#33 - The Greatest Abortion Debate of All Time

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,440 WELCOME! 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:08,680 This is the Purple Political Breakdown. 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:10,320 God said don't judge. 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,300 When Jesus said don't judge, that means don't judge. 5 00:00:14,300 --> 00:00:20,360 And so if someone was to get an abortion, I would be disheartened and I would be sad 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,760 that that life was lost. 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,480 But at the same time, I don't want to judge that person. 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:31,500 And I might judge them at first glance because I am fallible and I'm a human. 9 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:37,000 So if you understand it's human and you do the action, that will affect you for the rest 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,000 of your life. 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,320 Permanent. 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:46,280 And that's something people need to consider because you could do the action. 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,520 You could be in your early 20s and do it and whatever. 14 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:59,000 And then you maybe 32 years old, you found God or you found a more concrete moral structure. 15 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:04,160 And you realized that when I was in my early 20s, what are you going to think? 16 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,360 You're going to think to yourself that I killed two people. 17 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:13,080 You know, this is probably very unpopular, but I don't like to play God. 18 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,580 I don't like to play God. 19 00:01:14,580 --> 00:01:21,160 And having an abortion in my perspective, in my view is a way of playing God. 20 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:26,240 And this, I say this because I believe in a loving God and I believe in his promise 21 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,480 that he works out all things for the good of those who diligently seek after him and 22 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,440 are called him according to his purpose. 23 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,520 Are you 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00:03:07,600 an easy podcast website for your personal podcast. 46 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,800 Sign up to get a discount now. 47 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:16,000 Again, use the link in my description to join pod page now. 48 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,500 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. 49 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:23,180 This is episode number 33, I believe episode number 33 of the podcast. 50 00:03:23,180 --> 00:03:27,400 And we're back at it again within a very interesting discussion. 51 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:33,080 I'm sure we'll both have very interesting prone of views on the abortion topic. 52 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,240 So we're going to dive into that a little bit later, of course. 53 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:42,880 And I'm going to start it off per usual with the with the review. 54 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:43,880 This is a long one. 55 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,280 So, you know, be prepared, be prepared for it. 56 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,720 Of course, I'm your host, Rizal Lewis. 57 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,640 And this is my cohost, Jonathan is just two of us for today. 58 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,400 Next this Thursday. 59 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,120 So tune in live this Thursday. 60 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,400 Well, this will by the time this is out, this will matter. 61 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:07,680 But this Thursday, we're going to have a CEO for a media company that kind of does different 62 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:14,440 news articles on their media politics, being one of them basically any other major news. 63 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,260 So we'll talk about that when they come on. 64 00:04:17,260 --> 00:04:21,800 That episode will drop officially on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and all that stuff. 65 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,000 The following Thursday, this comes out. 66 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,560 So stay tuned for that, of course. 67 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,560 So Jonathan, how you doing, my guy? 68 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:30,560 I'm good. 69 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:31,560 How are you doing? 70 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:32,560 Good. 71 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:33,560 Doing good. 72 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:34,560 Pretty tired today. 73 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,520 You know, I was not in the suit, of course. 74 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,080 I was already dressed this way and I didn't feel like changing. 75 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,680 So, you know, we're just going to roll it. 76 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:51,480 And yeah, just did a lot, a lot of calls today, kind of dealing with the student debt situation 77 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,840 now that it's coming back a little. 78 00:04:54,840 --> 00:05:01,240 What you need to know news for some people, I guess, is that Biden administration is forgiving 79 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:07,520 certain loans for people who are already 20 to 25 years in student loan payments. 80 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,040 He's forgiving those individuals as of right now. 81 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,960 So they're they're moving up towards it. 82 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,520 But you know, I have to deal with mine now that payments are starting again in the next 83 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:17,520 couple of months. 84 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,560 So, you know, a lot of calls for that. 85 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:20,560 That's it. 86 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:21,560 That's super fun. 87 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,280 But I kind of came out of it as best as you can come out of it. 88 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:25,280 So, you know, I'm happy. 89 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:26,280 I got you. 90 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:27,280 That's good. 91 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:28,280 That's good. 92 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:29,280 All right. 93 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:30,280 Let's read off this review. 