#33 - The Greatest Abortion Debate of All Time

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,440WELCOME!200:00:03,440 --> 00:00:08,680This is the Purple Political Breakdown.300:00:08,680 --> 00:00:10,320God said don't judge.400:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,300When Jesus said don't judge, that means don't judge.500:00:14,300 --> 00:00:20,360And so if someone was to get an abortion, I would be disheartened and I would be sad600:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,760that that life was lost.700:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,480But at the same time, I don't want to judge that person.800:00:26,480 --> 00:00:31,500And I might judge them at first glance because I am fallible and I'm a human.900:00:31,500 --> 00:00:37,000So if you understand it's human and you do the action, that will affect you for the rest1000:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,000of your life.1100:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,320Permanent.1200:00:40,320 --> 00:00:46,280And that's something people need to consider because you could do the action.1300:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,520You could be in your early 20s and do it and whatever.1400:00:50,520 --> 00:00:59,000And then you maybe 32 years old, you found God or you found a more concrete moral structure.1500:00:59,000 --> 00:01:04,160And you realized that when I was in my early 20s, what are you going to think?1600:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,360You're going to think to yourself that I killed two people.1700:01:07,360 --> 00:01:13,080You know, this is probably very unpopular, but I don't like to play God.1800:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,580I don't like to play God.1900:01:14,580 --> 00:01:21,160And having an abortion in my perspective, in my view is a way of playing God.2000:01:21,160 --> 00:01:26,240And this, I say this because I believe in a loving God and I believe in his promise2100:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,480that he works out all things for the good of those who diligently seek after him and2200:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,440are called him according to his purpose.2300:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,520Are you enjoying today's podcast episode?2400:01:35,520 --> 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now.4700:03:09,800 --> 00:03:16,000Again, use the link in my description to join pod page now.4800:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,500Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.4900:03:17,500 --> 00:03:23,180This is episode number 33, I believe episode number 33 of the podcast.5000:03:23,180 --> 00:03:27,400And we're back at it again within a very interesting discussion.5100:03:27,400 --> 00:03:33,080I'm sure we'll both have very interesting prone of views on the abortion topic.5200:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,240So we're going to dive into that a little bit later, of course.5300:03:37,240 --> 00:03:42,880And I'm going to start it off per usual with the with the review.5400:03:42,880 --> 00:03:43,880This is a long one.5500:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,280So, you know, be prepared, be prepared for it.5600:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,720Of course, I'm your host, Rizal Lewis.5700:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,640And this is my cohost, Jonathan is just two of us for today.5800:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,400Next this Thursday.5900:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,120So tune in live this Thursday.6000:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,400Well, this will by the time this is out, this will matter.6100:04:00,400 --> 00:04:07,680But this Thursday, we're going to have a CEO for a media company that kind of does different6200:04:07,680 --> 00:04:14,440news articles on their media politics, being one of them basically any other major news.6300:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,260So we'll talk about that when they come on.6400:04:17,260 --> 00:04:21,800That episode will drop officially on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and all that stuff.6500:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,000The following Thursday, this comes out.6600:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,560So stay tuned for that, of course.6700:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,560So Jonathan, how you doing, my guy?6800:04:29,560 --> 00:04:30,560I'm good.6900:04:30,560 --> 00:04:31,560How are you doing?7000:04:31,560 --> 00:04:32,560Good.7100:04:32,560 --> 00:04:33,560Doing good.7200:04:33,560 --> 00:04:34,560Pretty tired today.7300:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,520You know, I was not in the suit, of course.7400:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,080I was already dressed this way and I didn't feel like changing.7500:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,680So, you know, we're just going to roll it.7600:04:44,680 --> 00:04:51,480And yeah, just did a lot, a lot of calls today, kind of dealing with the student debt situation7700:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,840now that it's coming back a little.7800:04:54,840 --> 00:05:01,240What you need to know news for some people, I guess, is that Biden administration is forgiving7900:05:01,240 --> 00:05:07,520certain loans for people who are already 20 to 25 years in student loan payments.8000:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,040He's forgiving those individuals as of right now.8100:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,960So they're they're moving up towards it.8200:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,520But you know, I have to deal with mine now that payments are starting again in the next8300:05:16,520 --> 00:05:17,520couple of months.8400:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,560So, you know, a lot of calls for that.8500:05:19,560 --> 00:05:20,560That's it.8600:05:20,560 --> 00:05:21,560That's super fun.8700:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,280But I kind of came out of it as best as you can come out of it.8800:05:24,280 --> 00:05:25,280So, you know, I'm happy.8900:05:25,280 --> 00:05:26,280I got you.9000:05:26,280 --> 00:05:27,280That's good.9100:05:27,280 --> 00:05:28,280That's good.9200:05:28,280 --> 00:05:29,280All right.9300:05:29,280 --> 00:05:30,280Let's read off this review.9400:05:30,280 --> 00:05:31,680And this is a long one.9500:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,880Like I said, if you are going to leave a review, feel free to leave it on Apple Podcasts or9600:05:36,880 --> 00:05:43,520go to the website, www.purplepoliticalbreakdown.com or where you can leave a message, leave a voicemail,9700:05:43,520 --> 00:05:48,840with email, the review and it can get shouted out and try to pay attention to like different9800:05:48,840 --> 00:05:50,440comments based on the solutions.9900:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,040We admit and to kind of read some of the feedback running that as well.10000:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,040But, you know, stay tuned for that for later.10100:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,560This one is from Big Jags.10200:05:58,560 --> 00:06:05,720They said this podcast does a great job of presenting several aspects of a complex issues10300:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,440related to politics, historical references, what we've done in the past, the potential10400:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,960solutions or thing you should expect in this podcast.10500:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,640It really helps to understand what we've done in the past.10600:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,840Now both sides are presenting their problems and or solutions to reach some form of consensus10700:06:21,840 --> 00:06:27,120and producing a government that is more in line with a government should provide.10800:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,640Worth a listen, unless you'd rather follow what you're told blindly.10900:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,480You don't want to do that, of course.11000:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,620If that's the case, you only listen to the episodes you think you like and refuse to11100:06:35,620 --> 00:06:40,720respect others opinions, but expect others to respect yours, thereby remaining part of11200:06:40,720 --> 00:06:41,720the problem.11300:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,800I think you've spit in some facts over there.11400:06:44,800 --> 00:06:45,800I don't know.11500:06:45,800 --> 00:06:46,800I think so.11600:06:46,800 --> 00:06:47,800I think so.11700:06:47,800 --> 00:06:48,800Yeah.11800:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,760I mean, that's what we try to do here in the podcast to kind of present these problems,11900:06:52,760 --> 00:06:58,640present very nuanced takes and conversational conversations regarding these different problems12000:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,320and topics.12100:07:00,320 --> 00:07:06,080And most importantly, try to kind of look at it from different points of views that12200:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,440even if not our own and find solutions.12300:07:10,440 --> 00:07:15,500Like I've said already prior, I feel like so many of these podcasts propose these problems.12400:07:15,500 --> 00:07:18,480No solutions and just complaints.12500:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,120I mean, that's not helping anybody at the end of the day.12600:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,320So appreciate you, of course.12700:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,440And that's what we'll continue to do for the podcast moving forward.12800:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,680Hope you enjoy future episodes.12900:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,000I did talk to Paul, Jonathan.13000:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,000He said he will try to start making.13100:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,240He said he probably won't be able to do Thursday episodes, but he said he will try to be able13200:07:42,240 --> 00:07:43,840to do like Mondays.13300:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,560And he said he will be back next week.13400:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,080So we'll have Paul back for next week.13500:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,160And next week is, I believe, a double guest, too.13600:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,400I think there's two guests there.13700:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,240It's lined up to come on the show.13800:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,560So we'll see how that kind of place plays out.13900:07:59,560 --> 00:08:06,780So let's start off with a what you need to know.14000:08:06,780 --> 00:08:12,320These are current events, current topics that is going on in society that may you may be14100:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,520interested in, of course.14200:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,720First thing we got is the actor strike.14300:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,000I'm sure you heard about it.14400:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,960You know, the actors kind of striking against Hollywood actors, writers, journalists, different14500:08:23,960 --> 00:08:30,280people kind of upset with the current way things are in the Hollywood landscape.14600:08:30,280 --> 00:08:37,480Another current news going on is U.S. health regulators approved the first birth control14700:08:37,480 --> 00:08:43,840medication available over the counter without a prescription called Opal.14800:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,960So basically think of this as one of those drugs you can buy at any store, kind of like14900:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,180a Tylenol, and you don't need a prescription to get it by any means.15000:08:52,180 --> 00:09:00,640So this is the first kind of step towards that type of drugs, I guess.15100:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,600We're going to talk about a little bit since it's kind of touches in with the main topic15200:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,120of abortion potentially.15300:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,760I'm not.15400:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,040We'll talk about it later.15500:09:09,040 --> 00:09:16,240And then the last thing is that there's the new NDAA bill that they're trying to get passed15600:09:16,240 --> 00:09:17,240through the Senate.15700:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,900Apparently, it did get passed by the House, but there's expectation that it won't pass15800:09:21,900 --> 00:09:23,200through the Senate.15900:09:23,200 --> 00:09:28,520From what I saw, someone sent me a newsletter regarding it.16000:09:28,520 --> 00:09:33,200Usually these NDAA bills are pretty consistent.16100:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,280You know, it's a compromise from the two sides.16200:09:36,280 --> 00:09:42,560Usually they put some filler stuff in, but for the most part, it gets passed pretty cleanly16300:09:42,560 --> 00:09:44,420throughout the years.16400:09:44,420 --> 00:09:47,040But this time there's going to be controversy.16500:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,040Why?16600:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,000Because we've said it before, it seems like the political landscape is becoming much more16700:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,260divided than it's ever been before.16800:09:54,260 --> 00:09:57,800And some of the things that's going to cause stir for the Democrats, because these are16900:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,120things that the conservatives put in.17000:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,400I'm curious what Jonathan thinks of them, of course.17100:10:03,400 --> 00:10:09,840Some of the controversial new things that they want to put in this includes a provision17200:10:09,840 --> 00:10:16,360blocking the Pentagon's policy of reimbursing service members who have to travel to obtain17300:10:16,360 --> 00:10:22,540abortions because of where they are based, a provision eliminating the Defense Department17400:10:22,540 --> 00:10:30,640office for DEI, diversity, equity and inclusion, a provision barring the military health care17500:10:30,640 --> 00:10:37,600plan from covering gender transition surgeries and medications, and a provision prohibiting17600:10:37,600 --> 00:10:43,880Defense Department schools from teaching critical race theory.17700:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,160So these are some of the things conservatives want to try to get passed with this new NDAA17800:10:48,160 --> 00:10:55,640bill, but the Senate may not let this go through, making it a controversial bill.17900:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,720So what do you think about the current news, Jonathan?18000:11:00,720 --> 00:11:07,080You know, obviously I have opinions about the abortion bill.18100:11:07,080 --> 00:11:15,540But as for the actors strike, you know, I really could care less.18200:11:15,540 --> 00:11:18,680Like I'm not sure why they're striking exactly.18300:11:18,680 --> 00:11:22,160I think it has something to do with pay or something like that.18400:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,160Usually.18500:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,160Yeah.18600:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,160Pay and conditions.18700:11:27,160 --> 00:11:35,400But my thing to be fair is like not only the actor stuff with this Hollywood situation,18800:11:35,400 --> 00:11:42,440but I feel like in a lot of media companies, more entertainment media companies as of late18900:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,120have been taking advantage of their people a little bit too much, like voice actors to19000:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,520animators, for example.19100:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,200Animators get treated horribly.19200:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,200Yes.19300:11:51,200 --> 00:11:52,200Considering the tight deadline.19400:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,200So yes.19500:11:54,200 --> 00:11:59,560So I was what I was going to say, the actors, I feel like, you know, there's probably some19600:11:59,560 --> 00:12:03,600actors the small actors probably get taken advantage of.19700:12:03,600 --> 00:12:09,860As I understand it, the sag isn't a very good union.19800:12:09,860 --> 00:12:16,040So a lot of actors go for something called like by four or five or something like that19900:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,160or something along those lines.20000:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,160And that's the union.20100:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,440That's like a private union that that they joined because they do a better job.20200:12:24,440 --> 00:12:29,280I feel like actors are some of the highest class people.20300:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,720I don't doubt that some of them get treated poorly.20400:12:32,720 --> 00:12:33,720The majority of them.20500:12:33,720 --> 00:12:38,400These people make millions of dollars a year.20600:12:38,400 --> 00:12:39,720And so I don't feel that bad.20700:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,880However, the writers strike.20800:12:41,880 --> 00:12:48,120I totally understand because I do know that Hollywood writers just get pulled over the20900:12:48,120 --> 00:12:49,120coals.21000:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,480Same thing with animators.21100:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,660I know animators get treated like crap.21200:12:55,660 --> 00:12:59,160And that's one of the reasons I think a lot of animation is like so bad.21300:12:59,160 --> 00:13:05,000Like if you look at like the Lord of the Rings animation from like 2000 versus like the modern21400:13:05,000 --> 00:13:10,600Marvel animation from their recent movies and shows like the 2000s animation.21500:13:10,600 --> 00:13:16,080I mean, Jurassic Park's animation in 1993 was better than a lot of the animation that21600:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,080comes out.21700:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,080Yeah.21800:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,520You know, it's not because the technology is getting worse, obviously, it's just because21900:13:22,520 --> 00:13:27,000the big the big production houses don't treat animators well, don't give them enough time22000:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,240to work with stuff.22100:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,160Yeah, they put them in like strict deadlines.22200:13:31,160 --> 00:13:36,320And I mean, Marvel learned from their mistakes with all the different passion projects that22300:13:36,320 --> 00:13:41,600they were trying to do in a short deadline and how inefficient that really was.22400:13:41,600 --> 00:13:46,600They scaled back a little bit to make sure that they're focusing on the in the important22500:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,960projects, which, you know, they should have done in the first place.22600:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,760But yeah, I feel bad for the the the people.22700:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,840Obviously, the high A-list actors probably don't care.22800:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,120They might do so.22900:14:00,120 --> 00:14:05,120They might join out of maybe beliefs.23000:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,800You know, you never know which actor is really genuine or not.23100:14:08,800 --> 00:14:14,360And then some will join due to, you know, positive image.23200:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,680You know, so I saw I saw a meme.23300:14:17,680 --> 00:14:22,520Mark Ruffalo was out with a sign and he was just wearing all this disheveled clothes and23400:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,160someone captioned it.23500:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,600Quick agent, get me my poor guy clothes.23600:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,480Yeah, like it's a publicity side.23700:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,400That's, you know, some of the stuff.23800:14:32,400 --> 00:14:38,440You know, you want to be you want to be seeming like you care about these circumstances being23900:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,440an A-list actor.24000:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,040And some people just won't care.24100:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,360I mean, to be fair, I mean, if you're going to pay the big bucks, you can't expect them24200:14:45,360 --> 00:14:46,680to care at the end of the day.24300:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,400So, you know, you only could do much for those people.24400:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,000But yeah, it's a it's a.24500:14:53,000 --> 00:14:58,240That really plays into the bigger conversation of like.24600:14:58,240 --> 00:15:04,600The thing with capitalism is we can't really check these billionaires.24700:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,840Right.24800:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,040Usually you got to hope from the kindness of their heart that they're willing to, you24900:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,960know, help out the rest of society.25000:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,960And obviously you can raise taxes.25100:15:15,960 --> 00:15:21,800Well, we saw we see time and time again, raising taxes to a ridiculous extent will just motivate25200:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,440them to take their businesses to places that won't be taxed.25300:15:26,440 --> 00:15:32,640And even if you realistically, because people don't really understand in terms of the percentage25400:15:32,640 --> 00:15:37,460that we tax the rich, I mean, as of right now, they do get taxed more.25500:15:37,460 --> 00:15:40,440So I mean, they are more far more.25600:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,920It's just people don't know this.25700:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,520The