party. 560 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:11,400 The way that I'd see it is like you articulated, the FBI has a lot of different departments, 561 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:18,800 but in the federal version, the federal branches of investigation and law enforcement, there's 562 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,500 like four or five other agencies. 563 00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:27,800 And the FBI has a department that handles the same sort of thing as each one of those 564 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:28,800 agencies. 565 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:34,320 So like now even the IRS has an investigation wing, the border patrol is the border patrol 566 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,880 and they have an investigative wing. 567 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:45,120 The ATF is inherently an investigative wing, so is the DEA. 568 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:53,420 And so each time when one of those agencies gets involved, the FBI is typically also involved. 569 00:38:53,420 --> 00:39:01,040 So I don't see the necessity to have that centralized, unified investigative branch, 570 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:07,520 the FBI, when we have other agencies that are not as well funded, that are much more 571 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,980 specialized and localized. 572 00:39:09,980 --> 00:39:15,680 And so we can get rid of the FBI and take those agents that are doing the similar jobs, 573 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,400 take the allotment of money that is given to the FBI and allocate it out to the more 574 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,640 specialized and more, and then there's of course the Secret Service, which is the other 575 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,240 one that I forgot to mention. 576 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:31,280 And so we can take those people and because the FBI has departments in each one of those 577 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,240 categories, take those resources, take the supplies and get something less centralized. 578 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:42,680 So then we can mitigate the problem of a central kind of police state wing and we won't lose 579 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,940 any of that thing because there's already so much overlap in the FBI. 580 00:39:46,940 --> 00:39:52,880 And I'm not particularly sure if there's a particular anti-terrorist organization other 581 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,160 than the FBI. 582 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:59,740 That's something that someone like the DEA or probably more like the Border Patrol could 583 00:39:59,740 --> 00:40:02,680 handle very, very easily. 584 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,880 And that's my argument for why we don't necessarily need the FBI. 585 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,720 Like I'm not one of these, it must be disbanded. 586 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:16,920 I can't say the Border Patrol or I don't even know about the DEA either because they 587 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,040 also count in domestic terrorism. 588 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,680 So that would also indicate like hate crimes and stuff like that. 589 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:22,680 Yeah. 590 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:23,680 We would also have to encompass that. 591 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,520 But the Border Patrol is primarily concerned with people getting into our country, right? 592 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:32,040 So then, I mean, obviously terrorism has to happen in our country and they would have 593 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,320 to cross the border to get in or their domestic terrorists. 594 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,760 What I'm saying, yeah, domestic terrorists are completely different thing. 595 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,120 I see what you're saying. 596 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:48,900 I think there is a valid argument in the sense that having an overarching branch that's kind 597 00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:53,040 of looking over everything has a lot of value. 598 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,880 And even the United States Postal Service has an investigative wing. 599 00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,680 Yeah, it's good. 600 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:00,680 It's good. 601 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:05,240 There's it's good that there's so many layers to it. 602 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:16,440 I think the problem obviously comes in when you have a biased FBI leadership that kind 603 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,600 of just listens to what the executive branch is saying. 604 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:28,320 I think when that happens for sure, when in this situation where it seems to me from what 605 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:35,160 I've heard and I could be wrong, it seems to me considering the situation that this 606 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:41,400 is probably should be one of the more unbiased circumstances you could ask for for the FBI, 607 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,040 considering it was chosen by Trump. 608 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:51,920 He is Republican and allowed his values kind of aligned with Republican. 609 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,760 And he's looking at things. 610 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,160 For me, it seems like he's looking at things very objectively. 611 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:03,800 And it's always tough when it comes to leadership because you always have to rely on leaderships 612 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:04,800 to be objective. 613 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,000 They should, for the most part, mostly be objective. 614 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:15,240 But if we have a truly objective FBI, then they would honestly be the best ones to kind 615 00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:17,280 of handle these circumstances. 616 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,920 And they would be the best ones to kind of alleviate any type of innate bias with any 617 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,840 of these agencies within their organization. 618 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,280 So yeah, it's a it's a tough it's a tough situation. 619 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:35,080 I think one of the reasons that we still see this this partisanship and the reason that 620 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,800 we still perceive the. 621 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,840 The FBI is because of the DOJ and because of Merrick Garland and the decisions that 622 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:48,720 he makes have a trickle down effect because obviously the FBI reports to the Department 623 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:52,800 of Justice, which oversees a lot of these things, which is another way that you could 624 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,960 articulate a counterpoint to mine is like, well, they still some of these fall into other 625 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,700 categories, but some of them, some of these agencies still fall under the DOJ, which means 626 00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:07,840 whoever has the DOJ can still, you know, obviously has the ear of the president, but also all 627 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,280 of those who run each individual agency as well. 628 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,280 Yeah. 629 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,800 I might talk about a little bit more death in a different time. 630 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,560 I've talked quite a bit about the hearing. 631 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,680 Like I said, Jonathan, if you check it out, it'd be very interesting. 632 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:30,640 And it's interesting that, you know, Republicans are attacking Republicans, but the FBI director, 633 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,120 but the same thing is happening on the left. 634 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,520 One thing I want to start introducing for people, ladies and gentlemen, is that I want 635 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,320 to start introducing different subtopics. 636 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,400 I'm going to the two subtopics in mind right now. 637 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:52,440 It's called social subtopic, which can follow any more social. 638 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:59,680 Subtopic of discussion and a kind of bipartisan subtopic, or we get a little bit more nitty 639 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:06,280 gritty in terms of a bill or philosophy that's being implemented in America. 640 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:15,600 And we do a more formulated debate style to show you how bar partisan should work and 641 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,680 go over that. 642 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,160 So that's stuff that we might discuss in the future. 643 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,320 But the thing I was mentioning in regards to the left is showing itself is the stuff 644 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,200 regarding Anna Conspire. 645 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,880 So she was, she might still be, she said she's thinking about her political affiliation. 646 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,080 I don't think she's going to the right, but she may move towards the center a little bit 647 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,760 more. 648 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,120 She was a well-known progressive, a part of the Young Turks. 649 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:47,360 And in this situation, after she went on a political podcast, I don't really remember 650 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,560 the name of the podcast, she went on there, expressed her opinions, kind of read, not 651 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:59,640 redacted, but re-observed a lot of the things she said in the past in regards to, for example, 652 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:06,280 the stuff with Kyle Rittenhouse and her opinions saying, oh yeah, it definitely was self-defense 653 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,360 in regards to that. 654 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,600 I don't know if you remember this, Jonathan, but there was a situation where a woman seemed 655 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,200 like she was being a Karen. 656 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:19,120 She had her dog with her and she called the cops on some guy saying that, oh, he's about 657 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,200 to steal my dog. 658 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,320 But from the video, it seemed like she was just being a Karen. 659 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,400 And because he was black, she, you know, was calling him out. 660 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:32,000 But come to find out after getting more evidence and more context, he did legit say that I'm 661 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,240 going to take your dog before the video even started. 662 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:39,320 So he actually did threaten to take her dog from her and she wasn't making it. 663 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:44,040 So she redacted her statements in regards to that saying that after looking at the context, 664 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,080 she had every right to be afraid or guarding the situation. 665 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:53,400 She also said something like, oh yeah, I got attacked by a homeless person and it was a 666 00:45:53,400 --> 00:46:00,320 very traumatic situation and not a, I harassed, more like sexually harassed and attacked from 667 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,040 my remembrance. 668 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:08,000 Apparently the homeless person went behind her and it was like air humping her. 669 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,280 So very obviously sexual harassment and she got obviously terrified. 670 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,600 Her husband came and all that stuff, she talked about it on maybe social media or her or the 671 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,520 Young Turks channel. 672 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,560 And people started coming at her as like, oh, why you, you know, going after this black 673 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,320 person and blah, blah, blah. 674 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,680 Even though she never said the race and the homeless guy was white, but they were attacking 675 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,480 him assuming that the homeless person was of color. 676 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,760 So a lot of these situations stack upon each other and now she's kind of rethinking how 677 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,640 she used to think. 678 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,920 And a lot of people on the left are like attacking her. 679 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:45,800 A lot of like people in the far left mostly saying she's a grifter saying she's transphobic 680 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,360 saying, you know, 681 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:53,040 Well, that just gets in there every time you can say like, no matter what you say, like, 682 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,520 oh, you're this phobic, you're that phobic. 683 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,840 It's like, I didn't say anything about that or has she come out against the transgender 684 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:00,840 movement as well? 685 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,720 I think she said something. 686 00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:06,320 Let me use my memory skills. 687 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,040 She did talk about trans people. 688 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,320 I think it was either. 689 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,280 I don't remember. 690 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,040 But from what she said, didn't seem transphobic to me. 691 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:23,440 But to be fair, I have a way more level grounded mindset than a lot of these crazy lefties 692 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,640 on the, on the, on Twitter. 693 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:31,920 So anything that kind of sways from the popular leftist opinion is transphobic. 694 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,880 So maybe it was a bathroom situation. 695 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:35,880 I don't remember. 696 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:36,880 I don't remember. 697 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:37,880 Yeah. 698 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:38,880 Yeah. 699 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:45,240 Well, so the YMCA near me about like bathrooms and stuff. 700 00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:53,880 My mom works at a YMCA near me and they had a policy where anybody could use any of the 701 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,080 bathrooms and they were hosting a, like a swim meet. 702 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:05,320 And so there's all like these like middle school younger girls and this like 45 year 703 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:11,280 old dude wearing a bikini just went in and just sat in the bathroom for like 30 minutes 704 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,840 in the locker room and just watched all the girls get changed and ready for the meet. 705 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:23,080 So the bathroom argument so interesting what I've, and we can have a full episode, not 706 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,800 full episode, maybe a subtopic. 707 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,780 I'm not going to have a full episode about the bathroom topic, but the argument is interesting 708 00:48:29,780 --> 00:48:32,240 to me after really thinking about it. 709 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,920 Because someone brought up and I was watching the different hearing. 710 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,960 I think I told you and Paul about it where it was the hearing where they brought a 16 711 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:45,760 year old trans kid to speak on her life or whatever. 712 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,960 And I'm like, Hey bro, why is a 16 year old here? 713 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,400 I don't care what a 16 year old has to say. 714 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,640 So it was able to vote soon. 715 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,720 No, that's such a bad idea. 716 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:58,720 That is such a bad idea. 717 00:48:58,720 --> 00:48:59,720 That's a horrible idea. 718 00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:03,640 18 year olds that's putting a vote. 719 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,800 That's a man. 720 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,040 If they're trying to make 16 year old who would benefit? 721 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,120 I feel like lefties would benefit more at 16 year olds vote, right? 722 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:22,920 Democrats, but Republicans are much more culturally centralized than the left. 723 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,200 But in general, I feel like the left would benefit more. 724 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,080 But anyway, so back to my point. 725 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,560 So when I was hearing one thing about there was a situation where there's an all female 726 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:40,280 like trauma center and you know, it was for women who've been sexually harassed, assaulted 727 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,280 or whatever. 728 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,000 And it's only for females. 729 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:51,160 And there's a situation where a trans female went in, they're like drunk or whatever, very 730 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,480 still look very masculine. 731 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,200 And they kicked them out. 732 00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:01,320 Her out, I'm about to get canceled just for that, just for the pronoun right there. 733 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:07,080 But they kicked the person out and the person got very angry and wanted to sue and all that 734 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,080 stuff. 735 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:16,880 And what it made me think of is, I do think there's a legitimate context behind this conversation. 736 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,200 I mean, I think the best answer is like have a trans specific place. 737 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:27,000 But if for some reason you can't do that, that you can have a trans specific bathroom. 738 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,520 Well, even that would be tough because trans female and a trans male being the same bathroom. 739 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:40,640 I will articulate the point that I've heard on why that wouldn't work. 740 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,240 Okay. 741 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:44,400 Trans women are women. 742 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:51,280 Therefore, if you make a trans specific bathroom, you are inherently admitting that they are 743 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:56,320 not actually women, which I happen to believe is true. 744 00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,160 So the very nature is the same problem with like trans only sports. 745 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,360 And there's other like physiological issues with that as well. 746 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:09,800 But by giving them a trans person bathroom, you are taking away their quote unquote what 747 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:18,760 rights, because they are, they identify and are in their minds actually women. 748 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,440 So if they make a trans specific bathroom, all of the trans people will be upset, which 749 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,960 is why a lot of the Democrats say, no, that's not possible. 750 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,680 And it's usually centrists that recommend this as a good alternative is, oh, just make 751 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:33,980 trans bathrooms. 752 00:51:33,980 --> 00:51:37,040 But the conservatives will say, no, they're not women. 753 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,960 Or if it's a male to female, they're not women. 754 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,320 Therefore, they are still men. 755 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,680 Therefore, they still have to use the men's bathroom. 756 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,560 But the Democrats are saying, no, no, no, these are women. 757 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,560 Therefore, they have to use the female bathroom. 758 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,680 And if we give them a third bathroom, it's just going to turn into the family bathrooms 759 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,840 that already exist in many places. 760 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,840 And that's where I would go because there's not going to be anybody in there because all 761 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,360 the conservatives will say, no, they got to use males. 762 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:07,880 All the Democrats will say, no, they have to use female. 