94 00:05:30,280 --> 00:05:31,680 And this is a long one. 95 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,880 Like I said, if you are going to leave a review, feel free to leave it on Apple Podcasts or 96 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:43,520 go to the website, www.purplepoliticalbreakdown.com or where you can leave a message, leave a voicemail, 97 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:48,840 with email, the review and it can get shouted out and try to pay attention to like different 98 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:50,440 comments based on the solutions. 99 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,040 We admit and to kind of read some of the feedback running that as well. 100 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,040 But, you know, stay tuned for that for later. 101 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,560 This one is from Big Jags. 102 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:05,720 They said this podcast does a great job of presenting several aspects of a complex issues 103 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,440 related to politics, historical references, what we've done in the past, the potential 104 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,960 solutions or thing you should expect in this podcast. 105 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,640 It really helps to understand what we've done in the past. 106 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,840 Now both sides are presenting their problems and or solutions to reach some form of consensus 107 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:27,120 and producing a government that is more in line with a government should provide. 108 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,640 Worth a listen, unless you'd rather follow what you're told blindly. 109 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,480 You don't want to do that, of course. 110 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,620 If that's the case, you only listen to the episodes you think you like and refuse to 111 00:06:35,620 --> 00:06:40,720 respect others opinions, but expect others to respect yours, thereby remaining part of 112 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:41,720 the problem. 113 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,800 I think you've spit in some facts over there. 114 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:45,800 I don't know. 115 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:46,800 I think so. 116 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:47,800 I think so. 117 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:48,800 Yeah. 118 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,760 I mean, that's what we try to do here in the podcast to kind of present these problems, 119 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:58,640 present very nuanced takes and conversational conversations regarding these different problems 120 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,320 and topics. 121 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:06,080 And most importantly, try to kind of look at it from different points of views that 122 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,440 even if not our own and find solutions. 123 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:15,500 Like I've said already prior, I feel like so many of these podcasts propose these problems. 124 00:07:15,500 --> 00:07:18,480 No solutions and just complaints. 125 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,120 I mean, that's not helping anybody at the end of the day. 126 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,320 So appreciate you, of course. 127 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,440 And that's what we'll continue to do for the podcast moving forward. 128 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,680 Hope you enjoy future episodes. 129 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,000 I did talk to Paul, Jonathan. 130 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,000 He said he will try to start making. 131 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,240 He said he probably won't be able to do Thursday episodes, but he said he will try to be able 132 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:43,840 to do like Mondays. 133 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,560 And he said he will be back next week. 134 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,080 So we'll have Paul back for next week. 135 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,160 And next week is, I believe, a double guest, too. 136 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,400 I think there's two guests there. 137 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,240 It's lined up to come on the show. 138 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,560 So we'll see how that kind of place plays out. 139 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:06,780 So let's start off with a what you need to know. 140 00:08:06,780 --> 00:08:12,320 These are current events, current topics that is going on in society that may you may be 141 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,520 interested in, of course. 142 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,720 First thing we got is the actor strike. 143 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,000 I'm sure you heard about it. 144 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,960 You know, the actors kind of striking against Hollywood actors, writers, journalists, different 145 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:30,280 people kind of upset with the current way things are in the Hollywood landscape. 146 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:37,480 Another current news going on is U.S. health regulators approved the first birth control 147 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:43,840 medication available over the counter without a prescription called Opal. 148 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,960 So basically think of this as one of those drugs you can buy at any store, kind of like 149 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,180 a Tylenol, and you don't need a prescription to get it by any means. 150 00:08:52,180 --> 00:09:00,640 So this is the first kind of step towards that type of drugs, I guess. 151 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,600 We're going to talk about a little bit since it's kind of touches in with the main topic 152 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,120 of abortion potentially. 153 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,760 I'm not. 154 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,040 We'll talk about it later. 155 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:16,240 And then the last thing is that there's the new NDAA bill that they're trying to get passed 156 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:17,240 through the Senate. 157 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,900 Apparently, it did get passed by the House, but there's expectation that it won't pass 158 00:09:21,900 --> 00:09:23,200 through the Senate. 159 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:28,520 From what I saw, someone sent me a newsletter regarding it. 160 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:33,200 Usually these NDAA bills are pretty consistent. 161 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,280 You know, it's a compromise from the two sides. 162 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:42,560 Usually they put some filler stuff in, but for the most part, it gets passed pretty cleanly 163 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:44,420 throughout the years. 164 00:09:44,420 --> 00:09:47,040 But this time there's going to be controversy. 