average person thinks that they don't get taxed at all.25800:15:44,520 --> 00:15:45,520Right.25900:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,320So, you know, that's not a plus.26000:15:48,320 --> 00:15:53,72085 percent of all taxes that happen in America is like 400K above.26100:15:53,720 --> 00:15:58,280Like people who make that pay like maybe not quite that much, but like close to 70 percent26200:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,120of taxes.26300:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,360I wouldn't even be surprised by that number.26400:16:03,360 --> 00:16:11,620But at the end of the day, it's such a tough thing in a capitalist country to the only26500:16:11,620 --> 00:16:20,080way to really force these billionaires hands are things like unions or things like strikes.26600:16:20,080 --> 00:16:26,320You got the workers have to force the billionaires to do the government won't be the government26700:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,320won't do shit.26800:16:27,320 --> 00:16:33,040But the workers really have to come together and we're like, hey, we need better X, Y and26900:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,840Z. That's the only way to get anything done.27000:16:35,840 --> 00:16:36,840Yeah.27100:16:36,840 --> 00:16:37,840Yeah, I agree.27200:16:37,840 --> 00:16:38,840I agree.27300:16:38,840 --> 00:16:47,000So what about the NDAA bill?27400:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,040Do you like everything that they're trying to pass or do you disagree?27500:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,600So I like those last two things.27600:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,520I'll be honest, though, I haven't had a chance to read that bill yet.27700:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,120I'm not sure everything that's in it.27800:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,400I do like the last two things you read, though.27900:17:00,400 --> 00:17:05,600You know, I don't think that I don't think that transgender surgery should should be28000:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,840allowed, period.28100:17:08,840 --> 00:17:15,040And that that particularly, I think, is is a good a good thing.28200:17:15,040 --> 00:17:20,480Specifically, like, you know, I think you said that was in the context of military hospitals28300:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,480and veterans.28400:17:22,480 --> 00:17:27,760I don't think that the VA should be paying for that sort of stuff.28500:17:27,760 --> 00:17:40,400Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah, for like you said, the VA military funding, obviously28600:17:40,400 --> 00:17:45,160that probably if you want to do something like that, that's probably something I don't28700:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,160know.28800:17:46,160 --> 00:17:54,800I would have to kind of see what constitutes private like circumstances versus like military28900:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,960funded insurance or, you know, like you said, VA benefits, what that would cover.29000:17:59,960 --> 00:18:03,280Because from my knowledge, I feel like full active duty.29100:18:03,280 --> 00:18:09,200I don't really know any circumstances where when you go to the hospital, for example,29200:18:09,200 --> 00:18:15,480and that the VA, the health benefits that you're getting from the military doesn't cover.29300:18:15,480 --> 00:18:22,680So this would be that one exemption that you go like you go to the hospital, you have a29400:18:22,680 --> 00:18:29,360kid that wants to transition or maybe even the the person was a transition.29500:18:29,360 --> 00:18:36,280I'm not really sure how like optically how you would kind of justify that if everything29600:18:36,280 --> 00:18:37,280is covered.29700:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,240But this one thing optically, I don't know how you'd well.29800:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,280So there's a whole host of things about that.29900:18:45,280 --> 00:18:51,380I'm sure there's other surgeries like there's the trans able community, right?30000:18:51,380 --> 00:18:56,520I don't think that hospital should someone should come up and be like, hey, man, I feel30100:18:56,520 --> 00:19:02,360like I identify like I shouldn't have an arm cut off my arm.30200:19:02,360 --> 00:19:04,360Like we shouldn't cover that either.30300:19:04,360 --> 00:19:09,280I mean, there's a whole host of I mean, there was a pretty famous interview, I think, to30400:19:09,280 --> 00:19:14,140get what cable news channel was was covering it.30500:19:14,140 --> 00:19:18,320But it was a lady who literally poured bleach on her eyes because she identified as the30600:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,240one who should have been blind.30700:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,640And it's one of the things that I don't know.30800:19:23,640 --> 00:19:28,440I'm not sure if she tried to get hospital, the hospital to do it or not.30900:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,840But I don't think the hospital should have gave it, you know, she wanted it.31000:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,320I don't know if the hospital.31100:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,320No, no.31200:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,800So basically, I mean, she did go to a psychiatrist or, you know, I'm pretty sure it's called31300:19:39,800 --> 00:19:40,800psychiatrist.31400:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,760She went to a psychiatrist and the psychiatrist recommended she did.31500:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,880So she did it in a safe environment.31600:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,280So I'm not really sure if any.31700:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,880Well, is it a safe environment if you're pouring bleach on your eyes?31800:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,440I don't think that's because there's a safe environment.31900:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,880I mean, how else are you going to blind yourself, I guess?32000:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,120So you shouldn't be allowed to.32100:20:04,120 --> 00:20:08,280I think that's what we call insanity or at least used to.32200:20:08,280 --> 00:20:15,840Yeah, that that begs another question in terms of how far we want to go into these kind of32300:20:15,840 --> 00:20:21,920mental health circumstances, because a lot of these situations where you identify something32400:20:21,920 --> 00:20:30,080outside of who you are, the more accepted remedies, the more popular and studied remedies32500:20:30,080 --> 00:20:36,100for these situations or to allow them to live the experiencing that they believe that they32600:20:36,100 --> 00:20:38,560are experiencing.32700:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,960As of right now, there's really no other solution.32800:20:40,960 --> 00:20:47,400I don't even I don't really know if any other course of action would be better, like telling32900:20:47,400 --> 00:20:53,560them no, and they do it on their own or trying to lock them up for believing this, even though33000:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,680inherently it may not be their fault.33100:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,440So I don't know.33200:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,760We'll touch upon that conversation a little bit later to see what we can kind of conjure33300:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,000up, of course.33400:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,240And we'll see if we can have Paul for that one.33500:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,240Yeah.33600:21:06,240 --> 00:21:11,040See, what do you think as well to get the most nuance of nuance of nuance perspective33700:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,500regarding it?33800:21:12,500 --> 00:21:15,240But let's start off with our subtopic.33900:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,800This is social subtopic.34000:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,960So we're going over some of the things that are going on that is trending, so to speak,34100:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,000socially in society.34200:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,960So there's two things that I found that was pretty interesting to discuss and hear your34300:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,280thoughts about.34400:21:30,280 --> 00:21:37,000The first thing that I saw trending for some reason is in regards to the gender queer book34500:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,080that apparently is trending on social media.34600:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,120Now, I'm not really sure why it's now trending.34700:21:44,120 --> 00:21:48,740I do know what the book is from very surface level knowledge.34800:21:48,740 --> 00:21:51,680It's obviously an LGBTQ book.34900:21:51,680 --> 00:21:57,580I saw a couple images there, you know, scenes where the individuals were talking very sexually35000:21:57,580 --> 00:21:58,580to each other.35100:21:58,580 --> 00:22:02,800You know, an image of someone giving someone else a blowjob.35200:22:02,800 --> 00:22:08,640And my thing is because I don't like to kind of get hair narratives from conservatives35300:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,720because sometimes they blow things out of the water.35400:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,680Nor do I like to hear narratives from the left because sometimes they undermine what35500:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,440is actually going on.35600:22:16,440 --> 00:22:25,640So I would say for a book like this in a kid's library, like middle school, I had a library35700:22:25,640 --> 00:22:31,680of my school, this shouldn't be in that library by any means in a high school library.35800:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,640Arguable.35900:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,920But in a middle school library and obviously in an elementary school library, there's no36000:22:37,920 --> 00:22:43,360way in hell this should be in their libraries for a public library.36100:22:43,360 --> 00:22:48,160I mean, if it's in the adult section, I don't really see what's wrong with that.36200:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,920So I don't know.36300:22:50,920 --> 00:22:51,920Have you seen this?36400:22:51,920 --> 00:22:52,920What are your thoughts about it?36500:22:52,920 --> 00:22:53,920I have.36600:22:53,920 --> 00:23:01,320I think it's trending because there's been a particularly concerted effort to get it36700:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,520removed from school libraries, which is why I assume it's trending.36800:23:04,520 --> 00:23:10,160I know there's been talk, like a lot of Republicans and conservatives use this particular book36900:23:10,160 --> 00:23:17,400as a demonstration of the kind of books that they try to put in, you know, elementary school37000:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,200libraries because it does depict...37100:23:21,200 --> 00:23:27,400I haven't, I've never read the book front to cover, but I've seen through commentary37200:23:27,400 --> 00:23:34,880some of the photos that are in it and they depict some relatively lewd acts and describe37300:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,840some pretty lewd acts as well.37400:23:37,840 --> 00:23:43,920Certainly something that should not be in any kind of kids book.37500:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,440So because obviously it's a picture book primarily.37600:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,640It was written for elementary school readers.37700:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,320So it is a primarily like a picture book.37800:23:55,320 --> 00:24:00,360And I don't know about other people's libraries, but I can't go into my library and find porn37900:24:00,360 --> 00:24:01,360anywhere.38000:24:01,360 --> 00:24:09,480And I mean, that's not quite to the extent of some porn, I guess, because I've heard38100:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,240some pretty weird stuff out there these days.38200:24:13,240 --> 00:24:19,000Because this seems to me like pornographic material that shouldn't be in libraries.38300:24:19,000 --> 00:24:27,680Yeah, I've seen, I've seen arguments that obviously it's a formative narration of what38400:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,920it means to be lesbian, gay, whatever.38500:24:31,920 --> 00:24:40,760I'm not really sure in terms of how, how realistic it may be that this is in a school library38600:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,760because I don't see any justification for it to be in a middle school or an elementary38700:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,520school library.38800:24:46,520 --> 00:24:51,240I've seen some things that said it's in a they are in public libraries in the adult38900:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,400section.39000:24:52,400 --> 00:24:58,040So I don't even necessarily want to say that this is geared towards kids necessarily.39100:24:58,040 --> 00:25:03,520I've heard this thing from, you know, I've heard destiny say this and I agree to the39200:25:03,520 --> 00:25:09,640sentiment that the problem with the left is that there are radicals and extremists on39300:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,800the left that want to do weird stuff.39400:25:12,800 --> 00:25:19,480Like they would actually advocate putting this book in an elementary school.39500:25:19,480 --> 00:25:26,360And the problem with the left is like the more rational ones, arguably, instead of condemning39600:25:26,360 --> 00:25:33,280this type of situation, like a Paul probably would or Connor probably would, or even a39700:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,680WIC probably would.39800:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,840Instead of that, the popular consensus is just defending it because it's on the left.39900:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,360And that actually goes hand to hand what we were talking about before, how Democrats are40000:25:44,360 --> 00:25:49,200very much willing to defend their side regardless if they believe it or not.40100:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,240And that's a big problem with the left is they're not willing to condemn things that40200:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,820are obviously stupid and wrong.40300:25:55,820 --> 00:26:04,440So I know sometimes the right uses much, uses propaganda to a certain extent and says things40400:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,640that are that could be untrue.40500:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,400So I would have to factually be sure that this is something that is being pushed in40600:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,080elementary or middle schools.40700:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,720I don't see any justification for it.40800:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,160I mean, I feel like the only states that may do is like something like California, but40900:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,720California is crazy.41000:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,560So with that said, I would have to be very sure.41100:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,800But in terms of public libraries, I can't see a reason why you would take it out of41200:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,640public library if it's in the adult section.41300:26:30,640 --> 00:26:37,040And I see it, I did see that some things that were said, some kind of comparisons that were41400:26:37,040 --> 00:26:42,040said is like, okay, what about those lewd anime, anime manga?41500:26:42,040 --> 00:26:47,120Because I mean, to be fair, anime manga can be very, very lewd.41600:26:47,120 --> 00:26:53,360So yeah, if it's a public library for everybody, keep it out of the kids section, make it very41700:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,440clear that this is an adult book.41800:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,420If you want to read it when you're 18, then go ahead.41900:26:58,420 --> 00:27:03,640But if it actually is in middle schools, elementary schools, arguably high schools, I'll be willing42000:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,600to engage that conversations.42100:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,680But yeah, if they're in those at those locations, get rid of it.42200:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,160And everybody tries to kind of defend it.42300:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,360They're just, you know, a lefty defender that doesn't know what they're talking about.42400:27:16,360 --> 00:27:17,920They're just talking and saying stuff.42500:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,340So it doesn't really help the situation.42600:27:21,340 --> 00:27:26,400So the other topic, and I was telling you about telling you about it a little bit, is42700:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,800that there's something really cringe going on in society.42800:27:30,800 --> 00:27:40,800So a new popular trend that is going on is tick talkers are going on the streaming platform.42900:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,360And it makes it very easy to interact with those content creators.43000:27:46,360 --> 00:27:50,920And what you could do is you can send them these different kind of emotes or these different43100:27:50,920 --> 00:27:56,760type of actions or animations for them to react.43200:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,400And it reminds me of the trend back in the day with those weird kind of weaves that would43300:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,040kind of do those cringe ass dances on tick tock.43400:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,920Well, this is basically the same thing.43500:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,560They're bouncing up and down like they're kind of bouncing on something and doing cringe43600:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,520actions.43700:28:14,520 --> 00:28:22,280And anytime someone sends them an animation or icon or whatever, they would go like, oh,43800:28:22,280 --> 00:28:28,560in terms of them getting electrocuted or a meow if a cat is sent to them or, you know,43900:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,080just really cringe worthy stuff.44000:28:32,080 --> 00:28:37,200Like if you saw a rational person on the side of the street doing these actions, you would44100:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,180think they were insane.44200:28:39,180 --> 00:28:41,480This is just not normal behavior.44300:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,120But obviously, when you see one individual who starts doing it and obviously the person44400:28:46,120 --> 00:28:51,400that starts doing it is a white girl that's dressed as like an anime character who's really44500:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,400attractive.44600:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,960So you go off the trend of her.44700:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,920It starts with a girl like that.44800:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,320And then everybody else sees like, oh, this is I can make some easy money like this.44900:29:01,320 --> 00:29:06,640So we got more people starting to do it and more and more people willing to kind of bail45000:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,200out their integrity to do this stuff.45100:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,080So yeah, it's super cringe.45200:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,920What do you think about Jonathan?45300:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,760I think that's insane.45400:29:17,760 --> 00:29:26,640I would be curious to know the average age of the person who does that.45500:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,640And then like whatever the average age of the person that does that, add 10 years and45600:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,280that should be the voting age for America.45700:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,440So they look like they're in their 20s.45800:29:37,440 --> 00:29:43,960And we need that I will be willing to forfeit my vote and to make the voting age 30.45900:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,160Like I'm down to do that.46000:29:46,160 --> 00:29:52,240Like if the average person is like 18 doing it, make the voting age 28.46100:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,240Like I'm fine with that.46200:29:53,240 --> 00:29:59,520I will forfeit my vote because the people who do that sort of thing, they're obviously46300:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,480they're not paying attention to politics.46400:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,980They don't know what's going on.46500:30:02,980 --> 00:30:09,280They don't understand what the Democrats believe nor what the Republicans believe.46600:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,480They don't they don't pay attention to policies that are being promoted.46700:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,520Yeah, they're just making easy buck by doing some cringe stuff.46800:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,720But there's an interesting argument that comes out of this.46900:30:22,720 --> 00:30:29,560And that interesting argument comes down to the age old debate of responsibility between47000:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,040consumer versus the product.47100:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,540And obviously this goes way deeper since the product is a human.47200:30:37,540 --> 00:30:43,320And this plays not only plays into the aspect of being extremely cringe on TikTok live streams,47300:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,140but I mean, the argument can go to things like porn as well.47400:30:47,140 --> 00:30:49,920Things like OnlyFans as well.47500:30:49,920 --> 00:30:56,460So we see these individuals that are doing these very cringeworthy things.47600:30:56,460 --> 00:31:03,280But the consumers that is playing into the popularity of these things are more than likely47700:31:03,280 --> 00:31:11,200these very either cringe worthy kids who have no life, kids or teenagers, or