763 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:12,960 But the one people that will certainly not use it will be the actual transgender people 764 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,360 because they're going to go into the one that they identify that they actually are. 765 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,920 Yeah, I for sure heard that argument. 766 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,860 I don't care about that argument. 767 00:52:22,860 --> 00:52:29,800 I think for the most part, once we I'm not going to go into who's actually a woman or 768 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,320 who actually a man. 769 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,880 One thing we do know is the word trans is in front of female and the word trans is front 770 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:36,880 of male. 771 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,640 So inherently, even by the namesake, it's different. 772 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:48,040 But I think something important to consider, I think a better argument is that we wouldn't 773 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,560 have to create one bathroom. 774 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:54,480 We would have to create two bathrooms, two additional bathrooms logistically. 775 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,840 And the reason why is obviously because trans females and trans males aren't the same at 776 00:52:58,840 --> 00:52:59,840 all. 777 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:07,600 Having a bathroom for both of them would be, to be fair, very, very weird and awkward. 778 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,800 Having a trans female specific bathroom, having a trans male specific bathroom is the only 779 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,400 way you can truly go about that situation. 780 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:20,120 And logistics of having four bathrooms and potentially a family bathroom can be tough. 781 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,840 I don't I mean, I'm not going to get into the economics behind that. 782 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:32,880 For me, from what I determined personally in regards to these like female specific areas 783 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:40,320 or male specific areas is that there's a lot of context behind the circumstance that I 784 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:45,080 feel like can be considered in a situation where, for example, there's like a female 785 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:52,240 trauma center, but a trans female really wants to get in there for their own personal trauma. 786 00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:59,400 I think there's a legit argument that can be made is as long as you pass extremely well, 787 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,760 then you should be allowed to use said space. 788 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,320 Because so the plastic surgery is what determines your femaleness. 789 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,720 Well that and the drugs, right? 790 00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:15,520 So and obviously how you take care of your body, because if you don't work out a certain 791 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:20,600 way, if you don't train your vocal cords a certain way. 792 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,840 And I'm not really saying that dictates whether or not you're female. 793 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:34,640 But in terms of a legit legitimate scenario of one, giving them the opportunity to get 794 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,640 or access the space or get the help they need. 795 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:44,540 I think that the better way to kind of go about it instead of having a blanket, no, 796 00:54:44,540 --> 00:54:49,000 you can't come in is kind of identify based on passing. 797 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,360 And I feel like that situation is a little bit more doable. 798 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,920 Because if someone goes throughout their entire life, really trying to be looking like they're 799 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:04,000 trans female, or looking like they're female, and they pass really well, and the point where 800 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:13,680 they're just as, you know, skinny or, or whatever compared to a woman, putting them in a male 801 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,320 centered space when you look like that probably wouldn't help. 802 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,760 At the end of the day, it probably wouldn't. 803 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:24,740 So that's kind of something that I feel like should be considered. 804 00:55:24,740 --> 00:55:30,120 And I don't really care about the the counter argument that, oh, I mean, if they're trans 805 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,640 or trans, like if you really want to be female, you better try your hardest to look freaking 806 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:34,960 female. 807 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:41,440 If you're not trying, then the point of this is mute to me if you're not really trying. 808 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,080 And if they live their life as female, if they look like they're female, if everything 809 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:50,000 about them screams female other than the general organ, then I think there's a legitimate argument 810 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:55,240 that they should be able to use said space to an extent. 811 00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:57,280 So that's something I would consider for sure. 812 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:03,080 Sure, it would have to go based off like, what the person considers passing really well, 813 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:09,000 but I feel like we can determine that honestly, personally, like if the guy can outlift me, 814 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,800 man, I'm just saying that's probably an issue in that situation. 815 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:20,000 If it's very obvious, like, for example, the the remember, have you seen that? 816 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,480 I don't want to even call this a debate, but the interaction between that one trans female 817 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,440 and Ben Shapiro, do you remember that back in the day? 818 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,640 So if someone like that came in, Caitlyn Jenner? 819 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,600 No, that's for sure. 820 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,080 It wasn't Caitlyn Jenner. 821 00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,080 It was. 822 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,120 No, that was an interaction. 823 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,920 I remember I'm going to send you home in an ambulance. 824 00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:41,920 Yeah. 825 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:42,920 Yeah, that one. 826 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:43,920 Yeah. 827 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,440 So that situation, obviously they don't pass very well, whether they want to agree with 828 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:48,440 me or not. 829 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:49,440 They just don't. 830 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:54,640 So, uh, yeah, I just got to just got a message. 831 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:55,640 Stop right there. 832 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,080 Yes, this is a little mini ad. 833 00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,080 Don't skip. 834 00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:00,080 Don't skip. 835 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,600 All I want to tell you right now is that at the end of the day, when it comes down to 836 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:08,760 all the discussions I want to have, I want to be able to communicate with you, the audience. 837 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:14,080 I want to be able to relay a message and receive a 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--> 00:57:53,420 So just checking. 849 00:57:53,420 --> 00:57:54,420 Okay. 850 00:57:54,420 --> 00:57:58,360 But, um, yeah, that's, that's probably something I would, I would consider. 851 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,400 I would, I'll be willing to consider for sure. 852 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,400 Yeah. 853 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,920 I just, I just don't believe that that's like an ontological category. 854 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:11,760 I don't think that God makes mistakes when he puts like the souls of females into men's 855 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,920 body and vice versa. 856 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:21,880 So I just, I don't like, I have all the sympathy in the world with someone who has gender dysphoria. 857 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:27,320 That is a, that's something that's in the DSM five, even the newest iterations, they 858 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,200 still have it in there as a, as a, as a malady of some kind. 859 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,080 And I think they need help. 860 00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:37,400 I don't think the cure for that though, is what is currently going on. 861 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,520 And I don't want to get you in trouble by saying any more about that. 862 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:42,520 Amen. 863 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,920 I've said it, what I said, but Hey, uh, can you hear me? 864 00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:47,920 Yeah I can. 865 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:48,920 Uh, can you hear me? 866 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:49,920 Yes, we can. 867 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:50,920 How's it going, man? 868 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:51,920 Pretty good. 869 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:52,920 Pretty good. 870 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:53,920 Are we live yet? 871 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:54,920 Yeah. 872 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:55,920 Yeah. 873 00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,240 We're, we're, uh, live discussing literally, I get, I'm getting a business call literally 874 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,240 right now. 875 00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:02,240 Can I just meet myself and be right back? 876 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:03,240 Hey, you're fine. 877 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:04,240 You're fine. 878 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:10,040 Um, thanks, but, uh, when it comes down to, I see what you're saying in terms of the ontological 879 00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:14,760 argument and, um, I'm fine with you having that opinion for sure. 880 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:22,520 The, I guess the thing is, and it really comes, it kind of coincides with a different type 881 00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:28,920 of argument in terms of how much we should configure society to make sure we're helping 882 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:38,080 the mentally ill and the, especially the ones that, man, the conversation of like the people 883 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,800 who their brains get completely transformed. 884 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,660 And this is typically due to some type of childhood trauma. 885 00:59:45,660 --> 00:59:52,440 So it's not more than likely from what, what has been found for not even trans people, 886 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:59,120 but also people who are like trans abled or, uh, I'm going to stick there. 887 00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:03,740 I don't want to talk about the other ones, but those people usually kind of come into 888 01:00:03,740 --> 01:00:08,000 their mindset based off some type of childhood trauma to a certain extent. 889 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:13,240 And the only solution is to kind of have them live out their experience. 890 01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:19,160 There's really therapy and all that stuff tend to, or drugs tend to not work. 891 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,920 So I'm also sympathetic. 892 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:27,320 I would say trying to make it, uh, man, this is going to get people upset. 893 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:33,500 Trying to make it normalized is, is questionable, but I would say you always have to be sympathetic 894 01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:34,560 to these people. 895 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,040 We could do a whole episode on this topic that I don't know if you want to do because 896 01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:43,120 of obviously this is a, not a non, I don't care about getting canceled, bro. 897 01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,440 We do, we do what we got to do, but there's so much. 898 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,800 Have you ever heard of John money? 899 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,520 I've heard of John money and the other one that, that was very central. 900 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:55,520 Yeah. 901 01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:56,520 Yeah. 902 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:57,520 Not a lie. 903 01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,280 The only way I've heard about them obviously was from the, what is a woman documentary 904 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,360 from Matt Walsh. 905 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:08,760 And I, I don't think there's any excusable actions you can have for these two individuals 906 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:09,760 for sure. 907 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:10,760 Yes. 908 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:15,380 And so those studies that they did, and I did my own research into this and I've read 909 01:01:15,380 --> 01:01:21,360 other books about it, but their research, their patently fraudulent research is the 910 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,680 research that is still cited today. 911 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:31,360 Last year they create, they, they erected a statue of Alfred Kinsey at a famous gender 912 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,160 study in Indiana university. 913 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:39,000 Their research is the research that's still cited for all the stuff about brain transformation, 914 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,760 about trans people that that is, they cite their research still. 915 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,680 Those are the, that's the only research that they actually have. 916 01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:52,600 There's one other study that they'll cite that came out in either 2021 or 2022 that 917 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,400 they cited like, Oh, this proves gender affirming care. 918 01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:01,220 But it's like, there was like 20 people in the study and I believe six of them dropped 919 01:02:01,220 --> 01:02:03,440 out within six months. 920 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,680 And this is the long-term study that they cite. 921 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:11,800 And it was like, it was like maybe 30 people tops, but even a hundred people on this issue 922 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:17,200 is that's not a big pool of research, let alone when like six of them drop out within 923 01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,680 the first six months because they already regretted their transition. 924 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:26,480 So there's, there's a whole host of, of, you know, methodological issues with the research 925 01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,000 that they do. 926 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:34,760 And so yeah, I'm not convinced that even like, obviously there's famous research that shows 927 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,220 like people can implant memories into your mind. 928 01:02:38,220 --> 01:02:41,880 So especially when you're younger, you can make yourself remember events that actually 929 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:42,880 never happened. 930 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,480 I forget the lady's name, but there's a famous psychologist that did that very thing is Elizabeth 931 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:48,480 something. 932 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:57,640 But I think in a lot of areas, this is kind of what happens is these young people are 933 01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:03,240 very uncomfortable with their age, with the, the way that their bodies are changing. 934 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:08,520 And they see on social media, all of these very negative things, and then they kind of 935 01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,400 create memories for themselves that like, Oh, well, you know what? 936 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,280 I always kind of did feel like a guy. 937 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:15,800 I was always Tom boy. 938 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:16,880 I was always this sort of thing. 939 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,880 I was always that sort of thing. 940 01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:23,520 And now I'm in this area where all of these hormones are being flooded in my body, whether 941 01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:24,840 it's a boy or a girl. 942 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,600 And then they're seeing this as a plot. 943 01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,520 And the more and more this becomes mainstream, the problem is the more and more this becomes 944 01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:36,440 a plausibility for certain people, let alone a lot of the breaking news that has been coming 945 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:42,160 out with clinics that are saying that they don't do this to minors, but actually are. 946 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:43,560 It just, to me, it's very worrisome. 947 01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:49,320 And to me, the solution is not just let them live out their experience because, you know, 948 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:53,320 we can talk about the suicide rate of these people as well, who realized later on, like 949 01:03:53,320 --> 01:04:00,360 the, from the one long-term study that actually was done 10 years is when they begin to most 950 01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,520 to regret their transition 10 years after the surgery. 951 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:09,480 So 10 years down the line is when all the issues are really going to start accumulating. 952 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:14,440 So I'm going to say two things and obviously we're not going to focus on it too much. 953 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,840 We'll have a full episode about it at a different time. 954 01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:24,080 But the first thing is, is that when it comes to the gender study situation, obviously the 955 01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,720 two scumbags are scumbags. 956 01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:33,000 But when it comes to the gender studies research in terms, and it's more specifically, the 957 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,800 conversation is revolving around the young. 958 01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:40,040 I think most people agree that it's relatively nonconclusive. 959 01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:48,280 I mean, a lot of European countries decided to kind of stop in terms of their care until 960 01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:52,160 they get more research on the subject matter. 961 01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:58,400 For a hundred percent certainty, I think the, a lot of these institutions say surgery should 962 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:03,800 be an absolutely no, it should never, it should never be a situation. 963 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:09,760 The gender affirming care is a lot more nuanced, but the research is not definitive. 964 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:15,240 So I definitely see what you're saying in regards to that, but for sure. 965 01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:22,840 My thing is I don't really care about the social media trans people because there's 966 01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:30,280 a lot of things in that situation that's very complex and a lot of it affirms, and I don't 967 01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:35,840 even necessarily, the memory situation, I do think there's validity behind that, but 968 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:42,680 I don't even think it's necessarily a memory, misrememberance on who you are. 969 01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:49,520 But I think honestly, when you're that young, you're not really sure what you are anyway. 970 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:56,400 And the problem is anytime where you kind of tow the line of tomboy or Tom girl, there's 971 01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:03,040 certain types of affirmations that you are that thing and that affirmation is not healthy. 972 01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:12,120 So when it comes to social media, I don't think it's really healthy. 973 01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:16,840 I think one of the reasons they articulate the problem with the late onset gingesphoria, 974 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:23,240 which happens to social media, is typically those people will go on to maybe not get surgeries, 975 01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:28,120 but at least take the hormone stopping the puberty blockers. 976 01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:35,120 And certain of those puberty blockers are chemicals used to chemically castrate sex offenders. 