these old,47800:31:11,200 --> 00:31:17,600more than likely old men that are depraved and pathetic.47900:31:17,600 --> 00:31:24,680So these are the people that tend to buy into this and tend to feed into this.48000:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,800And this is just another example of how they can do that.48100:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,240Because for the most part, the people who tend to benefit the most from this, we know48200:31:31,240 --> 00:31:38,720who they are, the people who tend to benefit the most are very attractive young women.48300:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,320And all they got to do with this cringe worthy stuff, all they got to do is make an OnlyFans,48400:31:43,320 --> 00:31:49,680all they got to do is make porn and you got these depraved men kind of feeding into them.48500:31:49,680 --> 00:31:56,560The problem, especially with things like OnlyFans, is obviously it's not very edifying for any48600:31:56,560 --> 00:31:57,760of the parties involved.48700:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,680It's not good for you.48800:32:00,680 --> 00:32:09,120Secondly, I'm not sure the exact statistics, but it's like of the population of women who48900:32:09,120 --> 00:32:17,480are on OnlyFans, a minute fraction of the people actually make anywhere near amount49000:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,840of money to be worth anything.49100:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,840So of the probably hundreds of thousands at this point of people who are on it, most of49200:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,880them are just selling their bodies for nothing.49300:32:27,880 --> 00:32:28,880And that's not okay.49400:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,480That's not okay.49500:32:30,480 --> 00:32:39,680The other thing with things like TikTok is obviously there's something like unnatural49600:32:39,680 --> 00:32:40,920about that sort of thing.49700:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,080Like I don't know how true this is, but this is something that I've heard that and I would49800:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,440be willing to believe it.49900:32:46,440 --> 00:32:52,160Because in China, TikTok is more of an educational platform.50000:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,200Like it's a bunch of people teaching you educational things, how to work with wood, how to work50100:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,960with your hands, how to do mathematics, all those sorts of things.50200:33:00,960 --> 00:33:07,200And I would be willing to believe that based on my dad having been to China numerous times50300:33:07,200 --> 00:33:13,680telling, like they would send like letter letters, like handwritten.50400:33:13,680 --> 00:33:19,440And so his students would send letters back to his parents like with postcards.50500:33:19,440 --> 00:33:25,800And when they got back home, the letter that they wrote was different than the one that50600:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,780their parents received.50700:33:27,780 --> 00:33:33,900So even like letter through the mail was read through and edited and changed.50800:33:33,900 --> 00:33:39,380And so when it comes to the TikTok that we have here in America, there's legitimate problems50900:33:39,380 --> 00:33:45,480with it, there's something unnatural about standing in front of a screen doing a weird51000:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,480dance and then pretending to get struck by lightning, pretending to meow like a cat,51100:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,800to bark like a dog, to do all of these very strange and unnatural things.51200:33:53,800 --> 00:33:59,200I think to some extent it is actually degrading to the person who's doing it.51300:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,880Like the person who's willing to like, we here are obviously both sitting in front of51400:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,320a screen, sitting in front of a camera, but we're doing something that has been done51500:34:09,320 --> 00:34:15,400since the time of Athens, discussing important topics that are affecting our society.51600:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,120What neither of us are doing and who knows, I might find a Waddell Lewis live stream of51700:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,520you jumping up and getting struck by lightning, but I doubt it.51800:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,360There's a huge difference.51900:34:26,360 --> 00:34:31,480One of these two, the only thing I think that could make this conversation even better is52000:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,520if we were in person and or smoking a cigar.52100:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,320Like that would make it even better.52200:34:37,320 --> 00:34:44,920What is not good is jumping up and down in front of a camera and pretending to get struck52300:34:44,920 --> 00:34:51,120by lightning by people who this individual will probably never see, doesn't know their52400:34:51,120 --> 00:34:57,520names because all their names are like Hugh Chungus or these fake names that are just52500:34:57,520 --> 00:35:04,400and then Hugh Chungus or you know Mike Oxlong 22145 or probably 42069.52600:35:04,400 --> 00:35:11,080Like these fake people who don't post their actual pictures online and who just do weird52700:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,160and lexical acts.52800:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,200There's something unnatural about that.52900:35:15,200 --> 00:35:20,960And I think that this is one of the things that's bleeding into our society.53000:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,840I very much agree that it's unnatural.53100:35:24,840 --> 00:35:31,420I'm not willing to concede that China might be doing something to America's algorithm53200:35:31,420 --> 00:35:33,280to make us crazy.53300:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,040Is it possible?53400:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,040I'm not.53500:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,040I wasn't.53600:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,040I wasn't.53700:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,040Oh, I know.53800:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,880I don't think you were saying that, but you got to clarify these things for because people53900:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,440on the conservatives on the right definitely believe China's manipulating the algorithm54000:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,440to make Americans.54100:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,220I wouldn't be like, oh my God, I never saw that coming if it was true.54200:35:54,220 --> 00:35:59,840But I'm also hesitant to get involved in the conspiracy theories like that.54300:35:59,840 --> 00:36:06,500Yeah, I'm you when it comes down to these those type of topics, you can entertain the54400:36:06,500 --> 00:36:12,880idea as plausible with enough evidence because one thing you don't want to do is be blissfully54500:36:12,880 --> 00:36:18,400ignorant, but you can't let those conspiracies, especially without evidence, dictate how you54600:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,020navigate life.54700:36:20,020 --> 00:36:27,560So my thing is considering I don't really believe that China is trying to manipulate54800:36:27,560 --> 00:36:33,500the algorithm, I think what it really shows is what obviously China controls all the information54900:36:33,500 --> 00:36:38,160in their own country and forces certain types of information on their people.55000:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,340And they can do that because they're a communist country.55100:36:41,340 --> 00:36:42,520So that's one thing.55200:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,200The second part is since America is so free and we are allowed to absorb any media that55300:36:47,200 --> 00:36:53,200we want for the most part, boring some examples we've talked about time and time again, this55400:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,220arguably could be what the consumers want.55500:36:57,220 --> 00:36:58,560And that is the problem.55600:36:58,560 --> 00:37:08,160The consumers want the weird cringe stuff, especially if this is mostly like the people55700:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,240people need to recognize the people who are on the Internet all the time, the people who55800:37:12,240 --> 00:37:16,200are on TikTok all day, the people who are on social media all day, whether you want55900:37:16,200 --> 00:37:21,400to agree with it or not, those people are people more than likely they don't have life,56000:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,020that they don't have a life.56100:37:23,020 --> 00:37:25,500They don't really have a personal life.56200:37:25,500 --> 00:37:27,560They don't really interact with people that much.56300:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,400And I'm not saying the time and time like time again, time and time again, social media56400:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,440users where you use it momentarily.56500:37:34,440 --> 00:37:39,000I'm talking about who spend every waking moment on the site and on the platform.56600:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,200Those people who spend nine hours plus.56700:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,200I would.56800:37:43,200 --> 00:37:48,080So I guess I would readdress my statement about the age.56900:37:48,080 --> 00:37:58,560I wouldn't be surprised if the average actor in those TikTok videos was was 20, you know,57000:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,920in their teen late teens or 20s.57100:38:00,920 --> 00:38:08,460I would be surprised if the average consumer of that information of those videos was over57200:38:08,460 --> 00:38:11,480the age of say 15 or 16.57300:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,840I would be willing to bet that the majority of people and this might be optimistic of57400:38:16,840 --> 00:38:24,440me, but I am hesitant to believe that 17 year olds, 18 year olds are absorbing that kind57500:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,120of ludicrous, weird, strange, quirky kind of videos.57600:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,760At least when I was that age, which was only a couple of years ago, because I'm not that57700:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,120old, that would be you.57800:38:36,120 --> 00:38:43,440If anybody found out that you were watching some weird TikTok stream of a person pretending57900:38:43,440 --> 00:38:49,480to get struck by lightning or me like a cat like your your public life is you might as58000:38:49,480 --> 00:38:55,160well dig a hole in the ground and just live in it because your life was over publicly.58100:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,440And I very much agree to that.58200:38:57,440 --> 00:39:03,040I think more than likely the people who are spending money for these situations are people58300:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,600that's like over the age of 40.58400:39:05,600 --> 00:39:06,680Those are the people probably do.58500:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,160So there's there's either two people who are doing it.58600:39:09,160 --> 00:39:14,240The people who, like you said, are rather perverted and they're they're old quacks58700:39:14,240 --> 00:39:19,440or they're like 12 year olds, 13 year olds who are just watching the streams and or mommy58800:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,920and daddy doesn't really check the credit card bill.58900:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,520And so they don't really know like, oh, can I buy this?59000:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,520Yeah, sure.59100:39:25,520 --> 00:39:26,520Whatever.59200:39:26,520 --> 00:39:33,640And so they're young people because at least when I was like, you know, a teenager, like59300:39:33,640 --> 00:39:40,120I would if if I if I was interested in something, but I thought it was kind of weird, I would59400:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,960just forfeit that because I was a cool teenager.59500:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,320I had to be a macho guy and I couldn't be perceived in that light.59600:39:47,320 --> 00:39:53,440And so I would be shocked if the average person and the problem is, is 12 is actually much59700:39:53,440 --> 00:39:59,960more of a malleable age, you know, 10, 11, 12, 13 than is 17, 18 or 19.59800:39:59,960 --> 00:40:06,600So it's even worse if I agree that the majority is actually 12.59900:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,480I think the majority.60000:40:08,480 --> 00:40:16,640Well, the majority watching, you may be able to argue is like young kids, but the the percentage60100:40:16,640 --> 00:40:22,200of people that's making this a trend are the old perverts because they're the ones paying60200:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,760these people to make and making them so that very well could be.60300:40:25,760 --> 00:40:33,040But it's also the the for lack of a better term, the actors in those streams, the influence,60400:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,600the influencers, let's say.60500:40:35,600 --> 00:40:41,200And the reason that that is a problem is because as they do that more, they distance themselves60600:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,440even further from reality.60700:40:44,440 --> 00:40:51,760And they and the reason that they're doing that is because they're just giving into their60800:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,940fantasies of being popular.60900:40:53,940 --> 00:40:56,520I think we've talked about this before.61000:40:56,520 --> 00:41:04,400There's a very big difference now as opposed to 30 years ago of a star.61100:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,400Right.61200:41:05,400 --> 00:41:10,960Ten years ago, like there was only a handful of stars, let alone 20 years ago, let alone61300:41:10,960 --> 00:41:11,96030 years ago.61400:41:11,960 --> 00:41:17,960If you were a star, that pretty much meant the entirety of America knew who you were.61500:41:17,960 --> 00:41:23,400You are a household name like Humphrey Bogart, for example.61600:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,440Even most people now still know who that is, is the actor from Casablanca.61700:41:28,440 --> 00:41:35,360But now like you can even reference a very popular person that I've never heard of.61800:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,200I hadn't really heard of destiny before you brought him up.61900:41:38,200 --> 00:41:45,840But this is a very popular individual, somebody who makes a living off of being an influencer.62000:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,360And then there's people like Chris Pratt.62100:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,840There's the movie star actors as well.62200:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,760But even a relatively famous movie star actor now can still not be a household name.62300:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,240And there's people that I like and I like to listen to.62400:41:56,240 --> 00:42:00,200You've probably never heard of Jonathan Pagiot.62500:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,040Have you ever heard of him?62600:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,960What does he do?62700:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,320So he's a podcaster and an artist.62800:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,000Yeah, probably not.62900:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,840So he's also a very famous individual in the spheres that I like.63000:42:14,840 --> 00:42:20,760And so now these TikTok influencers are also being this kind of strange.63100:42:20,760 --> 00:42:25,400They have this strange celebrity status that actually serves no function.63200:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,880But the problem is, is they will have a huge influence on these people who absorb their63300:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,880contents lives because they're perceived in the status of celebrity, even though all they63400:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,280do is do weird TikTok dances.63500:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,800Yeah, that's a problem.63600:42:40,800 --> 00:42:47,280But it's very interesting to see how these trends go, because when it comes down to the63700:42:47,280 --> 00:42:55,680more, I guess, PG cringe space of TikTok, of becoming popular through, you know, ridiculous63800:42:55,680 --> 00:43:02,800means but to some perverts and some young kids, cute means in a way, or the kind of63900:43:02,800 --> 00:43:11,080Belle de Fene types, right, they dress very quirky, they put on makeup to make their skin64000:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,720very smooth.64100:43:12,720 --> 00:43:14,400They're very cute.64200:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,200They look very pretty in the face.64300:43:17,200 --> 00:43:23,800They put on like pink hair or whatever very, very kind of tight or small clothing, maybe64400:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,480put on some cat ears.64500:43:25,480 --> 00:43:32,960So this this this type of actor as we as we're talking about it, are the ones that tend to64600:43:32,960 --> 00:43:40,700popularize these very cringe trends that other people hop upon either as a troll, or due64700:43:40,700 --> 00:43:42,280to kind of feed into it.64800:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,960And obviously, the only people who really make money from it are probably going to be64900:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,900the the attractive women, right.65000:43:49,900 --> 00:43:56,400But it's interesting to see that this type of individual this type of kind of stereotype65100:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,920of a woman who kind of gets this popular, they do this.65200:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,760And then in terms of like only fan in the porn industry, those type, obviously go in65300:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,320a very much different route where they make sure they get certain surgeries to make certain65400:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,480areas look bigger, and all that stuff.65500:44:13,480 --> 00:44:23,000So there's there's plenty of perversion to go around for things to kind of get trendy.65600:44:23,000 --> 00:44:30,840And I would say what makes the the tick tock live stream a lot more concerning, because65700:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,360the only fan stuff we're gonna have a whole conversation regarding that.65800:44:34,360 --> 00:44:39,360Well, Matt, what makes that concerning is it's kind of pathetic man who wants to be65900:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,680what the person and you know, gets kind of obsessed with the person.66000:44:43,680 --> 00:44:49,680Yeah, what makes the the tick tock stuff kind of very cringe is the person who starts the66100:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,080trend tends to look very young and be very young.66200:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,000And not only that, the actions that they're doing, the dances they're doing, the voices66300:44:58,000 --> 00:45:04,480they're doing the what they're doing, are kid like these are kid like actions.66400:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,960These are specifically kid like actions.66500:45:06,960 --> 00:45:14,800So what kind of gets popular here are things that may appeal to those kids, obviously,66600:45:14,800 --> 00:45:20,640but the purpose that we're referencing are very, very disgusting perverts.66700:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,440The reason why they like this stuff is because it's a young girl doing it.66800:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,440And it's because the young girls doing things that is very kiddy like that's why they use66900:45:29,440 --> 00:45:30,440a kid voice.67000:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,300That's why they do kiddy dances.67100:45:32,300 --> 00:45:33,360That's why this happens.67200:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,880So this this plays into the depravity of certain individuals.67300:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,680I think there's two prongs to that.67400:45:40,680 --> 00:45:46,080I think you're totally right that there is some some pedophilic things about it.67500:45:46,080 --> 00:45:52,240But I think there's also I think that the people who do that, who do the acting portion67600:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,640of this, right?67700:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,600They're probably also likely to have a large overlap.67800:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,520And I don't know if this is entirely true.67900:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,280This is speculation on my behalf.68000:46:02,280 --> 00:46:08,440We have a relatively large overlap of the Disney adult thing of like adults who are68100:46:08,440 --> 00:46:14,600still obsessed with Disney and in some they're they're stuck there.68200:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,240They're forever perpetual children.68300:46:17,240 --> 00:46:23,720They're infantilized and they're they're living off two things off of the affirmation of other68400:46:23,720 --> 00:46:24,720people.68500:46:24,720 --> 00:46:25,720Right.68600:46:25,720 --> 00:46:29,440Because all they probably do is wake up in the morning and look at their specs on how68700:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,240many likes they got, comments they got, all these sorts of things.68800:46:33,240 --> 00:46:40,080And then they live off of the notion of being able to recreate and relive childhood memories.68900:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,880And that's also a problem because it's a lack of psychological and cognitive development.69000:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,560Yeah, I'm not.69100:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,320I wouldn't be surprised about that either.69200:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,200It seems like you have a big issue with Disney.69300:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,200That's what it seems like.69400:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,880You have some quorums with Disney.69500:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,040No, I don't.69600:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,680You know, I have some qualms with some of the more recent things that they've done.69700:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,880But you know, I'll I'll admit, I mean, I still watch some of the old Disney movies because69800:47:06,880 --> 00:47:07,880they're good.69900:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,560And there's nothing wrong with on one side or another, you know, every once in a while70000:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,000being kind of sentimental and going back and watching a childhood favorite movie.70100:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,320Don't have a problem with that at all.70200:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,520The problem is when you live through it.70300:47:20,520 --> 00:47:27,160And I do think there's something strange about the Disney adults that go back every every70400:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,320couple of months to go and they don't go with their kids either.70500:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,400They just go themselves.70600:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,440Just like the people who I think it was a couple of months ago.70700:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,320Many people probably maybe don't even realize this, but they relaunched an adult kids meal.70800:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,400So it was literally a kids that came with a toy but marketed for adults.70900:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,400Interesting.71000:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,840I didn't know that McDonald's.71100:47:48,840 --> 00:47:49,840Yeah.71200:47:49,840 --> 00:47:55,080McDonald's for I think it only lasted for like a couple of weeks, but there was a time71300:47:55,080 --> 00:48:00,840it was like six months ago when they released a adult kids meal.71400:48:00,840 --> 00:48:01,840Yeah.71500:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,720I mean, like you said, they probably plays into the fact that these individuals kind71600:48:06,720 --> 00:48:10,240of hate their life and want to go back to when things were better.71700:48:10,240 --> 00:48:17,520So you really that one's a little bit a little bit tougher to kind of deal with.71800:48:17,520 --> 00:48:23,520But let's move on to the main topic of discussion, abortion.71900:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,280So I've we talked about a little bit in regards to the abortion discussion.72000:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,960I think there's kind of two prongs to go over this discussion.72100:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,120There's politically how you can look at it and obviously morally how you can look at72200:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,120it.72300:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,120Of course.72400:48:39,120 --> 00:48:50,440But I'll be honest, my moral beliefs and my political beliefs don't necessarily align.72500:48:50,440 --> 00:48:56,920When I articulated, I'll be more sure on how it compares to at the very least Jonathan's.72600:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,680But I think there I think you can look at this in very a lot of different ways when72700:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,600it comes down to the abortion discussion.72800:49:04,600 --> 00:49:11,160Now, I guess I want to start off with kind of how I see abortion and my opinions about72900:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,160it.73000:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,960I've talked about it a few times when it comes down to the podcast.73100:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,440Obviously, I posted some clips here and there.73200:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,960And of course, I'm going to have some people agreeing with some sentiments I said, some73300:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,440people saying, you're a man.73400:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,840Well, how dare you talk about what a woman can do with her body.73500:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,440So you know, you're going to get those type of opinions, of course.73600:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,360And I mean, I don't really care.73700:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,300I'm just here to have the discussion.73800:49:34,300 --> 00:49:39,920So my thing regarding abortion that I want to make very clear is that I think there is73900:49:39,920 --> 00:49:49,080an innate problem when people try to have a discussion in trying to dehumanizing or74000:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,640tries to dehumanize the fetus.74100:49:52,640 --> 00:49:53,840Stop right there.74200:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,120Yes, this is a little mini ad.74300:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,120Don't skip.74400:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,120Don't skip.74500:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,600All I want to tell you right now is that at the end of the day, when it comes down to74600:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,760all the discussions I want to have, I want to be able to communicate with you, the audience.74700:50:06,760 --> 00:50:12,120I want to be able to relay a message and receive a message from everyone and try to come up74800:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,300with these great solutions that I keep on talking about.74900:50:15,300 --> 00:50:19,840So if you want to be part of the community, make sure you go to the website and sign up75000:50:19,840 --> 00:50:26,400for not only the email list, so you can get weekly emails from me for the podcast episode,75100:50:26,400 --> 00:50:32,080informational sessions, all that great stuff, but also sign up to go on my Discord so you75200:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,280can be part of the discussions, debates on my live streams.75300:50:36,280 --> 00:50:44,320So be sure to go to the website, www.purplepoliticalbreakdown.com and go to the email list, sign up and go75400:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,460to the Discord and join the server.75500:50:47,460 --> 00:50:49,520Now back to the episode.75600:50:49,520 --> 00:50:54,720And the reason why I find this a problem is one, a fetus is a human.75700:50:54,720 --> 00:50:56,360Like we all know that it's a human.75800:50:56,360 --> 00:51:02,600And I think the conversation saying it's, you know, not until it's out of the womb or75900:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,480until it has consciousness.76000:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,800I'm willing to engage in the consciousness discussion, but I think that makes things76100:51:08,800 --> 00:51:09,800too murky.76200:51:09,800 --> 00:51:15,480I think once it kind of develops all its proper features, you can definitively say it's human.76300:51:15,480 --> 00:51:21,080But I would say the moment life begins, the spark of life is obviously at conception.76400:51:21,080 --> 00:51:27,660So once you recognize that this thing is a human, this fetus is a human, there's a lot76500:51:27,660 --> 00:51:30,600of ways you can kind of go about this.76600:51:30,600 --> 00:51:35,920And that's at this point, I don't try to play the moral hierarchy card because I personally76700:51:35,920 --> 00:51:41,200believe, and this is probably where someone in my position who said what I just said probably76800:51:41,200 --> 00:51:46,040would disagree with what I'm about to say is I don't believe all humans are equal.76900:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,600I just don't.77000:51:47,600 --> 00:51:55,320And the reason why I say that is because generally you could argue humans should be equal, but77100:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,160realistically they're not.77200:51:57,160 --> 00:52:02,680And there's a lot of different examples and different functions of when a human is treated77300:52:02,680 --> 00:52:03,680differently.77400:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,080There are certain thresholds you can meet that they should have an innate right, but77500:52:08,080 --> 00:52:14,440I don't think every human hits that threshold or I don't think every human is at that threshold77600:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,520at every part of their life based on how, how they live.77700:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,840And we can go into that a little bit more later.77800:52:19,840 --> 00:52:29,440So with that said, because I think that way and I do understand that a fetus is a human,77900:52:29,440 --> 00:52:36,960my emotional moral connection to person having an abortion is not there.78000:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,000I'm not kind of condemning the person if they have an abortion.78100:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,160If they have a abortion, they have the abortion, that's fine.78200:52:43,160 --> 00:52:48,840But you need to recognize that the decisions you led up to you having an abortion is the78300:52:48,840 --> 00:52:53,260decision leading up to you getting rid of another human being.78400:52:53,260 --> 00:53:00,720So this, this important, this is important to note because it really sets a type of standard78500:53:00,720 --> 00:53:06,520that the actions you are doing consistently aren't an actions of just getting rid of a78600:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,000bunch of cells.78700:53:08,000 --> 00:53:13,800What is an action of getting rid of human, another human being, regardless of, you know,78800:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,200if you think of it as a lesser level or equal level, it doesn't really matter.78900:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,520So that's kind of how I perceive the moral argument.79000:53:22,520 --> 00:53:27,600And that's why, you know, if you have an abortion, fine, you have an abortion.79100:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,280We can go into politically where I think you should worship being illegal.79200:53:31,280 --> 00:53:37,040We can go into that, but that's kind of how I dive into that the moral argument of what79300:53:37,040 --> 00:53:43,280is human, why people shouldn't do it, what precedent my moral standard would set and79400:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,720how people would think before they just keep on having sex and having babies and getting79500:53:48,720 --> 00:53:49,720pregnant.79600:53:49,720 --> 00:53:54,920So let me, let me hear your thoughts, Jonathan.79700:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,000So obviously I agree with some of what you said.79800:53:59,000 --> 00:54:05,840Obviously I believe that life begins at conception, right?79900:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,880I don't think abortion should be allowed period because it is a life.80000:54:10,880 --> 00:54:18,320And I even to some extent agree with what you said about all humans are not equal, but80100:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,360all humans are equal in the sight of God.80200:54:23,360 --> 00:54:24,840That's the important thing.80300:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,760That's what our bill of, not our bill of rights, but rather our declaration of independence80400:54:29,760 --> 00:54:35,560says is all humans are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.80500:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,440And a lot of the founding fathers believe that sort of thing, which is why there was80600:54:39,440 --> 00:54:40,440such a contentious argument.80700:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,120I don't want to get into it too much, but around slavery at the time of the founding80800:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,920because they wrote that down into the initiative.80900:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,520How do you make them less human so that we can get away with this?81000:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,180That's obviously a moral failing.81100:54:53,180 --> 00:54:58,760And that's exactly what's going on with the quote unquote fetus.81200:54:58,760 --> 00:55:03,400And what most people don't realize is when they use the term fetus, right?81300:55:03,400 --> 00:55:09,120Many of our scientific quote unquote terms are actually just Latin words.81400:55:09,120 --> 00:55:16,560And the word fetus in Latin means offspring, which is synonymous with the word child.81500:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,220So even if you use the word fetus, you're still just saying child.81600:55:20,220 --> 00:55:24,360It just sounds less nice.81700:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,640It sounds less childlike.81800:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,440It makes it sound less like a child when you use this, a strange Latin word because few81900:55:30,440 --> 00:55:31,800people know Latin anymore.82000:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,680But yeah, they want to dehumanize it.82100:55:34,680 --> 00:55:35,680So they use that.82200:55:35,680 --> 00:55:40,800They want to dehumanize it, which is exactly what happened with slavery and the early American82300:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,880founding.82400:55:42,880 --> 00:55:50,060But I don't like the idea of abortion, obviously, because I believe that it is murder.82500:55:50,060 --> 00:55:54,880And even the eyes of our laws see it as a murder because if I was to go kill a pregnant82600:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,320woman right now, I would be charged with a double homicide.82700:55:58,320 --> 00:56:04,000And I believe still every state, they'd at least try to peg me with a double homicide82800:56:04,000 --> 00:56:09,440because you obviously killed the mother and the baby inside.82900:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,360And if you don't kill the mother, but the baby doesn't, so like if I was to hit a woman83000:56:13,360 --> 00:56:18,600with a car and she was pregnant and the mother didn't die but the baby inside miscarried,83100:56:18,600 --> 00:56:25,840I would actually still get charged with vehicular manslaughter because I killed the baby.83200:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,960So the eyes of our laws still see it as a human life as well.83300:56:30,960 --> 00:56:39,920There's a bunch of very philosophical arguments I could make, but I don't want to get overphilosophical.83400:56:39,920 --> 00:56:45,040But at the start, that's where I would start on this topic is obviously life begins at83500:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,040conception.83600:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,120The fetus, it is a fetus because it's an offspring.83700:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,120It's a child.83800:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,800It's a living creature.83900:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,680There's a lot of scientific things you could get into as well.84000:56:57,680 --> 00:57:03,240But yeah, it is a life and so ending that life is wrong.84100:57:03,240 --> 00:57:09,320So inherently, that's kind of the first thing when it comes to the thresholds.84200:57:09,320 --> 00:57:15,120And I mean, I completely understand and I would probably prefer people just see all84300:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,200human life as like worthy of living.84400:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,200I would prefer that.84500:57:18,200 --> 00:57:24,560It's just, you know, I don't think that's realistic to what society actually is.84600:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,600And there are some examples.84700:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,000So what do you what do you mean by that?84800:57:29,000 --> 00:57:33,640Like not everyone is worthy of living?84900:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,400You don't think society thinks that way?85000:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,080No, I don't think society thinks that way.85100:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,960So what way?85200:57:39,960 --> 00:57:47,640So my thing is there innately, if you meet another random human, you may not want to85300:57:47,640 --> 00:57:52,840obviously go into your bag of thoughts and say, yeah, that person doesn't deserve to85400:57:52,840 --> 00:57:53,840live.85500:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,760Probably innately on the general spectrum, you would kind of see any average human without85600:57:57,760 --> 00:58:03,120any context as someone that you don't necessarily want to live, but you don't necessarily want85700:58:03,120 --> 00:58:04,840to not live.85800:58:04,840 --> 00:58:11,800But once you add the context and they're in certain contextual scenarios, you would either85900:58:11,800 --> 00:58:18,640risk or allow their life to disappear or adamantly make sure their life is gone.86000:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,960And in certain examples, that would be, you know, self-defense example, right?86100:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,160There will be a circumstance where someone is about to threaten you or your family.86200:58:27,160 --> 00:58:31,240And at that point, you decide you're not worth living.86300:58:31,240 --> 00:58:36,760And the situations of war, there's plenty of situations where obviously you're going86400:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,520to have to survive this battlefield and you're going to have to win in behest of your country86500:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,920or whatever territory you're defending, that person is not worth living.86600:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,280And the situation with a coma patient.86700:58:48,280 --> 00:58:53,400Now, there's a lot of example, permanent coma patient, not just, you know, one that's about86800:58:53,400 --> 00:58:54,520to wake up.86900:58:54,520 --> 00:58:59,280But there are a lot of kind of arguments behind that one as well in the sense that once you87000:58:59,280 --> 00:59:06,160know that they are not going to wake up ever again, at that point, it's not that you want87100:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,720them to die, but you realize that their life should be forfeited.87200:59:10,720 --> 00:59:20,760So in a general spectrum, I do believe for the most part, barring psychopaths, that people87300:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,760don't want other people to disappear.87400:59:23,760 --> 00:59:29,280I would even argue generally people appreciate other human lives because we're social creatures,87500:59:29,280 --> 00:59:30,520of course.87600:59:30,520 --> 00:59:37,040But in a lot of contextual scenarios, there are plenty of circumstances where as a society,87700:59:37,040 --> 00:59:44,080we even accept it as you that other person shouldn't be alive, that other person should87800:59:44,080 --> 00:59:45,080be dead.87900:59:45,080 --> 00:59:49,440Where religiously, I don't, I mean, for someone that's Christian like yourself, I wouldn't88000:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,040imagine any of them to think of this way.88100:59:52,040 --> 00:59:57,120But you know, America is not inherently a fully Christian society.88200:59:57,120 --> 01:00:02,200So I think a good chunk of people probably would think this way.88301:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,680I think that's a little bit cynical.88401:00:04,680 --> 01:00:10,120I think most people, I understand where you're coming from.88501:00:10,120 --> 01:00:14,760I think, like I said, I think that's a little bit cynical.88601:00:14,760 --> 01:00:19,680I think most people have a general sense of apathy.88701:00:19,680 --> 01:00:24,680And people only really begin to think that way when they're being inconvenienced by other88801:00:24,680 --> 01:00:25,800people.88901:00:25,800 --> 01:00:31,600I think when people are inconvenienced by others is when they begin to not really care89001:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,240if they were around.89101:00:34,240 --> 01:00:35,240But I think generally-89201:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,640I don't even think that's true.89301:00:37,640 --> 01:00:43,840And what I mean by that is the example I'm about to bring up is not necessarily them89401:00:43,840 --> 01:00:49,200wanting the other person to die, but them not caring if they live or die.89501:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,200And those examples would be people in other countries.89601:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,320Ukraine and America does not give two shits about other people in other countries that89701:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,640are dying and in a war currently right now.89801:00:59,640 --> 01:01:05,000And we even see people go even further about that when it comes to the Russia-Ukraine situation.89901:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,820Some people would rather us leave Ukraine alone and just let them all die.90001:01:08,820 --> 01:01:16,000So it even goes beyond inconvenience inherently.90101:01:16,000 --> 01:01:21,160And it may be cynical, but the people you probably, the only ones you actually care90201:01:21,160 --> 01:01:26,560about whether they live or die are the people within proximity of you.90301:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,000Except the really good people like you, Jonathan, who cares about people.90401:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,040And I appreciate those people who care about people, but I don't think that's normal.90501:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,680I can see that.90601:01:34,680 --> 01:01:35,680I can see that.90701:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,400And I wouldn't say that I'm a very good person.90801:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,600I'd say that I'm an average person.90901:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,080But there's a difference-91001:01:42,080 --> 01:01:46,080An average Christian is a good person than like the rest of society.91101:01:46,080 --> 01:01:47,080Yeah.91201:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,720Well, then I'm a below average Christian.91301:01:49,720 --> 01:01:54,320But anyways, the point, like this is