977 01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:40,780 Yeah, a lot of the research on that as well is very nonconclusive as well. 978 01:06:40,780 --> 01:06:46,660 So I would never allow my kids to take drugs like that. 979 01:06:46,660 --> 01:06:52,600 There have been some arguments that it is reversible, but it's a very touchy, it's a 980 01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:58,160 very, very, I'm with not giving kids drugs. 981 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:03,720 I'm obviously, I think most people in America is with not giving them surgeries. 982 01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:09,520 Gender affirming care is a little bit more interesting, but I think for the most part, 983 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,400 you have to let kids live and then decide what they want to do when they become adults. 984 01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,800 If they want to be X, Y, and Z, then go ahead. 985 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,040 I don't, I mean, you're an adult. 986 01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,040 I really care. 987 01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:23,920 But yeah, I think, I think for the most part, like I said, we could dive into that a little 988 01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,800 bit more in the future. 989 01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,600 Let me check on the guests. 990 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:36,800 He got a work call, so I don't know what's going on with him at the moment, but we did 991 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:43,040 say the main topic of discussion would be American isolationism. 992 01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:48,760 And we kind of talked about other things in the meantime, of course, but the conversation 993 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:53,080 American isolationism is a very interesting topic. 994 01:07:53,080 --> 01:08:00,980 And I really don't think for the most part, a lot of these are very nuanced discussions. 995 01:08:00,980 --> 01:08:09,000 I don't think any rational person could make the argument that we should be 100% isolationist 996 01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:13,040 or 100% we should be involved in every single thing. 997 01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:17,840 I don't think any rational person would make either argument. 998 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,020 What do you think? 999 01:08:19,020 --> 01:08:22,240 Are you 100% either way? 1000 01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:23,240 I'm not. 1001 01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:31,200 I would say I lean more towards isolationism, but certainly I think we, I think me and you 1002 01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:32,200 were talking about this. 1003 01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,720 I don't know if it was after a podcast or during a podcast. 1004 01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:36,520 Yeah, it was probably after. 1005 01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,760 I think it was after a podcast. 1006 01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:44,280 Like one of the best ways to like ensure the safety of a neighborhood, right? 1007 01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:48,720 Especially when I'm concerned about my house is first get my house in order, make sure 1008 01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:49,720 everything is good. 1009 01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:55,360 Maybe get a good security system, maybe get a couple of weapons that are suitable for 1010 01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:56,960 defense. 1011 01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:01,040 And then after you do that, like, well, what's the next thing to do? 1012 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:05,000 Then you go on the proactive side and you help start cleaning up the neighborhood. 1013 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,000 When you can make the neighborhood cleaner, then that's like the, obviously the pinnacle 1014 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,000 of safety. 1015 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,840 And then of course, I mean, you can't really worry about the city. 1016 01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:17,240 You can't really do much about that, which is I think how you could extend that out to 1017 01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:21,520 like, you know, the, my bordering nations are my, are my neighborhood and I want to 1018 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:22,520 make sure those are checked. 1019 01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,960 I want to make sure those are good. 1020 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:31,520 And then, and then you can worry about anything else or you can just maintain your current 1021 01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:32,520 state. 1022 01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:33,520 All right. 1023 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:34,520 Hey, can you hear us? 1024 01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:35,520 I can. 1025 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:36,520 Can you hear me? 1026 01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:37,520 Okay. 1027 01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:38,520 Yeah. 1028 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:39,520 Are you good? 1029 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:40,520 You're good to go. 1030 01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:41,520 Okay. 1031 01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:45,360 I want to offer my sincerest apologies. 1032 01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:50,000 Obviously it is not as haphazard and haggard and disorganized as it is right now, but I 1033 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:54,160 am coming back from paternity leave for my newborn child and this is my first week of 1034 01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:55,160 work. 1035 01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,240 So if my logistics seem haphazard, it's because they are. 1036 01:09:58,240 --> 01:09:59,240 All right. 1037 01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,120 I completely understand the situation. 1038 01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:08,680 My friend has recently had a baby and he decided that, amen. 1039 01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:16,000 I'm going to kind of take a leap of faith and have some good time now that my daughter's 1040 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,200 born with my wife again. 1041 01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:24,080 And he thought, he thought he was skilled in what he was doing. 1042 01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:28,080 And well, now number two is on the way. 1043 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:29,080 So 1044 01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:30,080 Nope. 1045 01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:31,760 That's advice to the folks at home. 1046 01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,600 That's why you wear protection. 1047 01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,520 That's why you at least do the rhythm method. 1048 01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,400 You know, that is unfortunate. 1049 01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,000 So I mean, like I've got blessed him. 1050 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,560 I hope he loves both of his children. 1051 01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:46,600 But, you know, I'm sure he would have preferred to have a little bit more time between kids. 1052 01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,960 I mean, I told him, hey, bro, you got to wait until I get like close. 1053 01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,760 And he was like, oh, no, I'm just gonna wait a couple months later. 1054 01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:53,760 Nah. 1055 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:54,760 All right. 1056 01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,120 I was like, okay, great. 1057 01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:57,120 Brave man. 1058 01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:58,120 Brave man. 1059 01:10:58,120 --> 01:10:59,120 I agree. 1060 01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,520 But yeah, glad to have you on the show. 1061 01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:07,160 Obviously people who are listening, this guy is I've seen this content. 1062 01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:10,880 He talked a lot about a lot of different political issues and topics. 1063 01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:15,440 I would say I appreciate anybody who's much more nuanced in the conversation. 1064 01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:22,200 You're not it didn't from my point of view, you don't kind of go to either side extremely. 1065 01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:26,280 And you kind of focus on what is going on the facts of the matter. 1066 01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,560 So kind of started out here. 1067 01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:32,840 Obviously, I'm the host, Riddell, this is my co host, Jonathan. 1068 01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,320 And can you introduce yourself tell people you're about? 1069 01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:37,320 Sure. 1070 01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,320 So my name is Connor. 1071 01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:43,800 I probably I've recently started identifying as an authoritarian centrist. 1072 01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,440 What I mean by that is I want to take the fringes and smash them together until we have 1073 01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:49,640 something that makes sense. 1074 01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:53,560 And the truth is, I'm very frustrated with our current political climate, a lot of what 1075 01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:58,640 is on your guys website and on some of your media on Twitter, very much aligns with my 1076 01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,440 frustration with the current political dynamics. 1077 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:07,200 I was raised conservative and libertarian and was probably libertarian for majority 1078 01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:08,480 of my life. 1079 01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:12,360 But as I grew up, I kind of realized that the state actually does have to have some 1080 01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:15,300 influence on society and policy and all that kind of stuff. 1081 01:12:15,300 --> 01:12:18,120 So I kind of left my libertarian roots alone. 1082 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:22,480 But then what I also found is that progressives drove me and left us in particular driving 1083 01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:24,100 absolutely insane. 1084 01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:28,860 So you know, I try to find the middle ground in the policy that's actually functional. 1085 01:12:28,860 --> 01:12:31,040 And then I end up just driving myself insane. 1086 01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:34,160 So that's my politics sometimes. 1087 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:35,160 That's very fair. 1088 01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:40,000 I see it on Twitter, a lot of all the memes that's going on regarding I'm being a little 1089 01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,520 bit meaner than usual. 1090 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:42,520 My apologies. 1091 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,800 I'm not mad at it. 1092 01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:51,680 I mean, when I when I see the crazy blue haired lefties going crazy with all their phobias 1093 01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,760 and then I see the red pillars saying they're nonsense. 1094 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,920 It's like, bro, what are we doing? 1095 01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:56,920 Right. 1096 01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:58,240 People are talking about right now. 1097 01:12:58,240 --> 01:12:59,240 Yeah. 1098 01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:05,280 So I had to decide to split I spent about 70 percent of my time angry or making the 1099 01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,440 blue haired lefty progressives angry. 1100 01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:12,040 And then I spent about 30 percent of my time making the red pill Christian nationalist 1101 01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:16,280 Muslim theocrat red pill daters mad. 1102 01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,200 So that's how I spend my time on Twitter. 1103 01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,640 That's very valid. 1104 01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:20,640 Very valid. 1105 01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:24,080 So the topic of conversation and we haven't really got into it. 1106 01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:29,560 A few things we've talked about already, and you can provide your own opinion about it. 1107 01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:35,600 We talked about the hearing regarding the FBI director that came out recently and that 1108 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:42,520 situation and how a lot of Republicans were attacking their fellow Republican director. 1109 01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:46,520 And we talked about how a lot of the people on the left is also attacking a fellow lefty 1110 01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,200 with the annex period. 1111 01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,200 So yeah, a lot of people. 1112 01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:55,400 We talked about that for like two seconds and then we just jumped into other things. 1113 01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:56,400 Nice. 1114 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:57,400 Yeah, very fair. 1115 01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:03,760 Well, I think these I think these subjects are aligned in the fact that it's political 1116 01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:07,880 cannibalization of people who aren't like Orthodox people who don't believe every single 1117 01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,160 party line. 1118 01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,800 And I think that's one of the challenges, particularly on the right. 1119 01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:13,920 I haven't seen FBI director. 1120 01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,840 I think his name's Ray Wray, if I remember correctly. 1121 01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:24,520 I haven't seen his testimony, but basically when I was watching the Durham investigation, 1122 01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:32,080 I noticed that there's a real a real divide between what seems like institutionalists, 1123 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:36,160 people who believe in the republic, they believe in electoralism, they believe in liberal democracy, 1124 01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:40,680 they believe in, you know, our law enforcement agencies, all that kind of stuff versus people 1125 01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,360 who are like rabidly anti institutionalist. 1126 01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:45,880 And so that's the divide. 1127 01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,040 It's not left, right, a Republican or Democrat. 1128 01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,960 It's institutionalist versus non institutionalist. 1129 01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:55,960 Yeah, that's definitely what I'm seeing, especially we talked about a little bit earlier, especially 1130 01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:57,280 after Trump. 1131 01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,040 It's definitely become very much so like that. 1132 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:05,640 And it's interesting how the conservative Republicans went from like very pro establishment 1133 01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:10,700 to very anti establishment after his introduction. 1134 01:15:10,700 --> 01:15:15,320 So it's very interesting to see how one man could change so much, of course. 1135 01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:21,880 And that kind of brings us to the topic at hand in terms of American isolation isolationism, 1136 01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:27,440 because Trump was definitely a person who made it one of his foremost ideologies in 1137 01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:32,120 terms of America first and focusing on America. 1138 01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,440 And there's a lot of legitimacy about it. 1139 01:15:34,440 --> 01:15:39,280 Me and Jonathan will talk about a little bit what we think about American isolationism. 1140 01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:43,160 I think for the most part, we can agree that if you're 100% either way, you're kind of 1141 01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:44,320 insane. 1142 01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:49,640 But let me hear your thoughts about American isolate isolationism, of course. 1143 01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:50,640 Yeah. 1144 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,200 And I do have to grab a baby. 1145 01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,720 So you're gonna have to pardon one more interruption in a second, but I'll give you a rant that 1146 01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:59,180 way you can digest it and then we'll then I'll go pick up the baby. 1147 01:15:59,180 --> 01:16:03,840 So what I would say is I'm absolutely not a globalist. 1148 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:09,720 I think that what people kind of identify with globalism is that you are subsuming the 1149 01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,880 American national interest to the global polity. 1150 01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:16,240 You're not actually serving an American working class and middle class folks. 1151 01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:20,920 You'll gut the industry inside the United States in order to make profit for the international 1152 01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,400 corporations that profit the most from globalism. 1153 01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:27,760 And as a result, I think they become reflexively isolationist. 1154 01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:31,720 That being said, I think that the American economy and the American empire, as I would 1155 01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:37,120 describe it, is completely reliant on an international order, at which point it is the hegemon. 1156 01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:42,800 So we benefit from cheap avocados, cheap electronics, cheap processors, all that kind of stuff. 1157 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,640 So we have to maintain our empire to some degree. 1158 01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,040 So what's the balance between these two? 1159 01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:48,520 Because of course, I'm a centrist. 1160 01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,520 It's internationalism. 1161 01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:51,720 It's we are a nation. 1162 01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:52,840 We have an identity. 1163 01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,040 We have a public interest. 1164 01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:56,880 We have a people to defend. 1165 01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:02,720 And it's our job as a nation and our leaders to negotiate our interest in line with other 1166 01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:08,680 nations to find a mutually beneficial thing that doesn't sacrifice our well-being for 1167 01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:09,680 the global order. 1168 01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:10,680 All right. 1169 01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:11,680 I'll be right back. 1170 01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,720 I'm going to grab a newborn child and put him in a rocker. 1171 01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:16,240 Gotcha, gotcha. 1172 01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:23,000 So there's three prongs I want to look at this topic of discussion, morally, politically, 1173 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:24,320 and economically. 1174 01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:30,200 I think a lot of them have innate value in terms of kind of discussing the topic and 1175 01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:35,880 to figure out where exactly people should align in terms of America's involvement at 1176 01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:37,920 the international scale. 1177 01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:44,920 So the first one that is interesting is politically. 1178 01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:49,040 And what I mean by this is obviously America's influence in all the other countries. 1179 01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:53,840 What I mean by this obviously is their relationship with other countries. 1180 01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:58,440 When it comes to conflict, that's also very much important in this discussion as well. 1181 01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:03,280 So I guess, Jonathan, I'll start with you. 1182 01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:10,760 What do you think about America's involvement with other countries in terms of being the 1183 01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:14,680 international power versus isolationists? 1184 01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:23,680 What do you think America's role should be politically global nationwide or worldwide? 1185 01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,680 So I think that... 1186 01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,280 All right, sorry about that. 1187 01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:33,200 Just trying to balance 10 responsibilities at one time and it's working out great. 1188 01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:34,200 I get it. 1189 01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:35,200 No worries, no worries. 1190 01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:42,360 So we're discussing the three prongs here, America, isolationism in terms of the moral 1191 01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:45,360 aspect, the economic aspect, and the political aspect. 1192 01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:52,600 And right now we're talking about America's involvement internationally in terms of their 1193 01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,280 political influence. 