a doctrine of the Christian faith, right?91401:01:54,320 --> 01:01:58,520That everybody has value in the sight of God.91501:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,680And there's something that you brought up that I would also like to address because91601:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,640there's some misconceptions.91701:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,560Because there's some people who we talked about this before, such as Nick Fuentes, who91801:02:08,560 --> 01:02:12,960really, really does a huge disservice to a Christian.91901:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,720There's this notion, and you brought up you don't really care if somebody has an abortion92001:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,800or not, right?92101:02:18,800 --> 01:02:23,720They made that decision and they have to face the consequences of that decision.92201:02:23,720 --> 01:02:29,560I would say any legitimate Christian, a Christian who has an understanding of the faith and92301:02:29,560 --> 01:02:38,280is really earnestly seeking and desiring to be like God, to follow Jesus' command and92401:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,640be perfect as I am perfect, obviously will never make that standard, but that does not92501:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,080excuse us from that journey.92601:02:44,080 --> 01:02:50,120There is a very unpopular doctrine of the Christian faith, which is do not judge lest92701:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,520ye also be judged.92801:02:52,520 --> 01:02:58,000And some people, some poor Christians, I would say, and I don't mean to be overly harsh,92901:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,640but some Christians don't think that that means what it means.93001:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,960That oh, well, he didn't really mean don't judge.93101:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,560He meant don't judge unfairly.93201:03:08,560 --> 01:03:09,560Don't judge this.93301:03:09,560 --> 01:03:10,560No.93401:03:10,560 --> 01:03:16,240When God said don't judge, when Jesus said don't judge, that means don't judge.93501:03:16,240 --> 01:03:22,320And so if someone was to get an abortion, I would be disheartened and I would be sad93601:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,720that that life was lost.93701:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,440But at the same time, I don't want to judge that person.93801:03:28,440 --> 01:03:33,560And I might judge them at first glance because I am fallible and I'm a human.93901:03:33,560 --> 01:03:38,720But hopefully I would have the wherewithal to then repent for that sin on my behalf.94001:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,880Because one of the things that is also a Christian doctrine that many people don't realize is94101:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,760that God views all sins as the same.94201:03:46,760 --> 01:03:52,600It doesn't matter if I lied on my taxes or if I went and committed a murder or if I did94301:03:52,600 --> 01:03:53,600anything.94401:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,920Jesus views all sins as the same.94501:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,240And that stands true for all things.94601:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,600And so the same thing is true with an abortion.94701:04:02,600 --> 01:04:07,960Somebody who has an abortion is no different than someone who has premarital sex and is94801:04:07,960 --> 01:04:14,240no different in the sight of God as someone who one time jaywalked.94901:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,800Because in a lot of states, jaywalking is illegal.95001:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,200And if you jaywalk, you can get charged with a crime.95101:04:20,200 --> 01:04:21,560God sees no difference in that.95201:04:21,560 --> 01:04:25,560And so I should seek to have no difference.95301:04:25,560 --> 01:04:32,120There is a difference, however, morally and consequentially to the person like Margaret95401:04:32,120 --> 01:04:39,880Sanger who pushes abortions and sees it as a virtue who is seeking to get rid of a particular95501:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,720race of people.95601:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,480That is a whole different ballpark.95701:04:43,480 --> 01:04:44,920That's a different game.95801:04:44,920 --> 01:04:49,560I am still not speaking on behalf of God saying that God cannot redeem that person.95901:04:49,560 --> 01:04:53,560But that is a different moral sin.96001:04:53,560 --> 01:05:01,200So when it comes to abortion on the personal level, you know I'm sad if you made that decision.96101:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,880It doesn't mean you can't be redeemed.96201:05:02,880 --> 01:05:07,840That doesn't mean you can't realize an error and try to correct it.96301:05:07,840 --> 01:05:15,160Yeah that's very powerful because even when you come down to either of our kind of moral96401:05:15,160 --> 01:05:21,480systems, my moral system really kind of aligns to understand it's human and because you understand96501:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,760it's human you think about your actions more so.96601:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,600I think that's very powerful.96701:05:25,600 --> 01:05:32,000But also the people when it comes down to the decisions that they're making pre and96801:05:32,000 --> 01:05:39,820after, I do think I've heard time and time again from anecdotal circumstances or they96901:05:39,820 --> 01:05:46,800either regretted it or they are happy that they didn't do what they were about to do.97001:05:46,800 --> 01:05:52,000Because once you realize it, for me, I understand it's human.97101:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,480Even though you may not agree with the second part like I said, I don't blame you if you97201:05:55,480 --> 01:06:00,120don't agree with the second part about all humans not being equal.97301:06:00,120 --> 01:06:01,680Most people won't agree with it.97401:06:01,680 --> 01:06:07,160So if you understand it's human and you do the action, that will affect you for the rest97501:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,480of your life, permanently.97601:06:10,480 --> 01:06:16,440And that's something people need to consider because you could do the action.97701:06:16,440 --> 01:06:20,680You could be in your early 20s and do it and whatever.97801:06:20,680 --> 01:06:29,160And then you maybe 32 years old, you found God or you found a more concrete moral structure.97901:06:29,160 --> 01:06:34,320And you realized that when I was in my early 20s, what are you going to think?98001:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,560You're going to think to yourself that I killed two people.98101:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,520That is what's going to happen in that scenario.98201:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,560That's what's going to happen in that situation.98301:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,000And some people can live with that.98401:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,160Some people can't.98501:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,220Some people will regret it for the rest of their lives.98601:06:47,220 --> 01:06:50,040Some people will seek forgiveness.98701:06:50,040 --> 01:06:55,800So either of the systems that we're portraying God.98801:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,500Go ahead, finish and then I'll say that's OK.98901:06:58,500 --> 01:07:04,600So either of the systems that we're portraying, what it really provides for people is a sense99001:07:04,600 --> 01:07:09,440of understanding of the actions you're about to commit.99101:07:09,440 --> 01:07:14,400And that is important for me because once people truly understand what they're about99201:07:14,400 --> 01:07:22,280to do, that is the best deterrent of not doing it versus just people telling people no or99301:07:22,280 --> 01:07:23,280yes.99401:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,800And we'll go into the stupid arguments of either side, I'm sure.99501:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,220And why they say you should or shouldn't do it.99601:07:29,220 --> 01:07:31,000But yeah, go ahead.99701:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,880So this is something that I've learned from Dostoevsky, right?99801:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,840And I'm going to plug my podcast here for a second because I have an episode coming99901:07:39,840 --> 01:07:47,320out I think in two weeks time about this particular book that he wrote called Crime and Punishment.100001:07:47,320 --> 01:07:54,620And in this book, somebody committed a, you could call it I guess a justified or moral100101:07:54,620 --> 01:07:56,120murder.100201:07:56,120 --> 01:08:00,520So he was, the character's name is Raskolnikov.100301:08:00,520 --> 01:08:06,080And Raskolnikov thought that he could kind of save this city because there's this old100401:08:06,080 --> 01:08:11,600crone who was just kind of robbing the city blind and she had all the stockpiles of money100501:08:11,600 --> 01:08:16,000and he said that I'm going to become a savior and I'm going to murder that lady, take her100601:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,760money and give it around and I'll be a hero.100701:08:18,760 --> 01:08:24,840And he does it and then as soon as he does it, as soon as he commits the murder, he realizes100801:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,680the heinousness of his actions.100901:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,360Because then he actually kills another person to cover up that murder.101001:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,160So he commits two murders when he's only planning on one.101101:08:34,160 --> 01:08:41,240And he realized in that moment that the ideology that he had been suffering under immediately101201:08:41,240 --> 01:08:45,040vanished when he realized the consequences of his actions.101301:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,880And I think this happens a lot with the abortion argument.101401:08:47,880 --> 01:08:53,000There is a whole lot of rhetoric or what I call sophistry.101501:08:53,000 --> 01:08:57,920For those of you who follow me on Twitter, you see that my headline thing, whatever it101601:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,360might be called, is defeating the sophists.101701:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,920Because sophistry and rhetoric is the same thing.101801:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,800Sophistry is making the worst argument the better through clever language.101901:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,000And that's also in a lot of ways what ideology is.102001:09:10,000 --> 01:09:19,000So there's a lot of these women that are captured by this sophistry that oh, it is a good thing102101:09:19,000 --> 01:09:24,200to have this, to kill your child because it'll make you free.102201:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,960It'll make you without consequence.102301:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,760It'll make you happier because you won't have this responsibility.102401:09:30,760 --> 01:09:35,360But what happens time and time again, and you can say this anecdotal, but I think this102501:09:35,360 --> 01:09:43,520would bear out in science, that these people who do it, they come to it maybe right away,102601:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,160maybe in a couple of years, maybe in 10 years' time.102701:09:47,160 --> 01:09:52,840But they realize all of a sudden the gravity or a lot of times what happens is it's a young102801:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,320girl who wasn't ready to have a baby and got an abortion.102901:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,200And then when she had a baby when she was ready years later and actually was holding103001:09:59,200 --> 01:10:02,840it realized how horrible her actions were in the past.103101:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,960I think that's what happens most times.103201:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,000And they don't get away with it.103301:10:09,000 --> 01:10:14,360You know, where Skolnikov in that book thought that he could get away with it, but you don't.103401:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,360Nobody ever gets away with anything in their lives.103501:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,240You always face the consequences of your actions.103601:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,000And when you make good decisions, there's good consequences.103701:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,540When you make bad decisions, there's bad consequences.103801:10:25,540 --> 01:10:30,640And those always catch up with you at some point or another.103901:10:30,640 --> 01:10:31,880Fair much agree.104001:10:31,880 --> 01:10:37,080So I want to dive into kind of the political argument a little bit.104101:10:37,080 --> 01:10:42,720And I think the importance when people dive into politics, and this is why it kind of104201:10:42,720 --> 01:10:48,760differentiates itself from my moral standing, is when I'm looking into politics and what104301:10:48,760 --> 01:10:54,280I believe the purpose of politics should be is when you're establishing a type of rule,104401:10:54,280 --> 01:11:01,120will precedent a solution of a problem or a discussion of a topic.104501:11:01,120 --> 01:11:08,040This application of said topic is not just for you and the people you care about, but104601:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,320it's for you and the nation as a whole.104701:11:11,320 --> 01:11:18,840You have to over apply what you're discussing to the populace as a whole and see if it applies.104801:11:18,840 --> 01:11:23,760I don't believe my moral standing would apply because I don't think people have the nuance104901:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,920of thinking to differentiate the things that I was talking about.105001:11:27,920 --> 01:11:34,400But what I do believe is you can find fine lines to kind of figure out places where people105101:11:34,400 --> 01:11:40,120all should be able to understand where you lie on either side.105201:11:40,120 --> 01:11:47,280So when it comes down to the abortion, inherently, I don't care if you make it or I don't care105301:11:47,280 --> 01:11:48,960if you do it.105401:11:48,960 --> 01:11:54,240I do think the deterrent that I said earlier would be a great deterrent, but that's just105501:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,000not going to work for people.105601:11:56,000 --> 01:12:04,160So innately, politically, if I were to argue where is my cutoff line, I would say the moment105701:12:04,160 --> 01:12:11,400they develop all of their human features is where I would create my cutoff line.105801:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,840And there's two reasons why I believe a cutoff line is important.105901:12:14,840 --> 01:12:20,760First reason, the cutoff line for the all the human features, all of that is formed.106001:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,960I think that's either 12 or 18 weeks.106101:12:23,960 --> 01:12:29,520I'm not I don't really remember, but it should be around the first trimester, the end of106201:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,240first trimester.106301:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,080So I'm thinking and a first trimester around there.106401:12:34,080 --> 01:12:37,440I may be wrong in terms of the time frame.106501:12:37,440 --> 01:12:40,200But what I'm talking about still applies.106601:12:40,200 --> 01:12:46,040So the reason why I put it there is because I think it's very easy to distinguish it as106701:12:46,040 --> 01:12:50,440human because all the features are there to see it as human.106801:12:50,440 --> 01:12:54,800At that point, the argument is like, oh, it's going to grow into a human.106901:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,400I'm like, the brain is fully developed.107001:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,360So like it is human.107101:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,240It it's just obviously going to keep on developing.107201:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,960I've heard some arguments in terms of structural.107301:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,440The structural formation of the brain is there.107401:13:06,440 --> 01:13:07,980It's just going to keep on developing.107501:13:07,980 --> 01:13:10,120The structural formation of all the body is there.107601:13:10,120 --> 01:13:11,600It's just going to keep on developing.107701:13:11,600 --> 01:13:15,840So it is going to keep on growing and develop.107801:13:15,840 --> 01:13:19,660You don't stop developing until you're like 25 years old anyway.107901:13:19,660 --> 01:13:24,440And then it's human easiest way to identify, which is why I would say that's a good cut108001:13:24,440 --> 01:13:27,880off time, whatever that weak standard is.108101:13:27,880 --> 01:13:31,920The second part of it, the reason why I think it's important is I feel like it's pretty108201:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,940obvious that we need to have a cut off time to when it comes to abortion.108301:13:35,940 --> 01:13:42,320We shouldn't be allowing abortion willy nilly and people to have an abortion whenever they108401:13:42,320 --> 01:13:43,480want.108501:13:43,480 --> 01:13:46,480There's so many reasons why that would be problematic.108601:13:46,480 --> 01:13:48,440One it will start.108701:13:48,440 --> 01:13:52,360It'll start dehumanizing fetuses more and more.108801:13:52,360 --> 01:13:58,520The more normalized it becomes if you keep on having abortions, it will feed into the108901:13:58,520 --> 01:14:03,600promiscuity problem that people are already having in America.109001:14:03,600 --> 01:14:08,400And when it comes down to the population, obviously, if we're not having babies, our109101:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,240population is not growing and that's not good either.109201:14:12,240 --> 01:14:18,920So there are so many reasons why we don't want to just allow anybody at any time to109301:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,440have abortion.109401:14:20,440 --> 01:14:22,320That is ridiculous.109501:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,040And that's nonsensical.109601:14:24,040 --> 01:14:28,560So yeah, those are my two reasons why politically we should have it.109701:14:28,560 --> 01:14:34,200And that is my cut off time.109801:14:34,200 --> 01:14:38,400So I'm you said life begins at conception, though, right?109901:14:38,400 --> 01:14:39,400I did.110001:14:39,400 --> 01:14:40,400Yes.110101:14:40,400 --> 01:14:41,400I think that's when the spark so happens.110201:14:41,400 --> 01:14:42,920That's when everything starts.110301:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,400What's the what's what's the spark?110401:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,400Spark is everything starts.110501:14:49,400 --> 01:14:53,160The eggs, everything comes together and it's going to grow.110601:14:53,160 --> 01:14:57,920How I think the best analogy because people try to use the stupid analogy of like, oh,110701:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,160you put a cake in the oven and you're not going to call it a cake.110801:15:01,160 --> 01:15:02,660I mean, that's such a stupid analogy.110901:15:02,660 --> 01:15:07,360The better analogy is you put a seed in the ground.111001:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,660And you water it.111101:15:09,660 --> 01:15:15,480The moment you water it and all the nutrients is going to seed at that point.111201:15:15,480 --> 01:15:16,480With you don't touch it.111301:15:16,480 --> 01:15:19,280Is it a grow and grow and grow?111401:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,760It's it's it's in the process of being a plant.111501:15:22,760 --> 01:15:23,760It is a plant.111601:15:23,760 --> 01:15:24,760It's starting.111701:15:24,760 --> 01:15:29,480And it's very, I'm very interested in the fact that you just use that analogy, right?111801:15:29,480 --> 01:15:31,920Because that's actually one of the things that I was going to say.111901:15:31,920 --> 01:15:32,920Right.112001:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,880Aristotle, I'm about to I said I was going to get super philosophical, but here I go.112101:15:36,880 --> 01:15:43,160Aristotle talks about the concept of like an apple and, you know, there's the all these112201:15:43,160 --> 01:15:46,200different stages and I don't want to get too into it.112301:15:46,200 --> 01:15:52,920But one of the things he made an argument that an apple tree is one of the most important.112401:15:52,920 --> 01:15:57,360And an apple tree is more of an apple than is an apple in some ways.112501:15:57,360 --> 01:16:02,400And I'm sure there's people who probably get upset with me that I misquoted that or whatever.112601:16:02,400 --> 01:16:08,080And the reason it is because it has the capabilities of producing more apples.112701:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,120And that's the same thing with the seed.112801:16:10,120 --> 01:16:11,120Right.112901:16:11,120 --> 01:16:16,920The seed is so important because if you don't touch it, it then has the capability to produce113001:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,560more seeds.113101:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,920And that's what that's kind of like the commandment that God gave us before.113201:16:21,920 --> 01:16:22,920Multiply.113301:16:22,920 --> 01:16:26,680This is one of the problems that I have with, you know, we talked about the over the counter113401:16:26,680 --> 01:16:28,440abortion pills.113501:16:28,440 --> 01:16:31,120I think there's a couple problems with that.113601:16:31,120 --> 01:16:40,100One, we're already having an early stages of a sterility crisis in America because of113701:16:40,100 --> 01:16:41,280a lot of these things.113801:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,320And there's not a whole lot.113901:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,660There's some just broaching field of science.114001:16:45,660 --> 01:16:48,240So I don't want anybody to come at me.114101:16:48,240 --> 01:16:50,280But that's something that's beginning to happen.114201:16:50,280 --> 01:16:55,160I know a whole handful of people who are in the prime stages of life who are having some114301:16:55,160 --> 01:17:02,400sterility issues right now from from a lot of these what do you call them contraceptive114401:17:02,400 --> 01:17:03,400pills.114501:17:03,400 --> 01:17:08,300I totally lost the word for what they're actually called.114601:17:08,300 --> 01:17:11,640But I think this so that's one aspect of this.114701:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,000The other aspect is birth control.114801:17:15,000 --> 01:17:16,000Birth control.114901:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,000Yes.115001:17:17,000 --> 01:17:18,160Birth control pills.115101:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,760There's some just just kind of bubbling at the surface.115201:17:21,760 --> 01:17:27,080A lot of people will call that far right extremist ideologies.115301:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,340But that does seem to be happening.115401:17:29,340 --> 01:17:37,560On the other end, like you brought up, it will certainly certainly increase the lewd115501:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,560and lasciviousness of young people to a greater extent.115601:17:41,560 --> 01:17:45,880All of this very hookup culture sort of thing, I think, will certainly be increased by those115701:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,680abortion pills.115801:17:48,680 --> 01:17:49,960And I don't think that's good.115901:17:49,960 --> 01:17:57,440I think there's got to be some physiological issues that we can't even foresee right now116001:17:57,440 --> 01:18:02,340of people who are constantly taking over the counter abortion pills.116101:18:02,340 --> 01:18:06,400Like the destruction that has to happen to your body if you keep taking those has to116201:18:06,400 --> 01:18:07,400be astronomical.116301:18:07,400 --> 01:18:16,720Yeah, I mean, I when it comes to the abortion pill necessarily, that one's a lot more of116401:18:16,720 --> 01:18:22,520an interesting discussion because like you said, the purpose of these birth control pills116501:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,640or the abortion pill.116601:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,680Well, I'm guessing the O pill.116701:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,440Is it a preventative measure?116801:18:30,440 --> 01:18:34,360I didn't look into what it does or I don't know a whole lot.116901:18:34,360 --> 01:18:39,960I'm assuming it's probably along the lines of like a plan B sort of thing.117001:18:39,960 --> 01:18:47,600Yes, I'm assuming you take it and it kind of prevents pregnancy versus it kills pregnancy.117101:18:47,600 --> 01:18:48,600That's what I'm assuming.117201:18:48,600 --> 01:18:49,600It would.117301:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,520Well, I'm assuming that it's a little bit different than that because then it's just117401:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,480another form of birth control.117501:18:54,480 --> 01:18:58,040But they're calling it an abortion pill.117601:18:58,040 --> 01:19:03,800So I'm assuming you can possibly probably excuse me, take it right after you find out117701:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,240that you're pregnant.117801:19:05,240 --> 01:19:09,560And so it's going to be one of the sort of pills that you get for that.117901:19:09,560 --> 01:19:10,560But just over the counter.118001:19:10,560 --> 01:19:11,560I'm going to otherwise.118101:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,320Otherwise, they would just call it a birth control.118201:19:14,320 --> 01:19:16,000Yeah, you're right about that.118301:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,480I think it might be pregnant.118401:19:18,480 --> 01:19:22,080I think more than likely it's something you take after sex.118501:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,200Just period.118601:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,640Just in case.118701:19:25,640 --> 01:19:26,640I don't know.118801:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,920I don't know the potency of it.118901:19:28,920 --> 01:19:35,880And I don't know when I'm assuming the effectiveness can only be done in terms of when it's in119001:19:35,880 --> 01:19:41,200its very, very premature phases, when the cells are too weak to withstand the chemicals119101:19:41,200 --> 01:19:42,480in the pill.119201:19:42,480 --> 01:19:46,920And I'm assuming the pills are not strong enough to the point where it won't kill a119301:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,240more matured fetus.119401:19:49,240 --> 01:19:54,880So I think the probable best way and I'm not a scientist and not even look into what the119501:19:54,880 --> 01:19:56,680pill inherently does.119601:19:56,680 --> 01:20:00,840So my assumption is you would take it after you have sex without a condom to make sure119701:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,280you don't get pregnant.119801:20:02,280 --> 01:20:07,960But it's more than possible that it does have effects that's lasting in the later weeks.119901:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,800I just wouldn't be able to tell you as of right now.120001:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,280So that's an interesting discussion.120101:20:13,280 --> 01:20:17,360I mean, I've always had a kind of wariness in terms of drugs in general.120201:20:17,360 --> 01:20:21,160And this is just another addition to that because they can do so many things to your120301:20:21,160 --> 01:20:22,160body.120401:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,320I don't really take drugs for the most part.120501:20:24,320 --> 01:20:28,720I mean, I enjoy drinking alcohol when I'm with friends, but I don't drink it daily.120601:20:28,720 --> 01:20:30,000I don't drink it on my meantime.120701:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,480I don't drink it by myself.120801:20:31,480 --> 01:20:33,560I enjoy smoking weed with them friends.120901:20:33,560 --> 01:20:34,560I don't look for it.121001:20:34,560 --> 01:20:35,560I don't smoke it by myself.121101:20:35,560 --> 01:20:36,560I don't smoke cigs.121201:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,880I don't really take any other drugs.121301:20:39,880 --> 01:20:44,800And it's not like I have this vehemence, you know, scare.121401:20:44,800 --> 01:20:51,440It's just I don't see a use of taking all this medication or all these different substances,121501:20:51,440 --> 01:20:53,520which can be unhealthy for your body.121601:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,100And for people who have an addictive personality can get you addicted.121701:20:57,100 --> 01:21:02,320So I mean, I'm under the camp, of course, that more than likely when you take too much121801:21:02,320 --> 01:21:08,760of anything, it'll be problematic, especially when it's a kind of human orchestrated substance,121901:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,820like all these drugs are in these pharmaceutical pharmacies, of course.122001:21:12,820 --> 01:21:17,360So that's more of I believe a too much of anything type of situation.122101:21:17,360 --> 01:21:23,260But like you said, in a circumstance where, you know, people don't see the fetus as human,122201:21:23,260 --> 01:21:27,240people who think, you know, can have an abortion anytime.122301:21:27,240 --> 01:21:31,320Those people are the perfect examples of the people who take it too many times and permanently122401:21:31,320 --> 01:21:32,920affect your body.122501:21:32,920 --> 01:21:37,440So that is the the dangerous part of these kind of scenarios, especially when it comes122601:21:37,440 --> 01:21:43,920to these drugs, is that the action that they're committing to kind of cause them from to do122701:21:43,920 --> 01:21:49,840this is sex and sex is one of the more probably the most pleasurable thing you can do as a122801:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,240human being period.122901:21:52,240 --> 01:21:56,640And if you can keep on doing it without any consequence, then people will take the easy123001:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,640way out without thinking of the long term effects.123101:21:59,640 --> 01:22:04,160And we know for a fact that the people who actually have the most sex in the first place123201:22:04,160 --> 01:22:08,460are people in the more poor and impoverished communities.123301:22:08,460 --> 01:22:13,160They really don't have anything better to do there around more people, the the values123401:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,040that they have are much lower.123501:22:15,040 --> 01:22:16,260So they have a lot of sex.123601:22:16,260 --> 01:22:21,360So these people who already having problems and don't want to pay for more kids are going123701:22:21,360 --> 01:22:28,080to look at this as the kind of, you know, a blessing in disguise to make sure that they123801:22:28,080 --> 01:22:29,680don't get pregnant.123901:22:29,680 --> 01:22:34,880So that kind of leads into a different conversation because we kind of went over the moral systems.124001:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,240We kind of went over the political system.124101:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,960I'm sure yours is a man contraception.124201:22:40,960 --> 01:22:47,840OK, before we dive into the economic circumstance of abortion, right, I would have to ask you124301:22:47,840 --> 01:22:51,680because people know where my stance is regarding all these issues.124401:22:51,680 --> 01:22:56,200It's I'm guessing the same thing is at 18 weeks.124501:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,160People can fact check me if I'm wrong, but you know what I'm talking about when the brain124601:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,460is formed, when the body is formed, no more abortions.124701:23:02,460 --> 01:23:10,480So there with that said, there is that special exception that people like to use.124801:23:10,480 --> 01:23:13,920And I'll answer it first, of course, and then you can answer it as well.124901:23:13,920 --> 01:23:19,040The special exceptions that even conservatives like to adhere to is circumstances regarding125001:23:19,040 --> 01:23:23,500rape and circumstances regarding incest.125101:23:23,500 --> 01:23:29,360So in those situations, when it's after the allotted period of, I believe, after the first125201:23:29,360 --> 01:23:36,180trimester, which would I'm sure I'm not going to guess.125301:23:36,180 --> 01:23:38,120You know what I'm talking about.125401:23:38,120 --> 01:23:43,760If it were in regards to rape and incest, it's such an interesting conversation because125501:23:43,760 --> 01:23:49,160inherently, obviously, you don't as a mother, you don't want to have the baby.125601:23:49,160 --> 01:23:55,280But morally, I would say for sure you can get rid of it because there are so many there's125701:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,900so many issues regarding that situation.125801:23:57,900 --> 01:24:06,920And more than likely, my my imagination is if the trauma is severe enough, they would125901:24:06,920 --> 01:24:11,760apply the trauma of the attacker to the baby immediately.126001:24:11,760 --> 01:24:17,360Now there are examples where the mother still loves the baby despite the trauma.126101:24:17,360 --> 01:24:22,600But you know, I'm not willing to take that gamble in considering the circumstance in126201:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,860the situation in general.126301:24:24,860 --> 01:24:28,680So I'd say it's probably better to kind of get rid of it.126401:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,480But obviously, foster care or orphanage is a solution.126501:24:32,480 --> 01:24:36,320But I don't really trust those institutions that much either.126601:24:36,320 --> 01:24:42,960So with that said, when it comes to politically, I would say in those circumstances of a person126701:24:42,960 --> 01:24:51,920gets raped, I would especially if she's really young, I would say I'm OK with that.126801:24:51,920 --> 01:24:56,720In terms of incest, I don't think that's a valid enough reason.126901:24:56,720 --> 01:24:58,120You did it.127001:24:58,120 --> 01:25:01,800Even if you're stupid enough to do with your your sister or your brother.127101:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,680I'm a Emma.127201:25:04,680 --> 01:25:09,400But that that goes into the question of eugenics and like, should we want more babies that127301:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,480are potentially mentally incapable?127401:25:12,480 --> 01:25:14,000That's a different conversation.127501:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,480But rape for sure.127601:25:15,480 --> 01:25:18,980But let me hear what you got to say, Jonathan.127701:25:18,980 --> 01:25:25,880Rape and incest, how you feel about those as conditions of having a abortion?127801:25:25,880 --> 01:25:32,480Inherently, I don't like set policy based on such a small fraction of the individuals127901:25:32,480 --> 01:25:39,160who are getting abortions, the vast, vast majority of them are not getting who are who are getting128001:25:39,160 --> 01:25:43,160abortions are not the ones who were raped incest.128101:25:43,160 --> 01:25:48,240I think is an interesting thing because a lot of people just can't come on that real128201:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,740quick and they continue.128301:25:50,740 --> 01:25:55,480I don't like setting policy as well on exceptions, but I do think you should have conditions128401:25:55,480 --> 01:25:56,480for exceptions.128501:25:56,480 --> 01:25:57,480Sure.128601:25:57,480 --> 01:25:58,480OK.128701:25:58,480 --> 01:26:04,840So incest, I think, is an interesting thing because I feel like the majority of incest128801:26:04,840 --> 01:26:09,680cases are probably just also great.128901:26:09,680 --> 01:26:13,680Maybe there are those people who really just like, man, your sister looked at you wrong129001:26:13,680 --> 01:26:14,680the one day.129101:26:14,680 --> 01:26:15,680Your brother looked at you wrong the one day.129201:26:15,680 --> 01:26:18,120And I mean, Alabama, that's no.129301:26:18,120 --> 01:26:19,120I'll bet.129401:26:19,120 --> 01:26:20,120Yeah.129501:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,080You know, but I feel like that's probably also just rape.129601:26:23,080 --> 01:26:26,840But I feel like that's a euphemistic term that they just combine together.129701:26:26,840 --> 01:26:32,280Rape and incest to try to make the category seem like it's bigger than it is.129801:26:32,280 --> 01:26:37,200And I could be wrong, but I think that's just because you never hear whenever people are129901:26:37,200 --> 01:26:41,760making the arguments for abortions, they never say because of rape or because of incest.130001:26:41,760 --> 01:26:43,680It's rape and incest.130101:26:43,680 --> 01:26:48,240Even though I feel like most cases of incest, they are probably rape.130201:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,880So it's really just rape.130301:26:50,880 --> 01:26:51,880Could be wrong.130401:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,880That's how I look at that sort of thing, though.130501:26:54,880 --> 01:27:03,040Regardless of that, I still, this is probably very unpopular, but I don't like to play God.130601:27:03,040 --> 01:27:04,560I don't like to play God.130701:27:04,560 --> 01:27:11,160And having an abortion in my perspective, in my view, is a way of playing God.130801:27:11,160 --> 01:27:14,780And I say this because I believe in a loving God.130901:27:14,780 --> 01:27:19,720And I believe in his promise that he works out all things for the good of those who diligently131001:27:19,720 --> 01:27:23,000seek after him and are called in according to his purpose.131101:27:23,000 --> 01:27:27,440And many individuals will be much more cynical than I am.131201:27:27,440 --> 01:27:32,840And maybe I'm a fatally optimistic, I'm one of the least optimistic persons that I know131301:27:32,840 --> 01:27:37,760personally, so I don't particularly think that.131401:27:37,760 --> 01:27:43,960But saying that is very unpopular because people, even something that you just said,131501:27:43,960 --> 01:27:51,440Rachel, I don't trust the foster care system, the adoption system.131601:27:51,440 --> 01:27:54,240I think adoption and foster care can be separated.131701:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,280I think you can give the baby up for adoption.131801:27:57,280 --> 01:28:03,020There's plenty of people, I know several people that are on waiting lists to get adoptions,131901:28:03,020 --> 01:28:08,240but our adoption system sucks because they charge you like $60,000 plus to just adopt132001:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,280the baby.132101:28:10,280 --> 01:28:16,960And I think when we have a system that preserves the woman's life, or preserves the baby's132201:28:16,960 --> 01:28:26,040life rather, that should be the primary goal is ensuring that that baby survives and is132301:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,640given into a loving home.132401:28:28,640 --> 01:28:35,600I think there is one difference, there's one exception that is I think a very fine line,132501:28:35,600 --> 01:28:44,080but it is when the woman's life is going to be lost if this baby is carried to term.132601:28:44,080 --> 01:28:50,600That's when I have a very big moral quandary about what do we do in that instance.132701:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,400I haven't figured that out for myself yet.132801:28:53,400 --> 01:29:00,800I think in that case, the woman's life is probably the thing that we should attempt132901:29:00,800 --> 01:29:04,120to preserve.133001:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,600But I'm not sure about that.133101:29:06,600 --> 01:29:14,160When it comes to just abortions in general, I think they should always, always be shied133201:29:14,160 --> 01:29:15,560away from.133301:29:15,560 --> 01:29:16,840Always.133401:29:16,840 --> 01:29:21,800In every instance, in every case, it should, I just don't, it's not right.133501:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,200It's a sin in my opinion.133601:29:23,200 --> 01:29:26,960It doesn't mean that God can't rectify that.133701:29:26,960 --> 01:29:32,640It doesn't mean that that can't be recovered from, but I do not think it is correct to133801:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,640kill a child.133901:29:35,640 --> 01:29:40,800I'm going to kind of go back in my incest point.134001:29:40,800 --> 01:29:45,240I'm going to say I'm okay with incest, getting rid of that.134101:29:45,240 --> 01:29:48,440We don't need more incest babies.134201:29:48,440 --> 01:29:49,440I'm sorry.134301:29:49,440 --> 01:29:51,400We don't need more.134401:29:51,400 --> 01:29:58,460But I'm going to have to push you on a particular point because this is important because this134501:29:58,460 --> 01:30:04,200is something, and I agree, it's a very rare exception, but it is a circumstance that does134601:30:04,200 --> 01:30:05,200happen.134701:30:05,200 --> 01:30:12,080I've given an example of it happening recently-ish when Roe v. Wade got overturned.134801:30:12,080 --> 01:30:17,480And it's the situation where there's a young underage, under puberty girl.134901:30:17,480 --> 01:30:20,200I know exactly what story you're talking about.135001:30:20,200 --> 01:30:27,200And they spent a long time trying to find out who that woman was and she did not exist.135101:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,000Fair enough.135201:30:29,000 --> 01:30:33,280Right after Roe v. Wade, because I looked into that and nobody could find out who that135301:30:33,280 --> 01:30:34,280person was.135401:30:34,280 --> 01:30:37,200It was like a young 13 year old girl who was raped.135501:30:37,200 --> 01:30:40,160And she was forced to carry the baby to term.135601:30:40,160 --> 01:30:44,760A bunch of investigative reporters tried to find out who that girl was and nobody could135701:30:44,760 --> 01:30:46,040find out who it was.135801:30:46,040 --> 01:30:47,400Hey, that's fine.135901:30:47,400 --> 01:30:52,040I'm not going to talk too much about that story, but the circumstances is what's important136001:30:52,040 --> 01:30:57,020in this search situation because it can happen.136101:30:57,020 --> 01:31:03,200And I'm sure it has happened where an underage girl was raped and got pregnant.136201:31:03,200 --> 01:31:10,100So in the situation where this underage girl was raped and got pregnant and she wanted136301:31:10,100 --> 01:31:14,320to get an abortion, I'm not talking about your moral standard.136401:31:14,320 --> 01:31:22,120I'm talking about policy wise, policy wise, which I think is different for me anyway.136501:31:22,120 --> 01:31:27,480Would you allow her to get an abortion or would you not allow her to get an abortion?136601:31:27,480 --> 01:31:32,040And the reason why I'm portion you, not because I'm trying to do anything crazy, because these136701:31:32,040 --> 01:31:36,520are questions, especially in an abortion debate that will be asked.136801:31:36,520 --> 01:31:42,080And these are the tough ones that you have to either stay in ground or be able to answer.136901:31:42,080 --> 01:31:47,960Yeah, no, I agree that it's important to push back on these sorts of things.137001:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,080I don't know that I would.137101:31:50,080 --> 01:31:56,660I don't know that I would allow that because two right or two wrongs don't make a right.137201:31:56,660 --> 01:31:59,720So if she was raped, that's obviously horrible.137301:31:59,720 --> 01:32:06,200And I think that if you rape a child and people will always say, well, how is this different?137401:32:06,200 --> 01:32:12,760I think that that man who raped that child should plausibly be executed.137501:32:12,760 --> 01:32:19,280And people say, how is that congruent, believing in the death penalty, how is that congruent137601:32:19,280 --> 01:32:24,360with abortion, like those things, like how is that different?137701:32:24,360 --> 01:32:25,520How do you separate that?137801:32:25,520 --> 01:32:32,640Well, one, because somebody, the person who is being executed has infracted upon the societal137901:32:32,640 --> 01:32:37,080standards that we have agreed as a human species.138001:32:37,080 --> 01:32:41,840And if he decided to act like a barbarian and act like a wild animal, then he should138101:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,960be treated like a wild animal.138201:32:43,960 --> 01:32:48,960And the Bible has very many instances of the death penalty being put in.138301:32:48,960 --> 01:32:53,760It is not something that God frowns upon when you break his commandments.138401:32:53,760 --> 01:33:00,280I believe that if there is opportunity for him to repent before God, he can repent before138501:33:00,280 --> 01:33:01,480God and God can save him.138601:33:01,480 --> 01:33:06,840But that does not forfeit your physical consequences on earth.138701:33:06,840 --> 01:33:09,800The child made no infractions.138801:33:09,800 --> 01:33:16,100The child that is now born inside of that woman has not