1194 01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,320 And Jonathan, go ahead. 1195 01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,440 Let me know what you think. 1196 01:18:58,440 --> 01:19:00,120 I think that there is some... 1197 01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:01,280 I think you made a good point. 1198 01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:07,360 I think in some regards you can't separate economics from politics. 1199 01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:14,080 And we do have an obligation, I think, to ensure our own best interest. 1200 01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:18,040 And so when you want to do that economically, you kind of have to do it politically, right? 1201 01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:23,120 Because you kind of have to smooth ambassadors and other foreign heads of state. 1202 01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:29,320 But we also should, I think, because we benefit when we have similar minded nations that are 1203 01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:33,600 also open and take similar approaches that we do. 1204 01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,280 Obviously we've been doing trade with China to a certain extent, and obviously they're 1205 01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,980 not very politically similar to us. 1206 01:19:40,980 --> 01:19:44,680 But in other regards, we do a lot of other good trade with other nations that kind of 1207 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:45,680 are similar. 1208 01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:50,720 We kind of stuck with Russia and China because of their size and scope and power. 1209 01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:55,560 But if we can get them more on board with our politics, I think we could have an even 1210 01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,560 better relationship with them. 1211 01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:06,680 And so I think in that aspect, politically it is prudent to do deal with them, to do 1212 01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:12,560 business with them rather, and kind of influence them as best as we can. 1213 01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:13,960 Yeah. 1214 01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:20,120 And that's the belief, or at least I think that was Nixon's gambit, which unfortunately 1215 01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:25,960 I'm not a huge fan of, which is that he believed that economic and social liberalization allowing 1216 01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,680 China into the fold, which I guess at some point you really can't deny them anyway. 1217 01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,960 So maybe he was just being realistic. 1218 01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:37,720 But basically with, sorry if you hear a baby crying, I'm going to try to cuddle him. 1219 01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:42,520 But basically like the gambit has been they become a dystopian nightmare now with the 1220 01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:43,820 market economy. 1221 01:20:43,820 --> 01:20:47,280 So that's pretty rough. 1222 01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:52,480 So economically, I think the thing that's interesting, but when I'm focusing on politically 1223 01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:57,640 in terms of America's influence, I definitely think keeping good relationship with ambassadors 1224 01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:59,840 is obviously important. 1225 01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:05,600 But I guess my focus is on is really, so when it comes to these relationships is when should 1226 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:09,840 we get involved when conflict has arisen? 1227 01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:15,100 Because the perfect example is something that's going on right now when it comes to Russia 1228 01:21:15,100 --> 01:21:16,560 and Ukraine. 1229 01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:20,760 And obviously we want to keep good economic relationship with someone like China, but 1230 01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:26,240 even they have potential interest in going after Taiwan. 1231 01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:31,800 And with America and its influence, one thing that we do know is obviously with the strongest 1232 01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,960 military power across the entire globe. 1233 01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:38,680 And we are the people that all the other countries look at. 1234 01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:46,840 Like Counterpoint said, we are the hegemon of all what is going on in terms of international 1235 01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,360 interest into national conflict. 1236 01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:55,600 So with a role like that, especially if you want to keep that level of influence and power 1237 01:21:55,600 --> 01:22:04,160 that levied responsibility across all nations, is it our duty, so to speak, especially with 1238 01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:08,560 our allies that are part of NATO, is it our duty? 1239 01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:12,020 And obviously we know like if NATO gets attacked, we obviously will get involved. 1240 01:22:12,020 --> 01:22:18,320 But in terms of other allies, or even your own personal opinion, is it our duty to really 1241 01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:24,920 protect our allies politically and in conflict when circumstances like a Russia invading Ukraine 1242 01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:30,360 or China invading Taiwan are stuff that is about to happen? 1243 01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:33,000 So what is what are your thoughts about that? 1244 01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:40,960 Yeah, there's a real rhetorical and political disconnect between our recruitment efforts, 1245 01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:46,720 what our military is told, what our generals are told up until they reach a certain stratosphere. 1246 01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:48,680 And same thing with what we tell the American people. 1247 01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:52,040 And I think we just have to be honest with the American people. 1248 01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:55,360 That's really the problem is we're telling the people of the United States one thing 1249 01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:56,920 and we're doing another. 1250 01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:02,600 So when we were growing up, we're told, oh, America is the good guys from World War II. 1251 01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,760 And we came too late to save the Jews. 1252 01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:11,240 But obviously it was vindicated that we got involved and we fought pure, bordering irrational 1253 01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:14,320 evil when it came to Japan and Germany. 1254 01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,760 And then like Russia, maybe we were a little bit too mean to leftists. 1255 01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:22,600 But ultimately, communism, authoritarian communism, was dystopian nightmares that are worse than 1256 01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:24,940 American dystopia. 1257 01:23:24,940 --> 01:23:26,940 So screw those guys, too. 1258 01:23:26,940 --> 01:23:31,700 And so we have this whole like really broad narrative of the United States national interests 1259 01:23:31,700 --> 01:23:36,200 coming onto the global stage and then vying for its own influence. 1260 01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:41,760 But I would say probably since the 70s and 80s, we've had like a international economic 1261 01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:48,640 liberalization with the collapse of the communist shadow, the collapse of the communist empire. 1262 01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:53,500 And so as a result, we're no longer serving just the American interest. 1263 01:23:53,500 --> 01:23:57,480 We're serving the global capitalist economic interest. 1264 01:23:57,480 --> 01:24:04,360 And so I think it's not as sexy to tell 18-year-old kids, hey, you're not signing up to protect 1265 01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:09,000 truth, justice in the American way, apple pie, whiskey and strippers. 1266 01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:16,160 What you're actually protecting is the right of McDonald's to build franchises in Oman 1267 01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:17,160 and Iran. 1268 01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:23,560 So that's like what you're really protecting with the American military interest. 1269 01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:29,220 So I think if you're honest, you'll probably have a less motivated military because they're 1270 01:24:29,220 --> 01:24:32,780 not fighting for truth, justice in the American way. 1271 01:24:32,780 --> 01:24:36,720 But I think you'll have a more honest military with people who know what they're doing, which 1272 01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:40,000 is holding together a global empire. 1273 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:45,880 Don, do you want to add anything? 1274 01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:50,760 No, I think it's pretty good. 1275 01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:54,160 Yeah, I definitely agree. 1276 01:24:54,160 --> 01:25:00,080 When we talk about economically, I'm much more, I lean more isolationist when it comes 1277 01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,680 to our economic influence. 1278 01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:05,840 I do think obviously a lot of things that were said in terms of making sure we have 1279 01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:09,960 good relations with our trade partners is important. 1280 01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:16,120 A lot of people say that, despite America's best efforts, maybe decades down the line, 1281 01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:19,800 China's economic influence will equal America's. 1282 01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:23,560 So we're going to have to see how that kind of works out, especially if we don't establish 1283 01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:28,520 good enough relations, how that works out with China really creeping up on us economically 1284 01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,260 when it comes to their global influence. 1285 01:25:31,260 --> 01:25:39,720 But I definitely am in the spirit of focusing on a lot of more homegrown jobs and industries 1286 01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,480 getting popped up. 1287 01:25:41,480 --> 01:25:45,680 I've heard arguments that the best way we can go on to go about this is kind of talking 1288 01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:52,160 about creating technology, revolving around cars, obviously, AI technology, which is booming. 1289 01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:55,120 Elon Musk decided to create AI too. 1290 01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:56,660 So everybody's creating AI. 1291 01:25:56,660 --> 01:26:00,800 So more jobs to create AI is obviously there. 1292 01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:04,640 I've heard some arguments in terms of making sure we have proper technology in regards 1293 01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:08,700 to 5G networks and creating more jobs regarding there. 1294 01:26:08,700 --> 01:26:14,400 So I'm all in, especially since we won't have to be silver lining on China if we create 1295 01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:21,060 more of these jobs, to create more manufacturer jobs, create more jobs in general at home 1296 01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:24,520 and our nation soil for the people. 1297 01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:28,740 And obviously when it comes to trade and everything, we want to keep those relations there. 1298 01:26:28,740 --> 01:26:34,520 But if we're honest with people and we tell people that, hey, yeah, we're probably you're 1299 01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:40,160 probably going into things at the interest of a lot of these corporations more, more 1300 01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,200 so than not. 1301 01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:50,560 I definitely see the honesty being important, but at the same time, I would be very unsure 1302 01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:55,360 in the cooperation of the people if they hear something like that, that's told to their 1303 01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:56,880 face. 1304 01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:02,960 And with the current kind of anti-establishment idea where they go like, amen, the FBI is 1305 01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:03,960 watching us. 1306 01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:05,560 The FBI is a criminal. 1307 01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:06,560 Amen. 1308 01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:07,560 Police. 1309 01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:09,200 Oh man, they all they hate all races. 1310 01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:10,200 Oh man. 1311 01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:14,920 The Biden wants to protect his son all the time. 1312 01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:15,920 They're very corrupt. 1313 01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,160 All they do is have orgies all the time. 1314 01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:23,420 So when we have situations like these, it doesn't really. 1315 01:27:23,420 --> 01:27:27,200 And then we kind of tell them, hey, yeah, we'll do this for corporations where people hate 1316 01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:32,840 equally as much, arguably more so how many people I hate corporations nowadays that probably 1317 01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,120 would just you got to make it. 1318 01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:37,120 You got to make it sexy. 1319 01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:38,800 OK, you got to make it cool. 1320 01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:39,800 All right. 1321 01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:45,800 Like everybody I know who is worth their salt, they when they watch the movie Avatar, they're 1322 01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:49,920 not rooting for the indigenous, you know, native, blue Native Americans. 1323 01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,160 OK, they're rooting for our boys in green. 1324 01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:57,140 The guys with mech suits and machine guns and oxygen masks and all that kind of stuff. 1325 01:27:57,140 --> 01:27:59,200 So you got to make it sexy and cool. 1326 01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:04,380 And then on top of that, like you also have to sell along with the economic rationale. 1327 01:28:04,380 --> 01:28:07,000 You have to sell what this really means to people. 1328 01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:08,000 OK. 1329 01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,600 And what I mean by that is what they buy in their grocery store. 1330 01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:16,320 We take things for granted that we just get endless amounts of wheat and endless amounts 1331 01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:23,400 of bananas and avocados and consumer products and whatever advanced microchips from Taiwan 1332 01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:26,800 that only they know how to manufacture that we're trying to figure out. 1333 01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,800 We take it totally for granted that we're going to get access to these goods. 1334 01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:34,280 But that's because we already exist in the sixty five trillion dollar commercial empire. 1335 01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:36,560 This is like a fish swimming in water. 1336 01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:40,960 Whereas if you let this thing collapse, all of these things break down. 1337 01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,880 So I think you kind of you're right that there is something gross about being honest that 1338 01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:46,400 you're dying for. 1339 01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,080 I call it global homo. 1340 01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:52,320 But like global corporations, progressive culture, all that kind of stuff. 1341 01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:54,560 It's sad to tell an 18 year old that. 1342 01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:59,400 But I think it's I think it's a lot more moral if an 18 year old is willing to risk his life 1343 01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,200 and die for a better quality of life of the standard. 1344 01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:07,360 And I think you can make a moral argument that it enables us to do this kind of shit. 1345 01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:13,040 The only reason why you and I and Jonathan over here are able to connect via computers 1346 01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:17,600 that are built by plastic that are mined from cobalt from Africa, that are this that the 1347 01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:18,600 other. 1348 01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,960 You can explain global supply chains and why they're so important to daily life, particularly 1349 01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:22,960 in the West. 1350 01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:27,880 Yeah, that type of knowledge is very valid. 1351 01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:31,960 That's just going to ride out for the next hour. 1352 01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:35,120 Yeah, we're just spitting over here. 1353 01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:38,200 But I want to tackle that more argument that you're talking about. 1354 01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:44,040 And I think that's also very interesting to talk about, because a lot of the human's right 1355 01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:49,360 activists probably would argue that America's involvement internationally is that we are 1356 01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:50,960 the strongest nation in the world. 1357 01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:54,840 We are the most powerful military in the entire world. 1358 01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:59,280 We are the country that all of our allies look to in terms of circumstances that are 1359 01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:02,200 going on globally. 1360 01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:07,040 Shouldn't we be involved to protect the people that are innocently getting invaded like a 1361 01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:08,040 Ukraine? 1362 01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,840 Should we protect the people of Taiwan in terms of morally? 1363 01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:17,520 This should be our responsibility to protect the world from, like you said, the commies, 1364 01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:18,520 for example. 1365 01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:19,520 Right. 1366 01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,480 So that moral argument is definitely there. 1367 01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:26,160 But how much weight do you guys think it actually has? 1368 01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:28,760 So this is my thing about that. 1369 01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,440 I agree with sentiment. 1370 01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:32,440 Right. 1371 01:30:32,440 --> 01:30:38,440 Absolutely, if we have the capability, we should be able to protect them by the same 1372 01:30:38,440 --> 01:30:40,840 token, though. 1373 01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:47,600 Progressively more and more, we're also having a kind of crisis of morals in our own country. 1374 01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,440 And this is, I think, where the isolationism versus globalism comes on. 1375 01:30:50,440 --> 01:30:56,400 This aspect is, well, let's make sure that we don't have millions and millions and millions 1376 01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:03,040 of illegal or even legal refugees coming in or immigrants if they're illegal, because 1377 01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:08,720 it's kind of pulling at the fabric or the seams of the fabric of our own country. 1378 01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:13,200 And if we continue to allow that to happen while this is going on, while we're trying 1379 01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:19,840 to involve ourselves with Russia, Ukraine, with China, Taiwan, with all these other skirmishes 1380 01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:26,440 that happen over there, will our own nation be able to remain stable at that area? 1381 01:31:26,440 --> 01:31:31,240 I think once we can batten down the hatches of our own sinking ship, then we can worry 1382 01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:33,120 about other sinking ships. 1383 01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:36,640 But just like with the airplane, when it's crashing, you've got to put your own mask 1384 01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:40,320 on before you put on somebody else's mask, because you're not going to be any good. 1385 01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:43,640 It doesn't matter how many border disputes we get involved with. 1386 01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:45,920 We saw this when we pulled out of Afghanistan. 1387 01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:49,600 It went to hell in a handbasket, because we didn't do it right, because we were trying 1388 01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:51,000 to focus on too many things at once. 1389 01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:55,640 We shouldn't be involving ourselves in these global issues if we're not even going to be 1390 01:31:55,640 --> 01:32:00,160 around to kind of inherit that peace that we create. 1391 01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:03,720 And then when we kind of go away, what's going to happen? 1392 01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:08,360 That's one of the problems is we did not equip well enough Afghanistan to handle our not 1393 01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:11,240 being there, and then it just went away. 1394 01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:17,040 So we're the ones who are just tyrannically imposing ourselves on other countries, and 1395 01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,800 we just get just all of a sudden are gone. 1396 01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:23,320 It's going to cause way more chaos than any of the amount of order we created. 1397 01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:27,720 OK, so I really love this, but I want to respond to it, too. 1398 01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:32,520 So Afghanistan's failure is not for a lack of trying. 1399 01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:34,580 We spent billions of dollars in there. 1400 01:32:34,580 --> 01:32:40,560 We spent hours and days and years training Afghan security forces. 1401 01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:42,060 We tried to fight corruption. 1402 01:32:42,060 --> 01:32:44,000 We tried to eradicate the drug trade. 1403 01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:45,000 That didn't work. 1404 01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:50,520 So we tried to do a lot of things by imposing our moral system on people who simply did 1405 01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:51,520 not want it. 1406 01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:54,640 And I know that there's a bunch of that. 1407 01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:58,080 There's actually just one person that I'm thinking of, Red Charlotte on Twitter, who 1408 01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:02,200 still makes like moral arguments for American involvement in Afghanistan. 1409 01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:06,660 But for all her cope about how some people want us there and that there's all these interpreters 1410 01:33:06,660 --> 01:33:09,700 and local people who want us there, I think it's just cope. 1411 01:33:09,700 --> 01:33:14,160 Because if there were that many people who wanted liberal democracy and Western style 1412 01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:18,240 capitalism and American influence and all that kind of stuff, the country of Afghanistan 1413 01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:21,360 would have not have collapsed to the Taliban in 11 days. 1414 01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:22,680 Let's be real, OK? 1415 01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:28,760 And so the reason why I think that this is different is Ukraine is not collapsing after 1416 01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:30,200 11 days. 1417 01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,760 And we don't even have troops on the ground. 1418 01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:37,500 In Afghanistan and Iraq, it was American troops that were kicking in doors with Afghan police 1419 01:33:37,500 --> 01:33:39,320 and Afghan military. 1420 01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:41,960 Find them not in front of them. 1421 01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:46,280 Whether it's Ukrainian soldiers who are taking doors, they just happen to have American weapons 1422 01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:47,740 and ammunition. 1423 01:33:47,740 --> 01:33:51,080 So I just saw while we were live, I didn't mention this job. 1424 01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:52,160 Probably should have. 1425 01:33:52,160 --> 01:34:00,800 I just saw Justin Biden authorizes Pentagon to send three thousand reservists to Europe. 1426 01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,600 So seems like people in there. 1427 01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,440 Where in Poland isn't that big of a deal? 1428 01:34:06,440 --> 01:34:08,240 Yeah, we're exactly in Europe. 1429 01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:09,240 Are they are they going? 1430 01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:13,280 It just says it just from I think from the watch, so I can't read the whole article. 1431 01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:19,160 So if it says if it says Poland or Germany, we're just really posturing to tell Russia 1432 01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:20,480 to fuck and fuck jobs. 1433 01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:21,480 That's what we're really doing. 1434 01:34:21,480 --> 01:34:22,480 Probably. 1435 01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:24,480 I could pull it up if you want me to. 1436 01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:25,480 Oh, you can. 1437 01:34:25,480 --> 01:34:30,360 If you want, if I can kind of like I know we're all about new walks and centrism and 1438 01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,800 hybridizing perspectives and all that because I want to slide. 1439 01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:33,800 Well, I am. 1440 01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:34,800 Jonathan is a conservative. 1441 01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:35,800 He that is not. 1442 01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:40,040 Well, well, well, I want to I want to slide Jonathan's way real quick. 1443 01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:45,120 I think the difference that I pointed out between Ukraine and Afghanistan is material. 1444 01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:47,280 I think it is absolutely relevant. 1445 01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:54,720 However, I think that there can be much said about America having a much softer approach 1446 01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:59,040 where instead of putting boots on the ground and doing a physical invasion and having people 1447 01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:03,720 who are capable of being shot who have to fight a counterinsurgency and all that kind 1448 01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:11,280 of stuff, I think it would be much more fruitful, less bloody and probably less materially costly 1449 01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:18,120 to simply fund people who want to work with us, who are already aligned with our values. 1450 01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:22,160 So instead of trying to impose top down, you say, hey, if you want to work with us, you 1451 01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:25,620 want to provide us material goods, you want to be a part of the EU, you want to be a part 1452 01:35:25,620 --> 01:35:29,120 of like an international trades agreement, you want to be access to the market, all that 1453 01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:30,620 kind of stuff will help you. 1454 01:35:30,620 --> 01:35:34,400 But we will train your security forces and we will give you the weapons and ammunition 1455 01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:35,840 you need to fight your own conflicts. 1456 01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:42,600 But ultimately, at the end of the day, it is your responsibility to fight these conflicts. 1457 01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:48,920 Funny thing is, I definitely align with a lot of that sentiment, because when you really 1458 01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:54,000 think about these situations, especially circumstances like you mentioned earlier, where they don't 1459 01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:58,820 even want us here, there's really no innate benefit other than trying to adhere to some 1460 01:35:58,820 --> 01:36:03,800 type of moral value for us to be in that circumstance in the first place. 1461 01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:09,000 I agree that we should kind of, especially if they are more than willing to adopt the 1462 01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:14,840 values that we currently possess, then obviously we should not only do what you said, but try 1463 01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:19,080 to make sure that we're trying to establish a certain type of diplomacy inside that country 1464 01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:20,680 as well. 1465 01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:27,160 And that's why the situation with Ukraine is so interesting, especially now they're 1466 01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:34,000 trying to join NATO is it seems like they're trying to work towards having a more Western 1467 01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:35,360 value system. 1468 01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:38,720 It seems like they're really, well, you don't believe it. 1469 01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:40,920 You don't believe is Zelensky adopting it? 1470 01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:44,160 Well, we'll have to see. 1471 01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:48,800 But from the surface, it does seem like he's trying to do something like that. 1472 01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:50,680 And then we're here doing what you're saying. 1473 01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:54,760 We're not putting boots on the ground or trying to help. 1474 01:36:54,760 --> 01:37:01,720 So once it reaches a pinnacle where it seems like, OK, now Ukraine seems like they're about 1475 01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:05,960 to lose, what should America do that? 1476 01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:10,400 Well, I don't I don't think they're going to. 1477 01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:14,920 I think what's realistic, at least from what I can tell, passively consuming information 1478 01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:18,200 on the Ukrainian conflict, they're not going to lose Western Ukraine. 1479 01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:22,180 They're not going to lose Lviv or Kiev or Kiev or however the fuck you pronounce it. 1480 01:37:22,180 --> 01:37:23,560 They're not going to lose Kyrgyzstan. 1481 01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:25,220 They're not going to lose any of that kind of stuff. 1482 01:37:25,220 --> 01:37:27,400 That's all going to stay in Ukrainian hands. 1483 01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:31,080 When it comes to Donetsk and Luhansk, I don't think they're going to take it back because, 1484 01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:33,800 one, they have to fight through Russian regular forces. 1485 01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,940 And then two, there's a strong chance that they would have to fight insurgency against 1486 01:37:36,940 --> 01:37:39,520 militias that were sympathetic to Russia. 1487 01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:42,820 That's a nightmare and they shouldn't engage in it because that's basically what we did 1488 01:37:42,820 --> 01:37:44,320 in Iraq and Afghanistan. 1489 01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:47,480 And counterinsurgency work is a nightmare. 1490 01:37:47,480 --> 01:37:49,980 Nobody should want to actively engage in it. 1491 01:37:49,980 --> 01:37:56,160 But that being said, I think Russia could retain Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea and then 1492 01:37:56,160 --> 01:38:04,000 Ukraine could take down or take the area of Zaporizhzhia, which is basically the land 1493 01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,380 bridge between Donetsk and Crimea. 1494 01:38:07,380 --> 01:38:14,040 And if they take that area back, I think it's actually, it's morally imperative that the 1495 01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:18,440 United States go to Ukraine and say, this is as good as it's going to get. 1496 01:38:18,440 --> 01:38:20,280 We will support you going into the EU. 1497 01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:22,180 We will support you going into NATO. 1498 01:38:22,180 --> 01:38:24,080 But you need to sue for peace. 1499 01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:25,880 This is as good as it's going to get. 1500 01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:31,040 Give Russia Ukraine, or excuse me, Ukraine should give Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea to 1501 01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:32,040 Russia. 1502 01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:33,340 Call it a day. 1503 01:38:33,340 --> 01:38:34,760 This is the best deal we're going to get. 1504 01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:38,020 And then if you're not going to take that deal, we're going to stop giving you so many 1505 01:38:38,020 --> 01:38:41,320 weapons and bullets and money. 1506 01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:48,400 If Biden is willing to kind of make that aggressive proposition to Zelensky, I'm not sure. 1507 01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:50,400 I'm not sure that. 1508 01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:54,800 Well, but apparently there's there's ultra nationalists in Ukraine who wouldn't go for 1509 01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:55,800 that. 1510 01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:59,040 But I'm pretty sure that they can be brought to the table really easily when they stop 1511 01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:04,600 receiving bullets and F-16s and missiles and communications gear and artillery and high 1512 01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:05,600 Mars rockets. 1513 01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:07,800 That's a lot of leverage. 1514 01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:10,480 I think I think this is one of the issues with that. 1515 01:39:10,480 --> 01:39:16,760 And I like I haven't read up a whole lot on like the whole strategy that's being taken 1516 01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:25,640 place, but I don't think it behooves America if they want that kind of solution. 1517 01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:29,320 If they just keep sending money, if they keep sending armaments, if they keep sending all 1518 01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:36,640 these things, Ukraine has no motivation to sue for peace because if they're going to 1519 01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:41,160 continue to receive all of these nice new coming, you know, just the funds that go there 1520 01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:46,240 as well, they don't have much of an incentive to stop because it kind of is a stalemate. 1521 01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:52,840 I lean towards more the the notion that Ukraine or that Russia is doing better. 1522 01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:54,960 You know, this is coming from Russia. 1523 01:39:54,960 --> 01:40:00,320 I typically just don't trust a lot of their news systems. 1524 01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:01,800 Call me crazy. 1525 01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:05,280 But anything that comes from Russia saying, oh, we're doing really good. 1526 01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:07,400 I mean, this war has been going on for what? 1527 01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:10,920 Almost two years now, two years now, more than two years. 1528 01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:15,280 I think if Russia was going to have won, they would have done it a while ago. 1529 01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:17,800 I that's simply my belief. 1530 01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:19,140 Call me crazy. 1531 01:40:19,140 --> 01:40:24,840 But as long as America keeps sending funds and money and armaments to Ukraine, they have 1532 01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:26,880 no imperative to stop. 1533 01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:28,880 They have no imperative to call it quits. 1534 01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:35,580 It has it has to be America saying this is your two options in X amount of days. 1535 01:40:35,580 --> 01:40:37,440 You will stop receiving funds from us. 1536 01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:38,720 You'll stop receiving money from us. 1537 01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:40,780 You'll stop receiving guns from us. 1538 01:40:40,780 --> 01:40:45,920 And you can either continue on your own or you can say this is what's going to happen. 1539 01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:48,040 You're going to keep these lands and we're going to keep this. 1540 01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:50,240 We're just going to call it good. 1541 01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:51,240 Yeah. 1542 01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:54,720 In the in the reason why what's funny is I have a couple of people in chat who disagree 1543 01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:55,720 with me. 1544 01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:59,840 They actually think that the Ukraine the American and Ukrainian position is it's all 1545 01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:05,540 or nothing, which I don't think that they're militarily or logistically capable of achieving. 1546 01:41:05,540 --> 01:41:10,560 So then you're just talking about like a decades long conflict along these hyper militarized 1547 01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:16,000 borders that sucks the the wealth and energy and youth out of both countries, which I think 1548 01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:17,920 is horrible for all parties involved. 1549 01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:21,840 Unfortunately, I think we're stupid enough to do something like that. 1550 01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:29,760 But what I think we should do in ought claim, I think the ought claim should be Russia wants 1551 01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:31,760 a warm water port in Crimea. 1552 01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:32,880 That's why they want to keep it. 1553 01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:39,320 It's the same reason why they went to Syria and they kept Assad in Russia once the majority 1554 01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:42,560 of them are ethnically Russian places to be under Russian control and technically their 1555 01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:44,400 autonomous zones or whatever the fuck. 1556 01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:46,500 But they don't want those places to be under Ukrainian control. 1557 01:41:46,500 --> 01:41:47,640 They don't want them to be shelled. 1558 01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:51,800 They don't want the local people to get artillery strike by Ukraine. 1559 01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:57,200 Those are totally reasonable asked considering that this is their geopolitical backyard. 1560 01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:03,200 This is the equivalent of like Russia coming to Cuba and then us not being willing to give 1561 01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:06,360 up like Guantanamo Bay in order to get peace. 1562 01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:12,440 Like we need to have kind of realistic expectations of what's militarily possible and what's good 1563 01:42:12,440 --> 01:42:13,640 for everybody. 1564 01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:23,480 And I think this is where the hyper globalist anti-human perspective would be, let's just 1565 01:42:23,480 --> 01:42:28,960 feed Ukrainians into a meat grinder in order to sabotage Russia so the rest of the world 1566 01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:29,960 can do well. 1567 01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:35,240 And I think the centrist internationalist argument would be Ukraine needs to do well. 1568 01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:38,640 Russia needs to do well and the international order needs to do well. 1569 01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:40,680 What's the solution that works for everybody best? 1570 01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:42,960 Yeah, I agree with that, especially. 1571 01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:48,880 I mean, does am I am I wrong in the assumption that Ukraine still provides a large, large 1572 01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:50,680 if not the most amount of grain? 1573 01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:57,520 Are they still grain, grain and natural gas is huge, huge parts of their economy. 1574 01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:02,400 So they do need to do well, which is one of the things we talked about before, like in 1575 01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:07,720 some ways, like soft kind of I don't I hesitate to use the word indoctrination, but like indoctrination 1576 01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:11,880 of, you know, work well with us, be more democratic. 1577 01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:15,200 And one can argue that like Riddell was saying, maybe they are. 1578 01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:19,760 I just believe that, you know, based on history and all that sort of thing, I think they're 1579 01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:22,080 just it's still Eastern Europe. 1580 01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:24,160 OK, give them some slack. 1581 01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:25,160 Yeah. 1582 01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:26,160 Yeah. 1583 01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:32,000 And then they could be the the Western version of an Eastern European country. 1584 01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:33,000 It's possible. 1585 01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:34,760 Yeah, that's that's the best we could hope for. 1586 01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:36,560 Like like 30 percent corrupt. 1587 01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,720 OK, just a little bit of corruption, a little bit off the top. 1588 01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:43,560 You know, the cop is only asking for a fifty dollar bribe instead of a two hundred dollar 1589 01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:44,560 bribe. 1590 01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:45,960 OK, you know, we can only do so much. 1591 01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:46,960 Exactly. 1592 01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:47,960 We're getting there. 1593 01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:52,480 But I think an interesting hypothetical to think about, because this also falls in line 1594 01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:58,600 with this kind of moral discussion, is what if Putin says no? 1595 01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:05,360 What if United States and Zelensky in Ukraine try to broker peace, try to reach a certain 1596 01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:11,040 type of kind of understanding, maybe give up the the areas, the territory that you were 1597 01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:12,040 mentioning. 1598 01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:18,960 But Putin, after, you know, like you said, around two years of this, considering he did 1599 01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:24,420 this, he decided to decide to start this and all he can get is this this territory for 1600 01:44:24,420 --> 01:44:29,840 two years of conflict and all the kind of restrictions that happen in Russia in the 1601 01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:31,400 meantime. 