committed any sin, has not violated138901:33:16,100 --> 01:33:17,320any human standards.139001:33:17,320 --> 01:33:20,600In fact, is doing exactly what that should be doing.139101:33:20,600 --> 01:33:27,000It is growing and hopefully it can live a flourishing life and God can turn that bad139201:33:27,000 --> 01:33:31,360situation for the good of both parties involved.139301:33:31,360 --> 01:33:36,820And so I do not like to play God and say, oh no, because right when you are in my shoes,139401:33:36,820 --> 01:33:41,480when you live the experiences that I have lived, I do not want to do the my lived experience139501:33:41,480 --> 01:33:42,480thing.139601:33:42,480 --> 01:33:46,800But when you see the world perspective that I see, I happen to very adamantly believe139701:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,680that God is real.139801:33:49,680 --> 01:33:51,080I do not like to play God.139901:33:51,080 --> 01:33:59,440I do not like to buffer my thing by saying, oh God probably will not, when usually he140001:33:59,440 --> 01:34:00,440does.140101:34:00,440 --> 01:34:01,440In fact, that is one of the promises.140201:34:01,440 --> 01:34:07,200I cannot separate the reality of God from the way that I perceive things politically,140301:34:07,200 --> 01:34:08,200morally, philosophically.140401:34:08,200 --> 01:34:11,680It is something that permeates every aspect of my life.140501:34:11,680 --> 01:34:18,560It is something that is an application that I apply wholly to all situations.140601:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,200And a lot of people disagree with that perspective.140701:34:21,200 --> 01:34:24,520Even a lot of Christians do not even believe in that way.140801:34:24,520 --> 01:34:29,000They separate their morals and their beliefs at church from what should happen in policy.140901:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,200I do not make that distinguishing.141001:34:31,200 --> 01:34:35,680One of the reasons I do not is because America was founded on Christian principles and our141101:34:35,680 --> 01:34:41,120government, this is one of the things that our founding fathers said, is that our government141201:34:41,120 --> 01:34:45,840is set up, a government's job is to serve its people and ensure the flourishing of a141301:34:45,840 --> 01:34:51,080society and you do not get a flourishing society when the young are being killed, when the141401:34:51,080 --> 01:34:53,200babies are not allowed to be born.141501:34:53,200 --> 01:34:58,200Because then if we keep killing all of our offspring, then there is not going to be anybody141601:34:58,200 --> 01:35:02,360to keep flourishing because we are all going to be gone.141701:35:02,360 --> 01:35:09,440Regardless, if it is a 13 year old girl, I do not want to demean the trauma that must141801:35:09,440 --> 01:35:10,800happen.141901:35:10,800 --> 01:35:21,800But I would rather make sure that that young woman is given what she needs to, I do not142001:35:21,800 --> 01:35:25,540want to say come to terms because it sounds so animal and brutal, but the help that she142101:35:25,540 --> 01:35:29,120needs psychologically and emotionally.142201:35:29,120 --> 01:35:33,600I think she should start going to church obviously because that is what will help with that.142301:35:33,600 --> 01:35:41,200But killing the baby does not make the situation better.142401:35:41,200 --> 01:35:47,760This is something that Socrates says, it is better to have a moral sin committed against142501:35:47,760 --> 01:35:51,380you than to commit a moral sin.142601:35:51,380 --> 01:35:57,680One thing is something done to me physically, the other is something that I have done that142701:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,520encroaches and kills a part of my soul.142801:36:00,520 --> 01:36:03,960This is one of the things he talks about very often.142901:36:03,960 --> 01:36:08,280It is better to have something done to you than to do something to somebody else.143001:36:08,280 --> 01:36:13,040So I think that more damage will be done if she is raped and then kills the baby than143101:36:13,040 --> 01:36:16,760if she is raped and then gives birth to the baby.143201:36:16,760 --> 01:36:22,100If she keeps the baby in that aspect or gives up her adoption is a different story.143301:36:22,100 --> 01:36:25,040But that is what I believe about that.143401:36:25,040 --> 01:36:34,240So I appreciate you kind of keeping it consistent because a lot of these times, especially once143501:36:34,240 --> 01:36:40,400you truly believe that this is killing a baby, it only makes sense for you to kind of go143601:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,520down this line of reasoning.143701:36:43,520 --> 01:36:49,060So I guess the follow up question for this for you would be how would you handle the143801:36:49,060 --> 01:36:50,560next step?143901:36:50,560 --> 01:36:56,600Would the expectation be that a 13 year old now has to raise a baby that wasn't something144001:36:56,600 --> 01:36:58,280she planned?144101:36:58,280 --> 01:37:03,240Or should the baby go into the foster care system and the dosim system that we don't144201:37:03,240 --> 01:37:04,240trust?144301:37:04,240 --> 01:37:09,480What do you think would be more conducive to the baby living that new life that you're144401:37:09,480 --> 01:37:11,760talking about?144501:37:11,760 --> 01:37:17,960So I think if the mother is willing to, she should be allowed to keep the baby.144601:37:17,960 --> 01:37:25,800If she doesn't want to, I would try to keep the baby away from the foster care system.144701:37:25,800 --> 01:37:34,160I think the government does a very bad job with the regulation of adoption.144801:37:34,160 --> 01:37:39,800Because I had family members that tried to adopt, friends that tried to adopt, but they144901:37:39,800 --> 01:37:45,280have such a hard time adopting American children that what they end up doing is going over145001:37:45,280 --> 01:37:51,040to places like Africa and adopting kids from there because it's so much easier.145101:37:51,040 --> 01:37:55,440Adoption is not very easy in our society today.145201:37:55,440 --> 01:38:00,100I can speculate as to why that is, I'm not going to do that though.145301:38:00,100 --> 01:38:07,240But I think we should make concerted efforts to make adoption more possible for people.145401:38:07,240 --> 01:38:12,340I also think that those who are going to adopt should be very thoroughly vetted.145501:38:12,340 --> 01:38:16,280Because this is one of the problems with the foster care system, right?145601:38:16,280 --> 01:38:21,320If you sign up with the foster care system, if you pass the stuff, they really don't regulate145701:38:21,320 --> 01:38:26,800it a whole lot and so people can get stuck in very bad situations.145801:38:26,800 --> 01:38:33,640The other solution that I would say that will also be unpopular because of some historical145901:38:33,640 --> 01:38:40,840possible misconceptions but also real stories is making churches a refuge for these kinds146001:38:40,840 --> 01:38:47,120of broken down people from the girls who are trying to put their kids up for adoption.146101:38:47,120 --> 01:38:52,080I think the church has an obligation to the widow and the orphan.146201:38:52,080 --> 01:38:54,960This is something that Jesus also told us to do.146301:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,800We are as the body of the church.146401:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,400The church can mean more than one thing.146501:39:00,400 --> 01:39:06,280It can mean the building, but also people who go in my circles of belief believe that146601:39:06,280 --> 01:39:09,420the church is the people.146701:39:09,420 --> 01:39:12,000The fellow Christians are the church.146801:39:12,000 --> 01:39:17,680Christians should do a much better job about attempting and desiring to adopt children146901:39:17,680 --> 01:39:21,600because we have an obligation to the widow and the orphan.147001:39:21,600 --> 01:39:23,640I think that those are the two things.147101:39:23,640 --> 01:39:31,400We should make adoption more readily accessible than it is and we should also as the church,147201:39:31,400 --> 01:39:40,240they should also be a...the church is an institution that should be much easier to get support147301:39:40,240 --> 01:39:43,280from and fall into when you're in need.147401:39:43,280 --> 01:39:49,040People will find that unpopular because they associate Christian with some pretty negative147501:39:49,040 --> 01:39:56,520things, but I just am speaking as kind of a religious institute, an institution of a147601:39:56,520 --> 01:40:00,320political institution because politics just means public.147701:40:00,320 --> 01:40:05,280The church is supposed to be a public institution, so it should be something that should be able147801:40:05,280 --> 01:40:08,160to be relied upon by the public.147901:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,160Fair enough.148001:40:10,160 --> 01:40:12,660Fair enough.148101:40:12,660 --> 01:40:17,040The last thing that I want to go over in terms of this abortion discussion, because when148201:40:17,040 --> 01:40:22,640it comes to the adoption of foster care, scenario, circumstance, that is, I've said it plenty148301:40:22,640 --> 01:40:29,840of times, is the whole other discussion, because I do think there's a valid criticism, very148401:40:29,840 --> 01:40:33,400valid criticism for the adoption system, foster care.148501:40:33,400 --> 01:40:40,200There's a lot of hysteria and truthful notions of abuse and inefficiencies behind both systems.148601:40:40,200 --> 01:40:45,680I've actually had someone come on my podcast that was adopted and she talked about her148701:40:45,680 --> 01:40:47,120experience a little bit.148801:40:47,120 --> 01:40:54,200So there's a scare when it comes to the system to the point where it's arguably, arguably148901:40:54,200 --> 01:41:01,680the most untrustworthy or untrusted institution in America by the public.149001:41:01,680 --> 01:41:08,080I would guess if you did a survey on which system do you like least without no media149101:41:08,080 --> 01:41:14,840bias with the police or the FBI or whatever from the right and the left, I would assume149201:41:14,840 --> 01:41:17,880the adoption of foster care system would be number one.149301:41:17,880 --> 01:41:19,880I would assume so.149401:41:19,880 --> 01:41:25,000But with that said, I want to dive into one more aspect, one final aspect in regards to149501:41:25,000 --> 01:41:26,000the abortion discussion.149601:41:26,000 --> 01:41:31,440I'm not going to dive into my body, my choice, because I think that's a stupid argument and149701:41:31,440 --> 01:41:34,760I've never heard a good argument for that discussion.149801:41:34,760 --> 01:41:38,160If somebody wants to have that discussion, I'm sure you're going to comment in whatever149901:41:38,160 --> 01:41:42,240clips that I post out and I'm not going to engage with the conversation.150001:41:42,240 --> 01:41:48,280So with that said, the more interesting conversation I'm willing to discuss is regarding the economic150101:41:48,280 --> 01:41:49,280one.150201:41:49,280 --> 01:41:51,680I was touching upon it a little bit earlier.150301:41:51,680 --> 01:41:58,440So the economic discussion is in reference to most of these scenarios that we're going150401:41:58,440 --> 01:42:03,760to discuss when it comes down to abortion are going to be people that are low income150501:42:03,760 --> 01:42:07,800are going to be people who are probably more impoverished, more than likely it's going150601:42:07,800 --> 01:42:13,300to be a minority, of course, and maybe even a very, very young individual.150701:42:13,300 --> 01:42:17,280So these are going to be situations where there's not going to be a lot of money, a150801:42:17,280 --> 01:42:23,720lot of accessible funds to maybe even start a family, continue a family, begin a family.150901:42:23,720 --> 01:42:29,880So the discussion behind the legitimacy abortion is not necessarily I'm boarding because I'm151001:42:29,880 --> 01:42:36,760poor, but it's in regards to the current climate of society.151101:42:36,760 --> 01:42:42,200And you can argue and Jonathan may argue that abortion can help with this.151201:42:42,200 --> 01:42:47,040But the current climate of society when it comes down to these communities is that there's151301:42:47,040 --> 01:42:53,400a lot of sex, there's a lot of promiscuity, there's a lot of drugs, lewdness, it's just151401:42:53,400 --> 01:42:56,960not in a kind of very cohesive environment.151501:42:56,960 --> 01:43:02,960And many of these communities, we have situations where there's absentee fathers that we've151601:43:02,960 --> 01:43:08,400talked about time and time and time again, we have single mothers, we have broken homes,151701:43:08,400 --> 01:43:14,320we have kids growing mental illnesses or kids growing very bad behaviors turning into some151801:43:14,320 --> 01:43:18,200of the worst people because of these situations.151901:43:18,200 --> 01:43:25,280So the the way promiscuity is going to go down is more of a culture shift.152001:43:25,280 --> 01:43:32,320So I can't really see a situation where you just say abortion is banned and it's going152101:43:32,320 --> 01:43:33,640to fix this scenario.152201:43:33,640 --> 01:43:37,440It may and we can potentially talk about that.152301:43:37,440 --> 01:43:47,560But the reason why I bring this up is because in a situation where the abortion is completely152401:43:47,560 --> 01:43:52,560illegal, because in my in my scenario, abortion is still legal.152501:43:52,560 --> 01:43:58,360I think it should be to an extent that I already said.152601:43:58,360 --> 01:44:02,720But this is more of a question for Jonathan, because this is another thing you would kind152701:44:02,720 --> 01:44:05,840of run into, of course.152801:44:05,840 --> 01:44:12,120The question would be for you is if you're making it completely illegal and the promiscuity152901:44:12,120 --> 01:44:16,240does not go down, the lewdness that we're discussing does not go down.153001:44:16,240 --> 01:44:20,360Wouldn't that just add on to the problems that currently exist in terms of these impoverished153101:44:20,360 --> 01:44:24,640communities and the culture creating more broken homes, creating more deadbeats?153201:44:24,640 --> 01:44:29,200Wouldn't that make things worse?153301:44:29,200 --> 01:44:31,740So no, I don't think it would.153401:44:31,740 --> 01:44:33,600And here's why.153501:44:33,600 --> 01:44:37,600So Thomas Sowell, once again, actually points this out.153601:44:37,600 --> 01:44:48,360A lot of the stereotypical minority behavior that we see, you know, the broken homes, the153701:44:48,360 --> 01:44:55,440absentee fathers, it first began around the late 50s, early 60s.153801:44:55,440 --> 01:45:05,920And what started happening around the 50s and 60s was Planned Parenthood being instituted153901:45:05,920 --> 01:45:11,960in minority neighborhoods and the government subsidizing single mothers.154001:45:11,960 --> 01:45:17,680And so what seems to have happened is when they started subsidizing single mothers and154101:45:17,680 --> 01:45:19,200really churning out.154201:45:19,200 --> 01:45:27,120I mean, there was a time when Planned Parenthood would have representatives inside of minority154301:45:27,120 --> 01:45:32,000schools and inner city schools and they would hand pamphlets out to young women saying,154401:45:32,000 --> 01:45:35,620hey, if you get pregnant, don't worry, you can just kill the baby.154501:45:35,620 --> 01:45:42,120And so then what happened is the woman had no incentive to keep the man around because154601:45:42,120 --> 01:45:46,080they would get more money if the man wasn't around because the government would start154701:45:46,080 --> 01:45:47,080paying them.154801:45:47,080 --> 01:45:50,200But they decided they didn't want the kid, they could just go down to the abortion clinic154901:45:50,200 --> 01:45:53,680and kick it out.155001:45:53,680 --> 01:46:01,480And so removing those options would actually help them because that would give incentives155101:46:01,480 --> 01:46:05,780to both the man to stay with the woman and the woman to stay with the man.155201:46:05,780 --> 01:46:11,240And so I think that would actually begin to build family structure because they would155301:46:11,240 --> 01:46:14,840once again need each other.155401:46:14,840 --> 01:46:20,460So there would be hopefully, there could become once again a wanting of each other.155501:46:20,460 --> 01:46:24,840And I think inherently there is, but we have this notion now that there's a soulmate out155601:46:24,840 --> 01:46:25,840there for everyone.155701:46:25,840 --> 01:46:29,840And so, and you can only find that soulmate by sleeping with as many girls as you can.155801:46:29,840 --> 01:46:32,160And then eventually you'll find the one.155901:46:32,160 --> 01:46:33,400But I don't think that's true at all.156001:46:33,400 --> 01:46:35,120That's the type of thing with time.156101:46:35,120 --> 01:46:40,160But not only hopefully could we create a wanting of families to come back together, but we156201:46:40,160 --> 01:46:43,240would create a need for them to come back together.156301:46:43,240 --> 01:46:50,840If we got rid of the options of subsidizing a single parent and then making it very easy,156401:46:50,840 --> 01:46:54,880accessible and cheap to kill your children.156501:46:54,880 --> 01:46:59,720So I've definitely heard the conversation and discussion and Thomas told someone I've156601:46:59,720 --> 01:47:06,800heard from, of course, in regards to welfare and abortion playing into welfare, parenthood156701:47:06,800 --> 01:47:13,400playing into the current kind of decline of these more impoverished minority communities.156801:47:13,400 --> 01:47:20,320And I'm unsure if it's a direct cause and effect relationship versus it could be a potential156901:47:20,320 --> 01:47:26,720tangential one or a potential coincidence.157001:47:26,720 --> 01:47:33,200And I'm not denying the possibility because there's a legitimacy in terms of the logic157101:47:33,200 --> 01:47:40,400behind what you said in terms of you give them benefits, you incentivize them to be157201:47:40,400 --> 01:47:43,320alone due to welfare.157301:47:43,320 --> 01:47:48,280You give them the option of getting rid of the baby to have more kind of dopamine hits157401:47:48,280 --> 01:47:50,240of sex constantly.157501:47:50,240 --> 01:47:56,320So they're logical, plausible reasoning behind what you're saying.157601:47:56,320 --> 01:48:02,960But I'm not going to engage into the potential cause of the current climate right now.157701:48:02,960 --> 01:48:09,600What I am going to bring up is the current climate because just because that may or may157801:48:09,600 --> 01:48:18,660not be the causal relationship doesn't necessarily mean that reverting back to a preliminary157901:48:18,660 --> 01:48:22,600status quo will solve current issues.158001:48:22,600 --> 01:48:32,560And with the current way that human American citizens are thinking, the individuality that158101:48:32,560 --> 01:48:35,600they automatically admit to themselves.158201:48:35,600 --> 01:48:40,520Matter of fact, they see themselves as themselves more than they see themselves even as a Christian158301:48:40,520 --> 01:48:42,440or an American.158401:48:42,440 --> 01:48:49,120The fact that they believe that they're entitled to certain ways of living with abortion, with158501:48:49,120 --> 01:48:53,540promiscuity, with lewdness.158601:48:53,540 --> 01:49:01,800With these things in mind, there is no guarantee that returning to the status quo will solve158701:49:01,800 --> 01:49:02,800this issue.158801:49:02,800 --> 01:49:03,800And that's why...158901:49:03,800 --> 01:49:08,200So I can actually speak to that.159001:49:08,200 --> 01:49:12,760And so there's an article by Dr. Case and Dr. Deaton.159101:49:12,760 --> 01:49:19,800And the article is primarily concerned with midlife mortality.159201:49:19,800 --> 01:49:21,840And so it's a bunch of...159301:49:21,840 --> 01:49:29,560It can also be applied broadly to the depression rates and all these things and economic depression159401:49:29,560 --> 01:49:33,760because it talks about that in the article as well, talks about the rise of suicide among159501:49:33,760 --> 01:49:34,760middle-aged people.159601:49:34,760 --> 01:49:39,680And I think it can apply to this topic in this manner.159701:49:39,680 --> 01:49:46,800These two professors, very prestigious professors at very prestigious universities, they talk159801:49:46,800 --> 01:49:55,360about a couple of potential reasons as to why there is this rise of depression and rise159901:49:55,360 --> 01:49:58,200of midlife mortality.160001:49:58,200 --> 01:50:07,360And one of the possible scenarios they talk about is lack of community and family breakdown.160101:50:07,360 --> 01:50:10,800That's a very current perspective.160201:50:10,800 --> 01:50:16,520They were very particular and when they talked about the community breakdown though, they160301:50:16,520 --> 01:50:25,520used this idea of the shift to evangelicalism for Christians away from what used to be the160401:50:25,520 --> 01:50:28,480status quo of Catholicism.160501:50:28,480 --> 01:50:32,500And I'm not a Catholic, I'm actually an evangelical.160601:50:32,500 --> 01:50:39,400But when they spoke about Catholicism, there was a community religion.160701:50:39,400 --> 01:50:42,480Catholicism is inherently a community religion.160801:50:42,480 --> 01:50:45,280So everybody shares it.160901:50:45,280 --> 01:50:51,120Evangelicalism talks about what you were just referencing, your individual experience with161001:50:51,120 --> 01:50:52,120Jesus.161101:50:52,120 --> 01:50:57,360And so everybody today is all about their individual experience.161201:50:57,360 --> 01:51:03,320And I think that is an important part, but there should also be a communal aspect of161301:51:03,320 --> 01:51:04,320it.161401:51:04,320 --> 01:51:07,760This is why we're to not forsake the assembling together of the saints.161501:51:07,760 --> 01:51:15,320But to your point about everybody caring about their personal satisfaction, their personal161601:51:15,320 --> 01:51:21,640happiness, everybody you said we can't rely on old status quo's or old norms.161701:51:21,640 --> 01:51:23,920And to that I say why.161801:51:23,920 --> 01:51:28,560Because just because something is happening now doesn't inherently make it better than161901:51:28,560 --> 01:51:30,440what has happened in the past.162001:51:30,440 --> 01:51:35,600I've talked about this before on your show and on my show.162101:51:35,600 --> 01:51:43,120We have a very very large ego on us when we say that for some reason, somehow in the last162201:51:43,120 --> 01:51:48,120couple of years, we have overcome thousands of years of history, thousands of years of162301:51:48,120 --> 01:51:49,520something that's worked.162401:51:49,520 --> 01:51:57,800Is it more likely that we have learned some more secret knowledge, we've discovered something162501:51:57,800 --> 01:52:01,080that the greatest thinkers of history have ever found?162601:52:01,080 --> 01:52:05,080Or is it more likely that maybe we're just misthinking about something?162701:52:05,080 --> 01:52:11,040I think it's