1602 01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:39,500 What if he tries to compensate it by saying, hey, now I want more at that point. 1603 01:44:39,500 --> 01:44:44,680 In terms of America's responsibility, are we just going to give up on Ukraine? 1604 01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:47,120 No, of course not. 1605 01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:51,500 What we're going to do is we're going to we're going to force Russia to feed their generational 1606 01:44:51,500 --> 01:44:55,680 youth into a high technology meat grinder. 1607 01:44:55,680 --> 01:45:02,680 You know, Russian conscripts armed with SKS rifles and soft body armor and ammunition 1608 01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:06,160 that's rotting outside of, you know, their pouches and all that kind of stuff. 1609 01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:10,680 They can get artillery strikes by, you know, rockets that are capable of, you know, hitting 1610 01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:12,400 the ass hair on a spider. 1611 01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,280 You know, that's just the way that it is. 1612 01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:15,280 And that's unfortunate. 1613 01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:16,800 I don't want that to happen to Russia's youth. 1614 01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:23,400 I actually think it's a cultural and historical crime that Europe and Russia have been so 1615 01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:24,960 opposed for so long. 1616 01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:32,840 I don't think there's really any logical divide between these cultures that couldn't be bridged 1617 01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:37,080 by some reaching out and understanding. 1618 01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:40,440 But the truth is, if Vladimir wants to double down, then he can double down into some high 1619 01:45:40,440 --> 01:45:41,440 Mars rockets. 1620 01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:43,440 What do you think, Jonathan? 1621 01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:46,640 I'm very curious on your opinion about this. 1622 01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:53,640 So just the latter part of his statement first, I think Russia, for all of its saying that 1623 01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:56,560 the USSR has collapsed is really not. 1624 01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:59,860 They're still a pretty communist nation, I think, ideologically. 1625 01:45:59,860 --> 01:46:06,920 And I do think America and the Western belief system, and this is I think part of the reason 1626 01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:10,680 why we would say this is Americans is that we can bridge the gap, right? 1627 01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:12,640 America, the West and communism. 1628 01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:16,840 But communism inherently cannot exist in a world in which the West lives, which is where 1629 01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:20,840 the ideological tension comes for so long, an unbridgeable gap, because the West can 1630 01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:24,040 exist in a world in which communism does, but not vice versa. 1631 01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:28,000 It doesn't go the other way around, which is why they will, as long as communism exists, 1632 01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:31,360 it will be ideologically opposed to the West. 1633 01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:38,880 As for what happens if Putin says, no, I want more. 1634 01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:45,400 I think there's a prudential matter, and then the prudential matter is the one that you 1635 01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:47,920 said, Connor, right? 1636 01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:52,280 Connor pointed out, and they do provide us a lot of natural gas. 1637 01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:57,040 There's a lot of grain to be given there. 1638 01:46:57,040 --> 01:46:58,580 So maybe we should consider that. 1639 01:46:58,580 --> 01:47:04,400 But the problem would be the risk of more than just the United States getting involved 1640 01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:05,400 at that point. 1641 01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:09,840 We're looking at potentially another, maybe Europe would jump in. 1642 01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:14,720 And then if they jumped in, maybe Ukraine or maybe Russia would get somebody to side 1643 01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:15,720 in. 1644 01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:17,160 I have a map pointing at me. 1645 01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:22,840 So if we got involved, chances are probably Great Britain may or may not get involved. 1646 01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:25,600 Maybe parts of other Europe would get involved. 1647 01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:31,000 Certainly it seems Belarus was the nation that kind of cited Russia a little bit in 1648 01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:33,980 that little Wagner revolt. 1649 01:47:33,980 --> 01:47:36,780 Maybe they get involved with Russia. 1650 01:47:36,780 --> 01:47:39,480 And then we have another world war on our hands. 1651 01:47:39,480 --> 01:47:44,400 And I think that is equally as imprudent as it would be prudent to help Ukraine. 1652 01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:48,600 And so then we're stuck in a little bit of a pickle of what do we do? 1653 01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:56,800 But here's this thing is I really wish that conservatives in particular would kind of 1654 01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:58,880 debate like far left us. 1655 01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:02,560 Kind of like the people that I spend time with, Bosch, Demon Mama. 1656 01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:07,960 I'm trying to think of some of the tankies, but Hakeem or God help me. 1657 01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:09,840 I'm trying to think of some other ones. 1658 01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:15,960 But basically, there's a bunch of leftists and they have a very theological approach 1659 01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:17,440 to socialism and communism. 1660 01:48:17,440 --> 01:48:19,760 And by that, I mean like they're indoctrinated. 1661 01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:20,760 They believe in it. 1662 01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:21,760 It's very visceral. 1663 01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:23,360 It's very well defined. 1664 01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:27,520 And so when we're talking about socialism, if you're talking to a Marxist or a leftist, 1665 01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:32,400 it's defined as the decommodification of basic human need and workers owning the means of 1666 01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:33,400 production. 1667 01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:35,880 So basically, human needs are taken care of. 1668 01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:39,680 And then on top of that, the workers control everything. 1669 01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:45,640 Now the thing is, when you look at the Soviet Russia or Maoist China, what really happened 1670 01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:52,560 was the state said, vest the power in us and we will make sure that everyone is taken care 1671 01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:53,560 of. 1672 01:48:53,560 --> 01:49:00,240 As far as I understand history, they never achieved the Marxist definition of socialism, 1673 01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:06,040 let alone communism, which if I understand communism from a leftist frame is like a moneyless, 1674 01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:07,380 stateless classless society. 1675 01:49:07,380 --> 01:49:08,600 That's how they define it. 1676 01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:14,440 So communism is like this ethereal utopian paradise that has never occurred in reality. 1677 01:49:14,440 --> 01:49:20,160 Socialism is the thing that has been implemented in really flawed, brutish, violent ways that 1678 01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:25,040 leftists themselves will never admit to being good, but they'll still kind of play defense 1679 01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:26,040 for. 1680 01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:30,000 So to me, when I look, just to bring this all home, when I looked at the, when I look 1681 01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:34,960 at the collapse Soviet Union and I see Russia in its sphere of influence, I don't see people 1682 01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:38,440 who are dedicated to the teachings of Marx and Lenin. 1683 01:49:38,440 --> 01:49:43,880 I see people who look at the greatness of their national history, being a peer competitor 1684 01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:47,920 with the United States, beating us in the space race for a little bit, having military 1685 01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:52,560 technologies that were on par with us, making Europe piss their pants whenever they flex 1686 01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:53,560 their muscles. 1687 01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:58,800 I see people who miss being great and want to return to some level of greatness. 1688 01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:02,760 And I still don't feel like that is an unbridgeable gap. 1689 01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:06,320 Final rant, Russia has really cool fucking technology. 1690 01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:09,260 Their logistics are just dog shit. 1691 01:50:09,260 --> 01:50:13,800 And so I think it's okay to say, Hey, Russia, you're taking the L on the logistics, but 1692 01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:16,520 I really like the way your fighter jets look like that. 1693 01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:17,520 They look cool. 1694 01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:24,720 They can give them some props. 1695 01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:30,160 That's a very empathetic view of Russia that I definitely appreciate for a certain extent, 1696 01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:34,200 because I mean, I don't really talk, I mean, ever since the conflict, you don't really 1697 01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:38,440 hear anybody, unless they're kind of some crazy conspiracy theorists, talk positively 1698 01:50:38,440 --> 01:50:41,720 about Russia, of course, and Putin, of course. 1699 01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:47,560 So it's a interesting viewpoint to kind of look at Russia in that vein as the nation 1700 01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:55,400 that's not focused on dominating based on this kind of not efficient ideological political 1701 01:50:55,400 --> 01:51:00,400 ideology, but more so focused on trying to be a powerful nation that competes with America 1702 01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,640 again. 1703 01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:05,160 And there's a certain sentiment that I think everybody can understand. 1704 01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:13,600 I mean, Americans are a little bit kind of spoiled because most people in our, I mean, 1705 01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:19,720 definitely people, me and your generation, Jonathan, these people grew up in the most 1706 01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:20,880 powerful nation, right? 1707 01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:22,080 We don't have to worry about that. 1708 01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:28,140 All of our kind of complaints come back from a much more kind of spoiled mindset. 1709 01:51:28,140 --> 01:51:32,640 But with that said, and looking at this kind of situation in terms of American isolation, 1710 01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:39,040 isolation was, or I give up, I just, it's never going to work. 1711 01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:43,560 When looking at this circumstance from my understanding from everybody and my own kind 1712 01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:49,440 of viewpoint is that the moral argument is valid because obviously we're all humans to 1713 01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:54,560 it, but it's not a argument that should solely focus on the decisions that are being made 1714 01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:57,520 from us as a country, right? 1715 01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:01,980 Seems like the foremost decisions that should be made obviously will be coming economically 1716 01:52:01,980 --> 01:52:03,280 our economic interests. 1717 01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:06,200 That's obviously how we're going to grow as a nation. 1718 01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:08,120 And I'm under the vein. 1719 01:52:08,120 --> 01:52:11,840 And I think you two as a very similar is that we should definitely focus more. 1720 01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:20,440 So with the having more jobs and not relying on other countries like China as much as we 1721 01:52:20,440 --> 01:52:22,280 are currently. 1722 01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:26,280 And then obviously the, the, the political sentiment obviously is focused on making sure 1723 01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:33,840 America kind of retains the power and keeps international peace to a certain extent that 1724 01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:38,620 we're not a kind of putting ourselves in another world war. 1725 01:52:38,620 --> 01:52:45,200 So I guess the last point to bring up in this discussion is a lot of people argue that America 1726 01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:47,940 has so many problems. 1727 01:52:47,940 --> 01:52:53,720 We are so problematic in so many issues, whether people are complaining about the cops, whether 1728 01:52:53,720 --> 01:52:58,880 people are complaining about or legitimately complaining about the public education system 1729 01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:03,160 or the poor communities and trying to fix those situations. 1730 01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:09,360 In terms of these more domestic complaints and issues that people are having with our 1731 01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:14,200 country versus our international interests, what do you guys really, what do you guys 1732 01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:21,480 believe is the proper line we should go in terms of focusing on domestic interests versus 1733 01:53:21,480 --> 01:53:22,480 international interests? 1734 01:53:22,480 --> 01:53:24,320 What do you, what do you, what do you do? 1735 01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:29,720 You put your line in terms of those values. 1736 01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:31,280 I can rant for three minutes, Jonathan. 1737 01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:34,360 You got a rant in your chamber or should I just go? 1738 01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:35,800 I don't rant typically. 1739 01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:38,480 So you go first and then I'll. 1740 01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:39,480 Okay. 1741 01:53:39,480 --> 01:53:44,140 So, so what I would say is there's this great quote from the movie Full Metal Jacket where 1742 01:53:44,140 --> 01:53:49,440 he's talking about Vietnamese people and he says, inside every single Vietnamese slur 1743 01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:52,080 is an American waiting to crawl out. 1744 01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:55,000 And I really do feel that like that's relatively true. 1745 01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:59,120 People relatively speaking, they like freedom, they like liberty, they like the freedom of 1746 01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:02,520 conscience, they like the ability to choose their religion, they like the ability to choose 1747 01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:05,460 their sexual partner, they like the ability to choose their work. 1748 01:54:05,460 --> 01:54:10,280 So generally speaking, I think mixed economy, capitalist, liberal democracy is the way to 1749 01:54:10,280 --> 01:54:11,280 go. 1750 01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:15,860 Then when it comes to how do we deal with that in an international relations sense, 1751 01:54:15,860 --> 01:54:20,840 we do have competitors and rivals that we have to recognize. 1752 01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:28,640 China is running a state capitalist, socialist, whatever you want to call it, dystopian authoritarian 1753 01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:31,800 nightmare that we basically need to rival and destroy. 1754 01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:34,440 They need to have a USSR level social collapse. 1755 01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:38,120 They just need to in order for the world to be secure. 1756 01:54:38,120 --> 01:54:41,540 When it comes to Russia, I think it's more like a kleptocracy. 1757 01:54:41,540 --> 01:54:45,360 It's like four mobsters in a trench coat pretending to be a country. 1758 01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:49,080 They just need to be, they just need to, they will collapse because it's a kleptocratic 1759 01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:50,080 nightmare. 1760 01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:56,080 So, when it comes to liberal democracies, how do we make sure that we don't collapse 1761 01:54:56,080 --> 01:55:00,280 the United States itself under its own weight and under its own problems by taking on too 1762 01:55:00,280 --> 01:55:01,280 much? 1763 01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:07,080 What I think that you do is you delegate those responsibilities to other people in a way 1764 01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:09,480 that actually they can handle. 1765 01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:14,540 France and Germany have the economic capacity to be military powers that are capable of 1766 01:55:14,540 --> 01:55:16,520 holding down Western Europe. 1767 01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:26,440 Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, while individually are not capable of holding down Eastern Europe, 1768 01:55:26,440 --> 01:55:31,000 they are capable of forming an Eastern European alliance that could check Russia and with 1769 01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:37,120 American backing would be perfectly fine and militarily expedient and vicious to fight. 1770 01:55:37,120 --> 01:55:40,620 When it comes to Africa and South and Central America and all that kind of stuff, these 1771 01:55:40,620 --> 01:55:45,560 are places where we need to look for partners, people who are looking to work with us. 1772 01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:49,200 That way we don't have to pay narco death squads to go execute people in the middle 1773 01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:50,200 of the night. 1774 01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:53,640 We probably need to have a less heavy handed, more moral approach when it comes to relating 1775 01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:54,820 to these countries. 1776 01:55:54,820 --> 01:55:59,480 But I think what will collapse us is if every time there's a problem, this is just like 1777 01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:03,480 Rome, every time there's a problem, you just send the United States military, eventually 1778 01:56:03,480 --> 01:56:05,900 we're going to run out of blood and we're going to run out of treasure and we're going 1779 01:56:05,900 --> 01:56:07,440 to run out of the will to fight. 1780 01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:12,940 Whereas if we just say, hey, you become a part of this thing and you fight your own 1781 01:56:12,940 --> 01:56:16,780 battles but we'll support you and train you and if you fight for it yourself, we'll make 1782 01:56:16,780 --> 01:56:19,400 you rich and happy and free. 1783 01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:23,600 That's infinitely more sustainable on a broad scale. 1784 01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:28,720 So one of the things I think is I agree with that approach overall and I think Rome came 1785 01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:31,440 to a place where that was true. 1786 01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:36,440 But for a long time, and I think this is kind of my approach is first we have to worry about 1787 01:56:36,440 --> 01:56:37,440 ourselves, right? 1788 01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:43,440 And so let's say for the sake of this theoretical proposition that we have a very strong American 1789 01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:44,880 identity again. 1790 01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:50,000 I agree with everything you said about Europe and how that could work and how those could 1791 01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:52,240 kind of put a check on these other countries. 1792 01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:56,440 When it comes to conflicts that comes, one of the things that Rome did that was very 1793 01:56:56,440 --> 01:57:02,480 intelligent and did a great job is because there was an idea that this is Rome. 1794 01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:06,960 When they went to other countries and conquered them, those that joined the military gained 1795 01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:08,720 citizenship. 1796 01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:10,320 But those are the ones who served the military. 1797 01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:12,060 What about the other ones? 1798 01:57:12,060 --> 01:57:17,600 So what they would do a lot of times is say we had some skirmishes in North Africa and 1799 01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:23,600 we had to go down there and the citizens would be given like a one quarter Roman status and 1800 01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:27,160 so they'd earn some of the privileges and then through time they could work their way 1801 01:57:27,160 --> 01:57:29,000 up to full citizenship. 1802 01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:35,320 And that worked as a great way but unfortunately we have this anti-imperialism mindset now 1803 01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:38,240 which one can argue is either good or bad. 1804 01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:45,160 But in the same ways that you were talking about earlier is there kind of is this more 1805 01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:50,360 national identity that everybody wants anyways and that is the globalist identity of being 1806 01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:55,800 we're not a member of Earth or I mean we're not a member of America, we're just a member 1807 01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:57,480 of Earth. 1808 01:57:57,480 --> 01:57:59,920 And I think that's the same thing as imperialism. 1809 01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:04,920 It's just globalist imperialism that's not good because there is no cohesive identity 1810 01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:05,920 there. 1811 01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:11,600 Because if Asia still has Asian religion and Asian ideology and Asian morals and America 1812 01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:17,720 has American in the West as the West, those eventually will clash just as communism and 1813 01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:19,960 the West would clash as well. 1814 01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:25,560 So if we're going to do these sort of things we should have this system of Americanizing 1815 01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:30,160 because everybody on this, particularly on this conversation now is that America is the 1816 01:58:30,160 --> 01:58:32,600 best and I still believe America is the best. 1817 01:58:32,600 --> 01:58:38,280 I believe the West broadly created the best cultures and why not acculturate people. 1818 01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:43,440 I don't think we should force people per se but if I'm going to put my interests in North 1819 01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:47,920 Africa in a skirmish there in Ukraine you better darn believe I want to get something 1820 01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:48,920 out of it. 1821 01:58:48,920 --> 01:58:49,920 I'm not a charity. 1822 01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:50,920 Nations can't be charities. 1823 01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:52,920 Okay so I did rant. 1824 01:58:52,920 --> 01:58:53,920 There you go. 1825 01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:54,920 No, no, no. 1826 01:58:54,920 --> 01:58:58,680 You said something wildly important and I think that this is actually probably the main 1827 01:58:58,680 --> 01:59:03,200 thing that differentiates me from leftist liberals or progressives. 1828 01:59:03,200 --> 01:59:09,000 So I think that there has to be, has to be, like mandated or else we will collapse in 1829 01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:11,080 American identity. 1830 01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:15,420 And what I think that is because we have Indian Americans, we have Native American Americans, 1831 01:59:15,420 --> 01:59:18,840 we have white Americans, we've got Anglo Americans, Celt Americans, Black Americans, Hispanic 1832 01:59:18,840 --> 01:59:19,840 Americans. 1833 01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:22,800 We got so many different kinds of people who are citizens of the United States that we 1834 01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:28,400 can't just say oh yeah this is a European descended idea that speaks English and it's 1835 01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:32,200 realistically it belongs to the English and the Germans and the Celts but it doesn't belong 1836 01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:33,200 to anybody else. 1837 01:59:33,200 --> 01:59:36,280 They're just second class citizens that we tolerate in our system. 1838 01:59:36,280 --> 01:59:40,160 That can't be the way that it works or else a majority of the people who participate in 1839 01:59:40,160 --> 01:59:43,280 the system are not going to have any kind of buy in into it. 1840 01:59:43,280 --> 01:59:47,320 So what I boil down the American identity too because I think that fundamentally it 1841 01:59:47,320 --> 01:59:50,480 is like liberal republicanism. 1842 01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:54,160 It's the right, the right of free speech and freedom of conscience. 1843 01:59:54,160 --> 01:59:58,360 The ability to articulate your ideas in public without fear of the government stepping on 1844 01:59:58,360 --> 01:59:59,360 you. 1845 01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:01,200 That's like one of the most principled things that is America. 1846 02:00:01,200 --> 02:00:05,920 The second one is the right to self-defense up to and including against a tyrannical government. 1847 02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:10,520 I think that's another fundamental cornerstone of the concept of liberty and an American 1848 02:00:10,520 --> 02:00:15,120 conception of liberty where if the government turns against you and starts murdering people, 1849 02:00:15,120 --> 02:00:21,560 it's not even you know like kind of like a moral thing that you take on begrudgingly. 1850 02:00:21,560 --> 02:00:25,080 Americans face that with enthusiasm, they're like oh there's a tyrannical government, let's 1851 02:00:25,080 --> 02:00:26,680 go shoot them in the face. 1852 02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:29,160 That's like part of the American zeitgeist. 1853 02:00:29,160 --> 02:00:35,920 And then finally what I would say is it's a limited government and I don't mean limited 1854 02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:37,800 government in the sense of scale. 1855 02:00:37,800 --> 02:00:40,840 Like you could have a big American government or a small American government. 1856 02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:45,200 What I mean is a government that actually tries to follow its own rules that are set 1857 02:00:45,200 --> 02:00:47,680 out for it within republicanism. 1858 02:00:47,680 --> 02:00:51,520 Balance of power, the judiciary being independent of the executive branch, the executive branch 1859 02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:56,960 having checks on its power through the pocketbooks of the congress, all that kind of stuff. 1860 02:00:56,960 --> 02:01:02,440 All of those conceptions of having the rule of law kind of govern the society and then 1861 02:01:02,440 --> 02:01:06,360 respecting that overarching principle I think is fundamentally American. 1862 02:01:06,360 --> 02:01:09,760 And so if we lose, I don't think these are like the three cornerstones as far as I can 1863 02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:12,720 identify them in the constitution. 1864 02:01:12,720 --> 02:01:17,920 If we lose any parts of these identity, I think we fall into very obvious historical 1865 02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:18,920 pitfalls. 1866 02:01:18,920 --> 02:01:24,920 I'm glad you brought that up because legit my question after Jonathan was going to be 1867 02:01:24,920 --> 02:01:26,040 focusing on something like that. 1868 02:01:26,040 --> 02:01:29,440 And you can elaborate a little bit more if you want to, but it was going to focus on 1869 02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:36,120 the question on what is more valuable, America establishing that national identity or America 1870 02:01:36,120 --> 02:01:42,080 establishing a foreign image that all other countries respect. 1871 02:01:42,080 --> 02:01:45,720 And the fact that you answer the or the fact that you even brought up the fact that we 1872 02:01:45,720 --> 02:01:50,320 should establish a national identity is extremely valuable of course, because a lot of people, 1873 02:01:50,320 --> 02:01:53,880 a lot of countries say it all the times that they kind of despise Americans. 1874 02:01:53,880 --> 02:01:59,320 They see all this news regarding America and they see all these kind of slander in regards 1875 02:01:59,320 --> 02:02:01,000 to the American people. 1876 02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:07,280 So there's a very, some of it is true, but there's a very poor image in terms of Americans 1877 02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:10,000 in general and what we do in our society. 1878 02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:14,360 I mean, sometimes some countries that are way more underdeveloped than us think that 1879 02:02:14,360 --> 02:02:20,640 we are like an anarchist country and it's kind of a crazy thing, but some people actually, 1880 02:02:20,640 --> 02:02:22,200 some countries actually think this. 1881 02:02:22,200 --> 02:02:27,280 So that's obviously that goes and coincides with establishing that national identity. 1882 02:02:27,280 --> 02:02:32,480 But the other aspect is obviously our foreign image and that is the aspect of America being 1883 02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:36,480 a superpower, America being the country that all of you all look towards us. 1884 02:02:36,480 --> 02:02:38,740 All of you all ask for our opinions. 1885 02:02:38,740 --> 02:02:42,880 So if you want to elaborate, you can't Connor, Jonathan, you can go as well. 1886 02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:47,720 What is more important, our foreign image or our national identity? 1887 02:02:47,720 --> 02:02:53,360 Yeah, I view these concepts as inextricably linked and I actually think that part of our 1888 02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:58,480 identity crisis is leading to our foreign appearance falling apart. 1889 02:02:58,480 --> 02:03:03,080 So we have like ideals and ideology and internal and external propaganda and all that kind 1890 02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:04,080 of stuff. 1891 02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:08,200 But what happens is we haven't fundamentally defined what it is to be an American and then 1892 02:03:08,200 --> 02:03:12,800 we're creating like 30,000 different narratives about what it is to be an American without 1893 02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:14,420 any sense of coherence. 1894 02:03:14,420 --> 02:03:20,280 And so for me, the part or the problem with that is it's kind of like having a building 1895 02:03:20,280 --> 02:03:23,740 that has like rotted beams by termites. 1896 02:03:23,740 --> 02:03:27,860 So you might see this like grand, beautiful structure on the exterior. 1897 02:03:27,860 --> 02:03:30,360 It's one of the biggest buildings you've ever seen in your entire life. 1898 02:03:30,360 --> 02:03:34,720 It rivals like Notre Dame de Paris as far as like a cathedral or something like that. 1899 02:03:34,720 --> 02:03:35,720 And then you walk inside. 1900 02:03:35,720 --> 02:03:40,900 And for me, the American civic identity is the support structure. 1901 02:03:40,900 --> 02:03:45,320 So if you take a support structure and it rots and falls apart and collapses a part 1902 02:03:45,320 --> 02:03:48,560 of the cathedral, the cathedral ultimately doesn't matter. 1903 02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:49,560 And this is something that happens. 1904 02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:51,320 I'll try to wrap this up. 1905 02:03:51,320 --> 02:03:54,160 But this is something that happens in like plant life. 1906 02:03:54,160 --> 02:03:55,880 It's something that happens in buildings. 1907 02:03:55,880 --> 02:03:57,940 It's something that happens in skyscrapers. 1908 02:03:57,940 --> 02:04:04,200 If you focus solely on exploding the exterior superstructure without having integrated support 1909 02:04:04,200 --> 02:04:09,120 throughout the entire thing, eventually you're going to hit a size that forces you to collapse 1910 02:04:09,120 --> 02:04:10,600 back down on yourself. 1911 02:04:10,600 --> 02:04:14,960 And the only thing that's going to be left at the end of that is whatever was sustainable 1912 02:04:14,960 --> 02:04:17,520 in the first place. 1913 02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:20,280 Yeah, I would agree. 1914 02:04:20,280 --> 02:04:22,600 I would also say that they're linked. 1915 02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:23,600 I could... 1916 02:04:23,600 --> 02:04:24,600 Two things. 1917 02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:27,700 One, I totally agree. 1918 02:04:27,700 --> 02:04:32,440 We obviously have to have a cohesive narrative about what it means to be American. 1919 02:04:32,440 --> 02:04:37,240 Because if you don't have that, then your foreign presence will of course collapse. 1920 02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:44,640 Secondly, I have had the amazing privilege to live abroad and travel abroad extensively. 1921 02:04:44,640 --> 02:04:52,520 So I lived in Africa and I was a little bit young to say what the Africans thought about 1922 02:04:52,520 --> 02:04:55,520 America because I was young. 1923 02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:57,480 One thing they did love is our money. 1924 02:04:57,480 --> 02:05:00,480 Everywhere we went when they saw the color of our skin, when they saw that we were white, 1925 02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:02,880 they're like, oh, double the price for everything. 1926 02:05:02,880 --> 02:05:05,320 So they loved our money. 1927 02:05:05,320 --> 02:05:06,320 That's for sure. 1928 02:05:06,320 --> 02:05:09,520 But that was all the way back in 2011. 1929 02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:12,040 But I lived in Australia for a while as well. 1930 02:05:12,040 --> 02:05:17,840 And most European countries or I should say Commonwealth countries have this perspective 1931 02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:19,520 about Americans. 1932 02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:23,160 And they think that we're insane and crazy and that we have guns and just murder people 1933 02:05:23,160 --> 02:05:26,240 en masse all the time when somebody looks at us the wrong way. 1934 02:05:26,240 --> 02:05:27,400 And I'm like, you know what? 1935 02:05:27,400 --> 02:05:31,920 I'm actually fine with that opinion because you know what they're never going to do? 1936 02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:34,680 They're never going to come here and be like, oh, give me your wallet. 1937 02:05:34,680 --> 02:05:35,680 And they're like, no. 1938 02:05:35,680 --> 02:05:36,680 Well, first of all, they don't have any guns. 1939 02:05:36,680 --> 02:05:40,520 So they pull a knife and then I'll pull out my gun and be like, you were right, buddy. 1940 02:05:40,520 --> 02:05:43,880 And anyways, but and I'm fine with that. 1941 02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:49,240 I'm fine with that as long as there is also the sense of like, you know, we used to make 1942 02:05:49,240 --> 02:05:52,840 amazing questions about where it was wild and it was crazy, but people had honor and 1943 02:05:52,840 --> 02:06:00,120 respect and we're losing the honor and respect because of the collapse of our civic structure 1944 02:06:00,120 --> 02:06:05,120 as as Connor called it, because we ourselves don't know what we are anymore. 1945 02:06:05,120 --> 02:06:07,560 And also, there's something to be said. 1946 02:06:07,560 --> 02:06:11,320 America is one of the only place with nominally free press. 1947 02:06:11,320 --> 02:06:15,120 Most other, especially European countries, especially Russia, especially a lot of these 1948 02:06:15,120 --> 02:06:18,320 places are they their press is not free. 1949 02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:19,320 Right. 1950 02:06:19,320 --> 02:06:21,040 It is all owned by the state. 1951 02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:23,020 And so whatever they want to do. 1952 02:06:23,020 --> 02:06:28,740 So like when I was in I was in Australia when Donald Trump got elected. 1953 02:06:28,740 --> 02:06:33,400 And so that was a fun day because they all thought that it was going to be the end of 1954 02:06:33,400 --> 02:06:38,080 foreign trade entirely and that the economy was going to collapse and the global economy 1955 02:06:38,080 --> 02:06:43,240 was going to collapse and all these things because they were not. 1956 02:06:43,240 --> 02:06:44,640 It's not free press anywhere. 1957 02:06:44,640 --> 02:06:49,320 And so when you hear stories from other countries, it's like just imagine all of their press 1958 02:06:49,320 --> 02:06:50,320 is CNN. 1959 02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:52,000 So and then you got it. 1960 02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:53,000 Yeah. 1961 02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:54,000 So so hold on. 1962 02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:58,360 You said you said something really important, which kind of goes back to back when Jordan 1963 02:06:58,360 --> 02:07:01,880 Peterson I don't think he's eaten vegetables in like 20 years, but let's just say that 1964 02:07:01,880 --> 02:07:06,500 he still had like vegetables in his system in 2016 to 2018. 1965 02:07:06,500 --> 02:07:09,720 One of the things that he was talking about that I think is incredibly important is the 1966 02:07:09,720 --> 02:07:15,380 rearticulation of ideas that we no longer find valuable but have value. 1967 02:07:15,380 --> 02:07:21,860 And so for instance, I think if you walked in, if you pulled like million American high 1968 02:07:21,860 --> 02:07:27,280 school students and you ask them what honor was, one, they wouldn't be able to define 1969 02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:28,280 it. 1970 02:07:28,280 --> 02:07:32,400 Two, they would they would appeal to some like historical thing where they'd be like, 1971 02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:35,640 oh, it's like it's like when nights used to joust each other. 1972 02:07:35,640 --> 02:07:37,760 And if you insulted somebody, they would get upset. 1973 02:07:37,760 --> 02:07:42,560 And then also, it's kind of like in Pakistan, where if somebody sleeps with your cousin, 1974 02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:44,960 you have to crush their head with a rock like that. 1975 02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:50,960 They would view it as like this like barbaric trope of history that needs to die. 1976 02:07:50,960 --> 02:07:54,740 Whereas, you know, kind of like growing up and learning more about different concepts 1977 02:07:54,740 --> 02:08:01,080 and virtues and all that kind of stuff, honor, as far as I can tell it, is a all it is, is 1978 02:08:01,080 --> 02:08:07,200 identifying the higher virtues that you should strive for as a human being, striving for 1979 02:08:07,200 --> 02:08:12,440 those virtues, and then people holding you in higher esteem for trying to strive for 1980 02:08:12,440 --> 02:08:13,440 those virtues. 1981 02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:16,940 So it's basically trying not to be a piece of shit actively. 1982 02:08:16,940 --> 02:08:18,560 That's what it is. 1983 02:08:18,560 --> 02:08:22,040 So that is a concept that's worthy of articulation. 1984 02:08:22,040 --> 02:08:26,440 Because I think that in our modern society, we don't even try that we say being a shit 1985 02:08:26,440 --> 02:08:27,680 piece of shit is good. 1986 02:08:27,680 --> 02:08:31,720 I can go on a Twitter right now and I can find half a dozen to a dozen fucking spoiled 1987 02:08:31,720 --> 02:08:36,440 bitchy brat millionaires with fucking baby soft fucking hands fighting with each other 1988 02:08:36,440 --> 02:08:39,760 about doing cocaine and banging fucking Instagram models. 1989 02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:43,400 And these are the people who get thousands upon thousands upon thousands of live stream 1990 02:08:43,400 --> 02:08:44,400 views. 1991 02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:47,560 And like I'm not saying like I don't blame the viewers, they're just trying to be entertained. 1992 02:08:47,560 --> 02:08:52,400 But at the same time, if we if we valorize that as a part of our culture, we can't be 1993 02:08:52,400 --> 02:08:58,280 surprised when the next generation are baby soft handed fucking baby back bitches who can't 1994 02:08:58,280 --> 02:08:59,280 fucking do anything. 1995 02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:06,120 And they value doing cocaine and chasing Instagram models more than they value any kind of virtuous 1996 02:09:06,120 --> 02:09:07,120 life. 1997 02:09:07,120 --> 02:09:12,900 Yeah, I definitely agree to the sentiment of establishing proper values. 1998 02:09:12,900 --> 02:09:16,620 This will be the last point I'm gonna wrap things up. 1999 02:09:16,620 --> 02:09:21,220 The national identity situation and I coast on a lot of the things I also agree their 2000 02:09:21,220 --> 02:09:23,840 length but very much so. 2001 02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:27,800 Like you guys were saying is one thing we should probably focus on more so is probably 2002 02:09:27,800 --> 02:09:33,360 establishing proper values, virtues and national identity. 2003 02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:35,760 And that's something we have to continuously work on. 2004 02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:38,960 And it doesn't help obviously, considering the polarization we have currently in the 2005 02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:40,400 country. 2006 02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:45,740 But when it comes down to that polarization, it's very interesting that when other countries 2007 02:09:45,740 --> 02:09:52,160 kind of perceive us as Americans, they also see us in like two different lights. 2008 02:09:52,160 --> 02:09:57,240 They see us as gun crazy individuals who want to shoot everybody like we're talking about, 2009 02:09:57,240 --> 02:09:59,740 or people who want to make everybody trans. 2010 02:09:59,740 --> 02:10:09,080 So we have we have very opposite kind of viewpoints of perceptions that all the countries are 2011 02:10:09,080 --> 02:10:13,760 seeing these do not align at all the both sides hate each other. 2012 02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:18,960 But they kind of see us as these two things that kind of tells you that sheds light on 2013 02:10:18,960 --> 02:10:24,740 how far our national identity is into establishing as like one cohesive value. 2014 02:10:24,740 --> 02:10:32,960 So it'll be in order to do what you're saying in order to kind of establish these type of 2015 02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:33,960 values. 2016 02:10:33,960 --> 02:10:39,400 I do think one step like Connor was saying is really centering on virtues that we all 2017 02:10:39,400 --> 02:10:44,600 agree with, even though some lefty kind of don't like guns, they want to take away everybody's 2018 02:10:44,600 --> 02:10:45,600 guns. 2019 02:10:45,600 --> 02:10:46,600 So even that one is kind of hard. 2020 02:10:46,600 --> 02:10:50,520 But but so you're about to nail it. 2021 02:10:50,520 --> 02:10:51,520 And then I want to respond. 2022 02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:52,520 Sorry. 2023 02:10:52,520 --> 02:10:59,840 So but with that said, there are at the end of the day, there are the virtues itself, 2024 02:10:59,840 --> 02:11:05,400 even if you want to talk about the gun one, the virtue itself will be able to especially 2025 02:11:05,400 --> 02:11:10,280 when you reassess this to all types of people, culturally and socially. 2026 02:11:10,280 --> 02:11:15,120 And this is something has to be communicated, communicated person to person individually. 2027 02:11:15,120 --> 02:11:19,560 This is not something that a country can establish onto people, but people have to establish 2028 02:11:19,560 --> 02:11:20,840 onto other people. 2029 02:11:20,840 --> 02:11:26,320 Like you said before, a social media, I get the wanting to be entertained, but practically 2030 02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:30,000 looking at what you're observing and what things that shouldn't matter. 2031 02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:35,200 Things about things regarding all the crazy stuff, Red Pillars say and all the crazy stuff, 2032 02:11:35,200 --> 02:11:39,640 all these billionaires get into our stuff that you don't even like individually. 2033 02:11:39,640 --> 02:11:41,600 You just want to be entertained by it. 2034 02:11:41,600 --> 02:11:44,800 So yeah, you're about to say something before. 2035 02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:45,800 Yes. 2036 02:11:45,800 --> 02:11:46,800 Yes. 2037 02:11:46,800 --> 02:11:52,160 So I think the reason why I picked the values that I did in order to describe them as like 2038 02:11:52,160 --> 02:11:58,040 the coherent American identity is because exactly what you said, it is somebody who 2039 02:11:58,040 --> 02:12:05,640 is a progressive blue haired trans person and a cowboy off of the streets of South Dakota 2040 02:12:05,640 --> 02:12:10,120 or something like that, who's ready to blast you with a 500 action express. 