kind of a false flag to say, well we can apply standards and norms that162801:52:11,040 --> 01:52:16,080existed in the 60s because we're different now.162901:52:16,080 --> 01:52:20,000Just because something is different doesn't make it better, but also by the same token163001:52:20,000 --> 01:52:23,120just because something is older doesn't make it better either.163101:52:23,120 --> 01:52:27,000But something that worked for hundreds of years I think is better than something that163201:52:27,000 --> 01:52:30,320is very obviously not working now.163301:52:30,320 --> 01:52:36,000The problem is we are a very very selfish creature, us humans.163401:52:36,000 --> 01:52:39,200And this is true for me as well as other people.163501:52:39,200 --> 01:52:42,800I am selfish when it comes to certain things, no doubt about it.163601:52:42,800 --> 01:52:49,240But hopefully when I realize that my selfishness is actually getting in front of my way of163701:52:49,240 --> 01:52:57,760flourishing, of my becoming better, I will have the ability to let go of my selfishness163801:52:57,760 --> 01:52:59,520to improve myself.163901:52:59,520 --> 01:53:02,080And it will be painful at the outset.164001:53:02,080 --> 01:53:09,460When you have an old bad habit that you know you've got to break, it is harder for a while164101:53:09,460 --> 01:53:16,080before it gets better, but eventually we can get to the point where even though something164201:53:16,080 --> 01:53:22,520gave us instantaneous gratification, we can defer that to long term gratification.164301:53:22,520 --> 01:53:29,080Which once again scientific study after scientific study, but also anecdotal and historical evidence164401:53:29,080 --> 01:53:32,200has shown us is much much better.164501:53:32,200 --> 01:53:38,180So I don't care much for the argument that oh well now is different than what it was164601:53:38,180 --> 01:53:42,760before, you know the new way that the Americans think is different than the way that Americans164701:53:42,760 --> 01:53:43,760used to think.164801:53:43,760 --> 01:53:49,920Well that is true, that doesn't make our thinking better by any stretch of the imagination.164901:53:49,920 --> 01:53:54,920I would agree that it doesn't make our thinking better, but what I will say is that it makes165001:53:54,920 --> 01:53:57,040our thinking involved.165101:53:57,040 --> 01:53:58,580And I think that's the important thing.165201:53:58,580 --> 01:54:05,040If you want to establish a set status quo from back then, there is possible possibilities165301:54:05,040 --> 01:54:10,120that it could work, but it can't work the way it was used back then.165401:54:10,120 --> 01:54:14,360It would have to be adapted to how things are now.165501:54:14,360 --> 01:54:21,120Because the way that people are is not a circumstance of people are they are now because you know165601:54:21,120 --> 01:54:26,520we just you know rule a couple years later down the line and generations down the line.165701:54:26,520 --> 01:54:33,200We grew to how we are now due to technology, due to social media, due to cultural norms165801:54:33,200 --> 01:54:38,400changing, the interpretation of women going into the workforce, minorities going into165901:54:38,400 --> 01:54:44,240the workforce, immigrants getting adapted to American society, different policies including166001:54:44,240 --> 01:54:46,440abortion, including the uses of guns.166101:54:46,440 --> 01:54:51,320A lot of things have changed constantly and evolved from how they were then.166201:54:51,320 --> 01:54:57,120And although I would say that there's more I would agree, like I said I already said166301:54:57,120 --> 01:55:02,520this but I would agree that doesn't make our thinking now better, but it makes the living166401:55:02,520 --> 01:55:08,680that we are currently in America now in terms of society in general in terms of standard,166501:55:08,680 --> 01:55:13,560not standard of living but in terms of ease of living now it's better.166601:55:13,560 --> 01:55:19,240But the problem what we're having now is we're too progressive without considering how to166701:55:19,240 --> 01:55:23,080conserve the important things of what it means to be human.166801:55:23,080 --> 01:55:29,600We're going so fast that we're not understanding important principles and those important principles166901:55:29,600 --> 01:55:32,960can overlap with something like Christianity.167001:55:32,960 --> 01:55:37,080I do think there's things that you can create yourselves but I think the easiest way is167101:55:37,080 --> 01:55:43,200for a certain step, a certain foundational principle like a religion, like a even you167201:55:43,200 --> 01:55:48,720can refer to a status quo, establishing those type of principles into people so they understand.167301:55:48,720 --> 01:55:54,320So when we go on the internet we introduce ourselves to a lot of different people, we167401:55:54,320 --> 01:55:59,520grow our perspective and our ability to communicate to a lot of different cultures, religions,167501:55:59,520 --> 01:56:04,520and understand a lot of different individuals at a different level than we have ever done167601:56:04,520 --> 01:56:07,680before in terms of consuming information.167701:56:07,680 --> 01:56:14,080We get all that but the problem with that huge amount of information that we're consuming167801:56:14,080 --> 01:56:19,880and the interactions we are interacting with is that we don't have that proper nuance.167901:56:19,880 --> 01:56:25,640We're not conserving the proper principles in terms of human interaction and human communication.168001:56:25,640 --> 01:56:31,000So over excess of information can do a lot of dangers.168101:56:31,000 --> 01:56:35,540It can easily manipulate you especially if there's an algorithm that keeps on pushing168201:56:35,540 --> 01:56:38,120you to a certain way of thinking.168301:56:38,120 --> 01:56:42,880It can easily kind of put you in an echo chamber that's not necessarily part of your community168401:56:42,880 --> 01:56:47,480but you believe it's bigger than your community because it's online where millions of people168501:56:47,480 --> 01:56:48,480are.168601:56:48,480 --> 01:56:54,120So you can see that even though our ways have evolved we're not conserving certain things168701:56:54,120 --> 01:57:00,400and humanity is reaching a very interesting point in my opinion where we are progressing168801:57:00,400 --> 01:57:10,560greatly but now we have reached the point where our progression is going too fast.168901:57:10,560 --> 01:57:19,880I mean we're about to hit virtual reality and we're about to hit AI technology to an169001:57:19,880 --> 01:57:27,040extraordinary level and we just need to make sure when we go to these new levels they're169101:57:27,040 --> 01:57:30,720conserving certain principles on what it means to be human.169201:57:30,720 --> 01:57:38,800And I've had this, this is probably a podcast episode for another day, is we should have169301:57:38,800 --> 01:57:43,460standards on what it means to be normal and I truly believe that.169401:57:43,460 --> 01:57:48,520We should have standards on what it means to be normal and I'm not going back, no worries,169501:57:48,520 --> 01:57:58,080I'm not going to a far reaching point where I'm saying, hey if you are a black American169601:57:58,080 --> 01:58:06,400male who is over the 5 feet 7 and who's not 250 you are not normal.169701:58:06,400 --> 01:58:08,120If you're not that you're not normal.169801:58:08,120 --> 01:58:09,520I'm not saying that.169901:58:09,520 --> 01:58:15,360But there are certain standards that we should set into place that we know that these values170001:58:15,360 --> 01:58:20,520and these foundations will lead to something more important than anything else in human170101:58:20,520 --> 01:58:26,160history and what that is is more humans.170201:58:26,160 --> 01:58:32,540Humans forefront nature should be continuing the human species.170301:58:32,540 --> 01:58:38,440If we are setting precedent, if we're numalizing actions that are not conducive to that main170401:58:38,440 --> 01:58:43,280purpose unless we want us to die as a race because I know people hate other humans, they170501:58:43,280 --> 01:58:45,800like dogs more than humans sometimes.170601:58:45,800 --> 01:58:53,120If we are not doing this foundational principle then we're leading to the destruction of the170701:58:53,120 --> 01:58:59,920human race and right now we need to figure out what is normal.170801:58:59,920 --> 01:59:06,000We need to figure out what is conducive to a human race and that's how we will continue170901:59:06,000 --> 01:59:13,880to grow and that's why I say that the status quo of before won't necessarily work based171001:59:13,880 --> 01:59:21,360on how they were before considering how we are now but I would adhere to adapting them171101:59:21,360 --> 01:59:28,960to the evolved way of we evolved way we are now because I do think there's legitimate171201:59:28,960 --> 01:59:34,600arguments and certain principles being returned and we've seen it before.171301:59:34,600 --> 01:59:40,040We are going very deep into this, sorry to bring this up lefties, we're going deep into171401:59:40,040 --> 01:59:45,460this kind of trans thing and we see even other countries going hey maybe we should push back171501:59:45,460 --> 01:59:46,460a little bit.171601:59:46,460 --> 01:59:53,160That's a good perfect example like we're going, we're kind of going too nuanced on figuring171701:59:53,160 --> 01:59:55,560out what it means to be male or female.171801:59:55,560 --> 01:59:57,580We're kind of going a little bit too out there.171901:59:57,580 --> 02:00:03,100Maybe take a step back, rethink what we're thinking and look into it and try to figure172002:00:03,100 --> 02:00:06,280out where we're getting it wrong.172102:00:06,280 --> 02:00:09,520So that's an example of us going too back, returning status quo but we're going to have172202:00:09,520 --> 02:00:13,720to keep on evolving what it means to be a man woman so we make sure that there's a standard172302:00:13,720 --> 02:00:19,220that we all will know will at the end of the day, I'm going to say this again, we'll make172402:00:19,220 --> 02:00:21,300sure that we continue in the human species.172502:00:21,300 --> 02:00:26,720So if we could do that for welfare because how it is now, it's not efficient.172602:00:26,720 --> 02:00:32,600If we could do that for abortion and abortion now is very interesting.172702:00:32,600 --> 02:00:37,040I mean for me considering I have a threshold, I think some states are going too far and172802:00:37,040 --> 02:00:39,880some states are going to the lax.172902:00:39,880 --> 02:00:45,440But if we do stuff like that in terms of Planned Parenthood and we keep this in mind in terms173002:00:45,440 --> 02:00:52,840of the personable humanistic principles that I'm talking about, then we can we can find173102:00:52,840 --> 02:00:54,840some progress.173202:00:54,840 --> 02:00:57,360Yeah, I agree.173302:00:57,360 --> 02:01:06,760I certainly think we should realize when something is abnormal and I think most people do.173402:01:06,760 --> 02:01:12,320Most people know when something is not normal.173502:01:12,320 --> 02:01:17,760I think the problem is, is we have created a society that says we're not allowed to call173602:01:17,760 --> 02:01:20,560out abnormality that we should.173702:01:20,560 --> 02:01:24,800I don't think most, I don't think most people do.173802:01:24,800 --> 02:01:28,120I think most people don't know how to define normal.173902:01:28,120 --> 02:01:30,640I think that's the problem right now.174002:01:30,640 --> 02:01:39,440Most people think normal is what everybody accepts as status quo or what is normal.174102:01:39,440 --> 02:01:42,300I would say I can certainly see that as well.174202:01:42,300 --> 02:01:48,880I would lean more towards this outcome with the advent of political correctness, with174302:01:48,880 --> 02:01:53,120the advent of kind of victim points.174402:01:53,120 --> 02:01:59,520People actually know what is normal, but seek to not be normal because normal is antiquated174502:01:59,520 --> 02:02:02,080and old and bad.174602:02:02,080 --> 02:02:07,240So I mean, this we see this with like you shouldn't kink shame, whatever that means.174702:02:07,240 --> 02:02:08,400I don't think that's true at all.174802:02:08,400 --> 02:02:14,720I think we should certainly shame many more things than we do shame.174902:02:14,720 --> 02:02:20,600Certainly we should do that because we should have standards of normal and decent behavior.175002:02:20,600 --> 02:02:25,480But you don't get anything special for being normal anymore.175102:02:25,480 --> 02:02:32,680In fact, you are advised to try not to be normal, but normal is good.175202:02:32,680 --> 02:02:36,200Normal is what keeps societies running.175302:02:36,200 --> 02:02:42,200There's some levels of kind of healthy abnormality because that's how you get innovation when175402:02:42,200 --> 02:02:44,600you kind of push the status quo.175502:02:44,600 --> 02:02:49,520But at the same time, if there is no status quo, then there is nothing.175602:02:49,520 --> 02:02:52,200There is no society in which to have.175702:02:52,200 --> 02:02:53,360There's nothing.175802:02:53,360 --> 02:02:57,200There's nothing there because it'll just be riotous.175902:02:57,200 --> 02:03:00,080We'll get similar to what we're getting right now.176002:03:00,080 --> 02:03:02,560So we certainly should have standards of normality.176102:03:02,560 --> 02:03:03,560I completely agree.176202:03:03,560 --> 02:03:06,160Yeah, we should definitely have standards.176302:03:06,160 --> 02:03:11,280And I mean, I don't even see it as, you know, like that one SpongeBob episode where SpongeBob176402:03:11,280 --> 02:03:17,320turned all smooth brain and it was like the super normal boring plain guy.176502:03:17,320 --> 02:03:24,000Like Johnson said, people think of it as like the boring SpongeBob.176602:03:24,000 --> 02:03:26,240What rock is this guy living in?176702:03:26,240 --> 02:03:27,320SpongeBob.176802:03:27,320 --> 02:03:31,280But people think of the boring guy.176902:03:31,280 --> 02:03:33,520Like you said, people want to be the innovators.177002:03:33,520 --> 02:03:35,040People want to be the Bill Gates.177102:03:35,040 --> 02:03:36,700People want to be the adventurer.177202:03:36,700 --> 02:03:39,220Those are the people they seem as abnormal.177302:03:39,220 --> 02:03:40,960Those are the cool individuals.177402:03:40,960 --> 02:03:45,800And I don't like that definition of normal because I agree that that definition is super177502:03:45,800 --> 02:03:46,800boring.177602:03:46,800 --> 02:03:52,280But the only way of normal that I see that I think makes sense is when you apply a sense177702:03:52,280 --> 02:04:01,560of care or a sense of way of living to society, to the human race.177802:04:01,560 --> 02:04:02,560And what is the conclusion?177902:04:02,560 --> 02:04:07,440I'm going to repeat it one more time because I feel like people should not really know178002:04:07,440 --> 02:04:08,440this, right?178102:04:08,440 --> 02:04:11,760The purpose of the human race and my personal opinion.178202:04:11,760 --> 02:04:15,380I mean, if you don't, I mean, regardless of religion, if you believe in religion, it may178302:04:15,380 --> 02:04:16,560be different.178402:04:16,560 --> 02:04:21,640But one of the main and probably the most important purpose of the human life is to178502:04:21,640 --> 02:04:23,360keep the human race going.178602:04:23,360 --> 02:04:24,680We don't want to die out.178702:04:24,680 --> 02:04:25,680We want to keep on going.178802:04:25,680 --> 02:04:27,040We want to keep on going.178902:04:27,040 --> 02:04:28,440Maybe go to other planets.179002:04:28,440 --> 02:04:29,440Who cares?179102:04:29,440 --> 02:04:33,600We got to keep on going as a human race for our ancestors, for our descendants, all that179202:04:33,600 --> 02:04:34,600good stuff.179302:04:34,600 --> 02:04:37,960And in order to keep on going, we have to have a set standard of normal to make sure179402:04:37,960 --> 02:04:38,960we're keeping on going.179502:04:38,960 --> 02:04:39,960And I'm going to be arguing.179602:04:39,960 --> 02:04:43,100I'm going to be blunt.179702:04:43,100 --> 02:04:48,680If our standard of normal is being trans, then the human race won't continue to go.179802:04:48,680 --> 02:04:55,060If our standard of normal is being a segregating all the people, then the human race won't179902:04:55,060 --> 02:04:57,320continue to go.180002:04:57,320 --> 02:05:04,320At the end of the day, we should know that a man or woman create a baby continues to180102:05:04,320 --> 02:05:05,320human race.180202:05:05,320 --> 02:05:12,280And we should know that peace and not war is a fundamental thing that we all should180302:05:12,280 --> 02:05:14,120accept as normal.180402:05:14,120 --> 02:05:17,880It should be abnormal to want that violence and war and all that stuff.180502:05:17,880 --> 02:05:22,280If you want to add other principles, we'd have to debate on the other stuff.180602:05:22,280 --> 02:05:28,200But I think those two things in terms of, you know, reproduction and wanting peace are180702:05:28,200 --> 02:05:36,920probably the most objective principles that every single person should agree to.180802:05:36,920 --> 02:05:41,720Because without those two things, we will not continue as a human species and we will180902:05:41,720 --> 02:05:47,960die out and just be another memory of the universe's long, long billion year history.181002:05:47,960 --> 02:05:49,080Know what I'm saying?181102:05:49,080 --> 02:05:59,760So I think the other stuff, I think you can be a unique individual and shaming.181202:05:59,760 --> 02:06:01,760I definitely think we should shame certain things.181302:06:01,760 --> 02:06:05,840We should shame and ostracize and condemn pedophiles, for example.181402:06:05,840 --> 02:06:09,440But like other things, and I brought up the trans, I'm going to be positive trans people181502:06:09,440 --> 02:06:10,600right now.181602:06:10,600 --> 02:06:15,920I don't care if you're trans, just understand that in terms of my definition, you're not181702:06:15,920 --> 02:06:17,320normal.181802:06:17,320 --> 02:06:19,480That's how I see it.181902:06:19,480 --> 02:06:27,500And if we are very similar to my abortion stuff, if we set a precedent that we all understand,182002:06:27,500 --> 02:06:32,000then we can kind of live in accordance to that precedent.182102:06:32,000 --> 02:06:36,360And society can kind of continue without people's rights being infringed.182202:06:36,360 --> 02:06:39,360So that's how I personally believe we should do things.182302:06:39,360 --> 02:06:42,200But yeah, that's how I view normal.182402:06:42,200 --> 02:06:46,440Now I'm ready to be canceled, but I'm not going to give up my stomachache.182502:06:46,440 --> 02:06:47,440That's fine.182602:06:47,440 --> 02:06:48,440It's all good.182702:06:48,440 --> 02:06:52,240You know, I'm going to clip this.182802:06:52,240 --> 02:06:54,080I'm going to get so canceled.182902:06:54,080 --> 02:06:56,080Oh, I can't wait.183002:06:56,080 --> 02:07:00,720You should just if you really want to get canceled, you should clip my section right183102:07:00,720 --> 02:07:03,840there when I said people should be shamed for their kinks.183202:07:03,840 --> 02:07:10,160Oh, I think the more cancelable moment that you said was the fact that 13 year old should183302:07:10,160 --> 02:07:11,160not have an abortion.183402:07:11,160 --> 02:07:12,160Oh, yes.183502:07:12,160 --> 02:07:14,000Yeah, that'll get you kicked.183602:07:14,000 --> 02:07:15,000That'll get you canceled.183702:07:15,000 --> 02:07:16,840It'll get me canceled, too.183802:07:16,840 --> 02:07:19,520They'll find all my shows then.183902:07:19,520 --> 02:07:21,800A lot of cancelable material out here.184002:07:21,800 --> 02:07:25,000Well, we got to give you so much more cancelable material.184102:07:25,000 --> 02:07:29,800I mean, I have plenty of cancelable material, but you know, those are discussions for another184202:07:29,800 --> 02:07:30,800day.184302:07:30,800 --> 02:07:33,600I think we kind of go went over all the important talking points.184402:07:33,600 --> 02:07:37,040Like I said, I don't want to go over the body autonomy because I think that's a terrible184502:07:37,040 --> 02:07:38,040argument.184602:07:38,040 --> 02:07:42,360I mean, I've never been especially when you just mentioned all the trans stuff.184702:07:42,360 --> 02:07:47,200Like, I no longer find the argument that like if you're not a man, you don't have a say.184802:07:47,200 --> 02:07:49,400It's like, well, you told me that I can be a woman.184902:07:49,400 --> 02:07:50,400Right.185002:07:50,400 --> 02:07:54,800So then for the sake of this argument, whenever I am speaking about abortion, I identify as185102:07:54,800 --> 02:07:58,360a woman and therefore I'm allowed to have an opinion about it now.185202:07:58,360 --> 02:08:00,080So there you go.185302:08:00,080 --> 02:08:07,000Yeah, it's it's so like the anytime someone brings up my body, my choice, I see so many185402:08:07,000 --> 02:08:14,480tick tocks of them getting schooled if someone asks a counter question like, OK, you know,185502:08:14,480 --> 02:08:17,120they said something about you being a woman or say, are you a Jew?185602:08:17,120 --> 02:08:18,120Do you care about the Holocaust?185702:08:18,120 --> 02:08:23,440And the woman just shows up and like, well, it's like, you know, for me, oh, for me as185802:08:23,440 --> 02:08:28,440a gun owner, it's like you don't get to talk about gun policy if you don't own a gun.185902:08:28,440 --> 02:08:30,200Like, what about that?186002:08:30,200 --> 02:08:33,280It's like, that's a ridiculous argument.186102:08:33,280 --> 02:08:36,240There's so much wrong with that argument.186202:08:36,240 --> 02:08:38,600It doesn't make any sense.186302:08:38,600 --> 02:08:41,200Nobody has ever argued my body, my choice.186402:08:41,200 --> 02:08:42,200That's so dumb.186502:08:42,200 --> 02:08:47,880I think do think there's some legitimacy, especially back then in history, where men186602:08:47,880 --> 02:08:50,340thought they can control a woman's body.186702:08:50,340 --> 02:08:54,680But in this modern Western society, men, for the most part, don't think like that unless186802:08:54,680 --> 02:08:56,680you're like some red pill weirdo.186902:08:56,680 --> 02:08:59,560So I can't really do anything about those people.187002:08:59,560 --> 02:09:00,560You know what I'm saying?187102:09:00,560 --> 02:09:03,760So with that said, that is all we got for today's episode.187202:09:03,760 --> 02:09:05,800We will be back, of course.187302:09:05,800 --> 02:09:12,080And I think this was a very interesting discussion per usual in regards to the abortion topic.187402:09:12,080 --> 02:09:17,720Next topic, like I've said already, will be regarding media companies role in politics.187502:09:17,720 --> 02:09:21,100And we're going to have a very interesting guest for that conversation.187602:09:21,100 --> 02:09:22,840So hope everybody enjoyed.187702:09:22,840 --> 02:09:25,120Of course, you all have a good one.187802:09:25,120 --> 02:09:34,020Rate if five stars if you enjoyed leave a message, leave an email at the website www.purplepoliticalbreakdown.com.187902:09:34,020 --> 02:09:56,640Take care and peace.