2041 02:12:10,120 --> 02:12:14,800 I forget if that's a revolver caliber or a rifle caliber, but you get the point. 2042 02:12:14,800 --> 02:12:20,480 If you have a gun nut cowboy conservative, or if you have a trans person, they can and 2043 02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:23,880 should sign up for the three ideas that I was talking about. 2044 02:12:23,880 --> 02:12:28,440 The reason why both of them should sign up for freedom of speech and freedom of conscience 2045 02:12:28,440 --> 02:12:33,320 is because both of them get to have their say over public society and get to argue it 2046 02:12:33,320 --> 02:12:34,480 out in the public square. 2047 02:12:34,480 --> 02:12:38,680 And neither one of them has to feel like they're going to get killed for espousing their ideas, 2048 02:12:38,680 --> 02:12:40,080 particularly by the state. 2049 02:12:40,080 --> 02:12:44,640 When it comes to self-defense, Americans in general, kind of like Jonathan and I, red 2050 02:12:44,640 --> 02:12:47,600 blooded Americans, we want to retain the right to self-defense. 2051 02:12:47,600 --> 02:12:50,800 Like I don't care what happens as far as gun control goes. 2052 02:12:50,800 --> 02:12:54,560 If they ban certain types of guns that I own, I'm not reporting those things. 2053 02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:58,240 I'm just putting them in the closet until the end is revealed. 2054 02:12:58,240 --> 02:13:00,080 So I'm not turning that shit in. 2055 02:13:00,080 --> 02:13:01,560 You can go fuck yourself. 2056 02:13:01,560 --> 02:13:06,720 And trans people should want to defend themselves as well because they're a sexual minority 2057 02:13:06,720 --> 02:13:11,600 who is sometimes persecuted and taken advantage of and enslaved into sex work and beaten up 2058 02:13:11,600 --> 02:13:13,520 by society and all that kind of stuff. 2059 02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:16,580 Self-defense should be a fundamental concept for them as a community as well. 2060 02:13:16,580 --> 02:13:21,020 And then finally, believing in a government that regulates itself, the reason why that's 2061 02:13:21,020 --> 02:13:30,080 so important is because for the conservative person, they should want a just system because 2062 02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:35,280 what systems you want to conserve are systems that are worth defending. 2063 02:13:35,280 --> 02:13:39,120 So a conservative should want a just system that plays fair for everybody. 2064 02:13:39,120 --> 02:13:44,040 And then the reason why a trans person should want a just system is because as the minority, 2065 02:13:44,040 --> 02:13:49,000 they should want a system that doesn't isolate them and persecute them and try to kill them. 2066 02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:51,080 So that's really what you said. 2067 02:13:51,080 --> 02:13:56,000 I know I said a lot of words, but I think that both people, no matter how distant on 2068 02:13:56,000 --> 02:14:00,240 the political spectrum or sexual spectrums or economic spectrums, they can agree to these 2069 02:14:00,240 --> 02:14:03,640 three concepts, which is why they should be fundamentally American. 2070 02:14:03,640 --> 02:14:10,760 Do you agree with these three concepts as a conservative, Jonathan, the three most important 2071 02:14:10,760 --> 02:14:11,760 virtues? 2072 02:14:11,760 --> 02:14:13,800 I more or less. 2073 02:14:13,800 --> 02:14:20,360 We'll just say yeah, because I could go on another hour long debate on certain things. 2074 02:14:20,360 --> 02:14:23,560 But yeah, fundamentally, I would agree with those. 2075 02:14:23,560 --> 02:14:28,720 I think I referenced it before. 2076 02:14:28,720 --> 02:14:32,600 There's a letter that John Adams wrote to the Abbey de Maybillais talking about the 2077 02:14:32,600 --> 02:14:34,960 four things that makes America America. 2078 02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:35,960 The first one is local government. 2079 02:14:35,960 --> 02:14:37,720 The second one is the education system. 2080 02:14:37,720 --> 02:14:39,520 Third one is the churches. 2081 02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:42,200 And then the fourth one is the militia. 2082 02:14:42,200 --> 02:14:45,240 And the three things that he got were three of them. 2083 02:14:45,240 --> 02:14:47,380 The fourth one was the church. 2084 02:14:47,380 --> 02:14:52,400 And I think that is fundamental to the Christian or to the American belief is the Christian 2085 02:14:52,400 --> 02:14:53,400 church. 2086 02:14:53,400 --> 02:14:55,560 But that's the topic for another day. 2087 02:14:55,560 --> 02:15:01,120 Well, actually, so I know we might be wrapping up, but the this is an important thing, too. 2088 02:15:01,120 --> 02:15:06,120 I don't agree with you that you're saying that it isn't the right of the state to enforce 2089 02:15:06,120 --> 02:15:07,480 these morals on people. 2090 02:15:07,480 --> 02:15:13,120 I agree that it shouldn't enforce these virtues on adults, where if somebody is not breaking 2091 02:15:13,120 --> 02:15:15,120 the law, they're not hurting other people. 2092 02:15:15,120 --> 02:15:19,600 They're expressing themselves within life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness or whatever. 2093 02:15:19,600 --> 02:15:21,500 Then the government shouldn't go after them. 2094 02:15:21,500 --> 02:15:26,000 But I actually do view it as a fundamental responsibility of the United States government 2095 02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:30,920 to make sure that the education system is expressing values that are American, that 2096 02:15:30,920 --> 02:15:35,000 reinforce the system instead of degrading and destroying the system. 2097 02:15:35,000 --> 02:15:39,480 So if you have like I love free speech, but if you have middle school and elementary school 2098 02:15:39,480 --> 02:15:44,120 kids who are being taught that like, you know, gender is just like this amorphous thing and 2099 02:15:44,120 --> 02:15:45,120 you can pick it. 2100 02:15:45,120 --> 02:15:46,840 Don't worry about it is what it is. 2101 02:15:46,840 --> 02:15:51,720 If you're non binary, if you're trans or whatever, that is going to dictate the way that the 2102 02:15:51,720 --> 02:15:53,480 culture comes out. 2103 02:15:53,480 --> 02:15:58,360 And I think that there's something to be said for like liberal tolerance, where you tolerate 2104 02:15:58,360 --> 02:16:00,800 everybody, you tolerate minorities and all that kind of stuff. 2105 02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:06,800 I also think that there's something like progressive postmodern nihilism, where you don't believe 2106 02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:12,640 in anything, because everything is equally valid under your shitty fucking perspective. 2107 02:16:12,640 --> 02:16:16,320 So I think American education should be fundamentally anti postmodernist. 2108 02:16:16,320 --> 02:16:21,840 It's a very interesting perspective when it comes down to education. 2109 02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:25,280 I mean, I've me and me and Jonathan talked about constantly, I've constantly criticized 2110 02:16:25,280 --> 02:16:30,640 public education consistently in terms of what they provide for people realistically, 2111 02:16:30,640 --> 02:16:34,160 especially in the lower kind of education systems. 2112 02:16:34,160 --> 02:16:38,800 But the idea of kind of establishing values originally, obviously, it was something that 2113 02:16:38,800 --> 02:16:43,300 that was the original purpose in a lot of ways establishing what it is to be American. 2114 02:16:43,300 --> 02:16:49,700 We definitely drifted away from that, especially currently in society and in where conversations 2115 02:16:49,700 --> 02:16:55,560 like you mentioned definitely can and might be brought up in certain circumstances. 2116 02:16:55,560 --> 02:17:01,680 I think ideally, I definitely would agree that a state can have that type of responsibility, 2117 02:17:01,680 --> 02:17:06,040 especially if we have the proper, like you said, checks on the government, making sure 2118 02:17:06,040 --> 02:17:09,480 that they're adhering to values that the people themselves set. 2119 02:17:09,480 --> 02:17:12,080 That would be very important to do. 2120 02:17:12,080 --> 02:17:17,200 I guess the worry for people would be, are those values truly being represented from 2121 02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:22,240 the people or the people in the government, which will be the argument, obviously. 2122 02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:28,720 And I guess the only the other thing about that, too, is when it comes down to establishing 2123 02:17:28,720 --> 02:17:34,320 that type of precedent, the popularization of private education and charter schools as 2124 02:17:34,320 --> 02:17:36,840 of right now is ever so increasing. 2125 02:17:36,840 --> 02:17:41,200 If the precedent is set is where you can establish certain values, how would you be able to kind 2126 02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:46,220 of dictate these private institutions that the values that you're establishing in your 2127 02:17:46,220 --> 02:17:51,920 institution are not aligned with the American values that we need to be presenting or we 2128 02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:55,280 need to be establishing for the people in general? 2129 02:17:55,280 --> 02:17:56,280 I'm still here. 2130 02:17:56,280 --> 02:17:59,760 Sorry if my camera honked out. 2131 02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:00,760 Can you hear me? 2132 02:18:00,760 --> 02:18:02,760 Yeah, we can hear you. 2133 02:18:02,760 --> 02:18:03,760 Okay. 2134 02:18:03,760 --> 02:18:10,480 So I'm just going to talk even if my picture is weird, I'll get it reset in just a second. 2135 02:18:10,480 --> 02:18:15,960 But basically, what I would say is you're just going to have to gigachat this, okay? 2136 02:18:15,960 --> 02:18:20,840 You're going to have to say, you know what, these are the values that our founders espoused. 2137 02:18:20,840 --> 02:18:23,840 These are the values that our fathers and grandfathers espoused. 2138 02:18:23,840 --> 02:18:25,600 These are the values that we care about. 2139 02:18:25,600 --> 02:18:29,600 These are the things that we think are fundamental to propagate a country into the future. 2140 02:18:29,600 --> 02:18:34,760 We believe, you know, XYZ, ABC, and you're going to have to appeal to popularity. 2141 02:18:34,760 --> 02:18:39,200 You're going to have to appeal to utilitarianism, and you're going to have to appeal to a sense 2142 02:18:39,200 --> 02:18:41,200 of responsibility for the future. 2143 02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:45,160 And at some point, you're just going to have to tell progressives and postmodernists to 2144 02:18:45,160 --> 02:18:46,160 shut the fuck up. 2145 02:18:46,160 --> 02:18:51,640 You're just going to have to say, hey, listen, if you want to smoke cigarettes and talk about 2146 02:18:51,640 --> 02:18:56,320 the age of consent and talk about, you know, nihilism and Foucault and all that kind of 2147 02:18:56,320 --> 02:18:58,320 bullshit, you'd be a conservative. 2148 02:18:58,320 --> 02:18:59,800 They'd be smoking doobies. 2149 02:18:59,800 --> 02:19:03,200 Yeah, well, exactly. 2150 02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:07,240 But if you want to talk about that kind of crap, you say that for college. 2151 02:19:07,240 --> 02:19:11,720 We're trying to establish healthy, happy, productive citizens who don't want to kill 2152 02:19:11,720 --> 02:19:17,680 themselves and largely don't want to do anything egregious to their bodies or their morals 2153 02:19:17,680 --> 02:19:18,920 or anything like that. 2154 02:19:18,920 --> 02:19:22,840 And if you don't like that, wait until you're 18 and then do whatever the fuck you want. 2155 02:19:22,840 --> 02:19:30,360 And I think it would take a concerted political effort by conservatives, liberals and centrists 2156 02:19:30,360 --> 02:19:36,520 and any brand of Ritoid to actually get that passed, because unfortunately, liberalism 2157 02:19:36,520 --> 02:19:41,600 is so waffly that exactly what you just asked is what's going to be said over and over and 2158 02:19:41,600 --> 02:19:42,600 over again? 2159 02:19:42,600 --> 02:19:45,440 Like, why are we imposing our morals on other people? 2160 02:19:45,440 --> 02:19:49,960 And the answer should be because they're good. 2161 02:19:49,960 --> 02:19:57,080 I guess the last question I have to ask this because innately, we want to establish an 2162 02:19:57,080 --> 02:19:59,120 American national identity, obviously. 2163 02:19:59,120 --> 02:20:04,360 But at the same time, if we're trying to establish values in public institutions, public educational 2164 02:20:04,360 --> 02:20:08,160 institutions, that has to be done at the state level. 2165 02:20:08,160 --> 02:20:14,120 So how do you tell these states, because a state like California versus a state like 2166 02:20:14,120 --> 02:20:17,840 Florida, we know have completely different values. 2167 02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:24,480 I know exactly what DeSantis wants to preach to his people versus what the senator, whatever 2168 02:20:24,480 --> 02:20:27,160 his name is in California, wants to preach to his people. 2169 02:20:27,160 --> 02:20:35,200 So they're going to align with general, the general formation of the American values may 2170 02:20:35,200 --> 02:20:41,480 align to a certain extent, but once they get into the specific details, they will choose 2171 02:20:41,480 --> 02:20:48,360 the affiliation that they align with as the center most principled value that you should 2172 02:20:48,360 --> 02:20:52,520 focus on with the foundation being the overarching opinion. 2173 02:20:52,520 --> 02:20:53,840 So go ahead. 2174 02:20:53,840 --> 02:20:55,280 Two things. 2175 02:20:55,280 --> 02:21:01,040 So the way that I articulated that freedom of speech and conscience, right to self-defense 2176 02:21:01,040 --> 02:21:04,920 and a limited government that follows its own rules are the cornerstones of the American 2177 02:21:04,920 --> 02:21:05,920 identity. 2178 02:21:05,920 --> 02:21:10,560 I think the federal government just has to insist that that is a part of our primary 2179 02:21:10,560 --> 02:21:11,560 education. 2180 02:21:11,560 --> 02:21:13,720 And by that, I mean like elementary, middle and high school. 2181 02:21:13,720 --> 02:21:18,680 You just have to insist that those are the values that unite a Californian and a Floridian 2182 02:21:18,680 --> 02:21:22,400 and a Floridian and a person from New Hampshire and a New Hampshire and a person from South 2183 02:21:22,400 --> 02:21:23,400 Dakota. 2184 02:21:23,400 --> 02:21:25,200 These are the values that unite us. 2185 02:21:25,200 --> 02:21:28,200 And then I think you have to use federal subsidization. 2186 02:21:28,200 --> 02:21:32,480 So let's say that California becomes like a total commie shithole where they want to 2187 02:21:32,480 --> 02:21:37,120 basically teach postmodernism to elementary school kids and they want to go absolutely 2188 02:21:37,120 --> 02:21:39,240 fucking wild on it. 2189 02:21:39,240 --> 02:21:42,040 And let's say that Florida becomes where I am right now. 2190 02:21:42,040 --> 02:21:45,320 Let's say it becomes a Christian theocracy where gay people are banned back into the 2191 02:21:45,320 --> 02:21:50,360 closet and somehow we deport all of Mexico, which I don't think is going to happen. 2192 02:21:50,360 --> 02:21:53,280 You know, like let's just say that these two things happen simultaneously. 2193 02:21:53,280 --> 02:21:58,520 You have to say if you want the billions upon billions of dollars that are inside the federal 2194 02:21:58,520 --> 02:22:04,680 treasury that currently subsidize your education process, you have to abide by these tenants. 2195 02:22:04,680 --> 02:22:07,000 And if you don't, you can go fuck yourself. 2196 02:22:07,000 --> 02:22:10,160 And I think that's I think that's the path forward. 2197 02:22:10,160 --> 02:22:11,160 Okay, okay. 2198 02:22:11,160 --> 02:22:13,480 I respect that. 2199 02:22:13,480 --> 02:22:15,960 Sometimes you gotta you gotta do what's necessary. 2200 02:22:15,960 --> 02:22:18,000 I definitely see where you're coming from. 2201 02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:20,520 I always align with that principle to an extent. 2202 02:22:20,520 --> 02:22:25,120 It's just I don't trust the people who are enforcing the principle sometimes, which definitely 2203 02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:26,760 makes it tough. 2204 02:22:26,760 --> 02:22:31,760 But Jonathan, any any words you would like to like to say? 2205 02:22:31,760 --> 02:22:34,800 So I I agree in principle. 2206 02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:39,640 The one distinguishing thing that I would make is inherently people know what's right 2207 02:22:39,640 --> 02:22:41,120 from wrong. 2208 02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:48,080 So if a state is doing something that is correct and doing something that is virtuous and doing 2209 02:22:48,080 --> 02:22:51,480 something that is honorable, we shouldn't penalize them. 2210 02:22:51,480 --> 02:22:57,480 And I would say obviously Christian theocracy is the way to go, but so that that's just 2211 02:22:57,480 --> 02:22:58,480 me though. 2212 02:22:58,480 --> 02:22:59,480 So we shouldn't punish them. 2213 02:22:59,480 --> 02:23:04,420 But we should blow California off of the state off of the continent and just sort of. 2214 02:23:04,420 --> 02:23:09,440 So yeah, like people, people always talk smack whenever I talk smack about like California 2215 02:23:09,440 --> 02:23:13,840 and New York and they're like, the economies are so big and the cultures are so vibrant 2216 02:23:13,840 --> 02:23:15,240 and but but and I'm like, you know what? 2217 02:23:15,240 --> 02:23:16,720 I wouldn't give a fuck. 2218 02:23:16,720 --> 02:23:18,120 We would figure it out. 2219 02:23:18,120 --> 02:23:22,580 A big company is moving to Tennessee or moving to Florida. 2220 02:23:22,580 --> 02:23:25,640 So they're not their economies aren't that great. 2221 02:23:25,640 --> 02:23:26,640 We would figure it out. 2222 02:23:26,640 --> 02:23:30,360 We would figure out a way to take the produce and the money from investment and all that 2223 02:23:30,360 --> 02:23:31,360 kind of stuff. 2224 02:23:31,360 --> 02:23:34,560 And then we would figure out how to run the rest of the country in a sensible way without 2225 02:23:34,560 --> 02:23:38,160 those two fucking cultural dead weights from my perspective. 2226 02:23:38,160 --> 02:23:42,600 See the reason why I can't agree is because I root for the Golden State Warriors and I 2227 02:23:42,600 --> 02:23:43,800 root for the New York Giants. 2228 02:23:43,800 --> 02:23:49,480 So there's no way I'm going to agree to that. 2229 02:23:49,480 --> 02:23:50,720 But all right. 2230 02:23:50,720 --> 02:23:52,600 So I think that's all we got for today. 2231 02:23:52,600 --> 02:23:55,280 I think it was a very interesting discussion. 2232 02:23:55,280 --> 02:24:00,560 Plenty of solutions were brought out and the government, Biden should just listen to the 2233 02:24:00,560 --> 02:24:04,680 podcast and then you kind of figure out how to fix America's national identity problem 2234 02:24:04,680 --> 02:24:05,680 there. 2235 02:24:05,680 --> 02:24:06,800 And we can go from there. 2236 02:24:06,800 --> 02:24:09,720 So with that said, hope you guys enjoyed per usual. 2237 02:24:09,720 --> 02:24:10,720 Appreciate you coming on, Connor. 2238 02:24:10,720 --> 02:24:16,200 I think it was actually a conversation once you hopped on and started listening to your 2239 02:24:16,200 --> 02:24:18,480 values and your opinions. 2240 02:24:18,480 --> 02:24:22,720 And at the end of the day, like I've said time and time again, the purpose of the podcast 2241 02:24:22,720 --> 02:24:29,720 here is to focus on solutions more so than the political bias, toxicity, negativity, 2242 02:24:29,720 --> 02:24:34,440 trash talk nonsense that that tends to happen all the time, especially when they're not 2243 02:24:34,440 --> 02:24:36,720 talking about anything, just complaining about everything. 2244 02:24:36,720 --> 02:24:38,200 I mean, what does that help? 2245 02:24:38,200 --> 02:24:40,560 That doesn't really help any any situation. 2246 02:24:40,560 --> 02:24:47,560 So also, I definitely advocate and I'm going to continuously advocate that just because 2247 02:24:47,560 --> 02:24:50,800 you're listening doesn't mean you can't do anything because at the end of the day, if 2248 02:24:50,800 --> 02:24:56,120 you agree with a principle or even if you have your own principles per se, you can always 2249 02:24:56,120 --> 02:24:57,120 get involved. 2250 02:24:57,120 --> 02:25:06,060 You can always try to advocate your own principles, vote, support a official or support a policy. 2251 02:25:06,060 --> 02:25:09,320 The more people get involved, actually have common sense, the better. 2252 02:25:09,320 --> 02:25:11,720 So that's what we want to do at the end of the day. 2253 02:25:11,720 --> 02:25:14,640 So I hope you guys enjoy us ready five stars per usual. 2254 02:25:14,640 --> 02:25:17,120 Any final words before we wrap it up? 2255 02:25:17,120 --> 02:25:18,200 Yeah. 2256 02:25:18,200 --> 02:25:23,360 So if you're into science fiction or science fantasy and violence, my my primary channel 2257 02:25:23,360 --> 02:25:27,560 is about the fun and fantastic and grim dark universe of Warhammer forty thousand. 2258 02:25:27,560 --> 02:25:32,320 So if you like fully automatic machine guns that fire seventy five caliber bullets that 2259 02:25:32,320 --> 02:25:36,400 explode into alien torsos, then go ahead and check out my main channel. 2260 02:25:36,400 --> 02:25:37,400 It's doing pretty well. 2261 02:25:37,400 --> 02:25:39,280 I released a video today that's doing pretty good. 2262 02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:40,840 So go ahead and check that out. 2263 02:25:40,840 --> 02:25:46,600 And then if you want more political centrist hot takes, then go ahead and check out my 2264 02:25:46,600 --> 02:25:47,600 second channel. 2265 02:25:47,600 --> 02:25:49,920 It's linked in the description called Counterpoints Coliseum. 2266 02:25:49,920 --> 02:25:53,320 And then if you want to check out just like an essay where similar to how I just ranted 2267 02:25:53,320 --> 02:25:57,720 for like three minutes at a time over and over again, you just want a solid 15 to 20 2268 02:25:57,720 --> 02:25:59,840 minute rant about a particular subject. 2269 02:25:59,840 --> 02:26:00,840 Check out my third channel. 2270 02:26:00,840 --> 02:26:01,840 It's an essay channel. 2271 02:26:01,840 --> 02:26:03,040 And that's where I do that. 2272 02:26:03,040 --> 02:26:07,440 And then what I would say is if there's any millionaire or billionaire centrist, it seems 2273 02:26:07,440 --> 02:26:11,720 like all of them are progressive or all of them are uber conservative or a narco capitalist. 2274 02:26:11,720 --> 02:26:16,880 If we can find any millionaire or billionaire centrist, I am very cheap. 2275 02:26:16,880 --> 02:26:23,120 Pay me sixty thousand dollars a year and that will cover my bills and I will go I will run 2276 02:26:23,120 --> 02:26:24,480 for elected seats. 2277 02:26:24,480 --> 02:26:29,160 I will go yell at President Biden on the seats of the of the Senate or the House or wherever 2278 02:26:29,160 --> 02:26:31,760 the fuck I can find them or the White House itself. 2279 02:26:31,760 --> 02:26:38,200 I will talk shit around American civic nationalist centrist values that actually bring us together 2280 02:26:38,200 --> 02:26:40,880 instead of ripping this country apart. 2281 02:26:40,880 --> 02:26:44,280 So yeah, I'm I'm cheap and I'm available. 2282 02:26:44,280 --> 02:26:47,280 I just need a backer. 2283 02:26:47,280 --> 02:26:48,280 I respect that. 2284 02:26:48,280 --> 02:26:52,680 I'm definitely not old enough to do any of that, but I will support him doing that. 2285 02:26:52,680 --> 02:26:55,480 I'll watch like, oh, finally someone asking some good questions. 2286 02:26:55,480 --> 02:26:56,480 That's great. 2287 02:26:56,480 --> 02:26:57,480 That's great. 2288 02:26:57,480 --> 02:26:58,480 There we go. 2289 02:26:58,480 --> 02:27:00,280 So yeah, I hope you guys enjoy per usual. 2290 02:27:00,280 --> 02:27:01,840 This is a great conversation. 2291 02:27:01,840 --> 02:27:30,840 You all have a good one.