165 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,040 Why? 166 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,000 Because we've said it before, it seems like the political landscape is becoming much more 167 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,260 divided than it's ever been before. 168 00:09:54,260 --> 00:09:57,800 And some of the things that's going to cause stir for the Democrats, because these are 169 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,120 things that the conservatives put in. 170 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,400 I'm curious what Jonathan thinks of them, of course. 171 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:09,840 Some of the controversial new things that they want to put in this includes a provision 172 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:16,360 blocking the Pentagon's policy of reimbursing service members who have to travel to obtain 173 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:22,540 abortions because of where they are based, a provision eliminating the Defense Department 174 00:10:22,540 --> 00:10:30,640 office for DEI, diversity, equity and inclusion, a provision barring the military health care 175 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:37,600 plan from covering gender transition surgeries and medications, and a provision prohibiting 176 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:43,880 Defense Department schools from teaching critical race theory. 177 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,160 So these are some of the things conservatives want to try to get passed with this new NDAA 178 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:55,640 bill, but the Senate may not let this go through, making it a controversial bill. 179 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,720 So what do you think about the current news, Jonathan? 180 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:07,080 You know, obviously I have opinions about the abortion bill. 181 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:15,540 But as for the actors strike, you know, I really could care less. 182 00:11:15,540 --> 00:11:18,680 Like I'm not sure why they're striking exactly. 183 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:22,160 I think it has something to do with pay or something like that. 184 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,160 Usually. 185 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,160 Yeah. 186 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,160 Pay and conditions. 187 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:35,400 But my thing to be fair is like not only the actor stuff with this Hollywood situation, 188 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:42,440 but I feel like in a lot of media companies, more entertainment media companies as of late 189 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,120 have been taking advantage of their people a little bit too much, like voice actors to 190 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,520 animators, for example. 191 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,200 Animators get treated horribly. 192 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,200 Yes. 193 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:52,200 Considering the tight deadline. 194 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,200 So yes. 195 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:59,560 So I was what I was going to say, the actors, I feel like, you know, there's probably some 196 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:03,600 actors the small actors probably get taken advantage of. 197 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:09,860 As I understand it, the sag isn't a very good union. 198 00:12:09,860 --> 00:12:16,040 So a lot of actors go for something called like by four or five or something like that 199 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,160 or something along those lines. 200 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,160 And that's the union. 201 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,440 That's like a private union that that they joined because they do a better job. 202 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:29,280 I feel like actors are some of the highest class people. 203 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,720 I don't doubt that some of them get treated poorly. 204 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:33,720 The majority of them. 205 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:38,400 These people make millions of dollars a year. 206 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:39,720 And so I don't feel that bad. 207 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,880 However, the writers strike. 208 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:48,120 I totally understand because I do know that Hollywood writers just get pulled over the 209 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:49,120 coals. 210 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,480 Same thing with animators. 211 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,660 I know animators get treated like crap. 212 00:12:55,660 --> 00:12:59,160 And that's one of the reasons I think a lot of animation is like so bad. 213 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:05,000 Like if you look at like the Lord of the Rings animation from like 2000 versus like the modern 214 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:10,600 Marvel animation from their recent movies and shows like the 2000s animation. 215 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:16,080 I mean, Jurassic Park's animation in 1993 was better than a lot of the animation that 216 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,080 comes out. 217 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,080 Yeah. 218 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,520 You know, it's not because the technology is getting worse, obviously, it's just because 219 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:27,000 the big the big production houses don't treat animators well, don't give them enough time 220 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,240 to work with stuff. 221 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,160 Yeah, they put them in like strict deadlines. 222 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:36,320 And I mean, Marvel learned from their mistakes with all the different passion projects that 223 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:41,600 they were trying to do in a short deadline and how inefficient that really was. 224 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:46,600 They scaled back a little bit to make sure that they're focusing on the in the important 225 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,960 projects, which, you know, they should have done in the first place. 226 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,760 But yeah, I feel bad for the the the people. 227 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,840 Obviously, the high A-list actors probably don't care. 228 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,120 They might do so. 229 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:05,120 They might join out of maybe beliefs. 230 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,800 You know, you never know which actor is really genuine or not. 231 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:14,360 And then some will join due to, you know, positive image. 232 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,680 You know, so I saw I saw a meme. 233 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:22,520 Mark Ruffalo was out with a sign and he was just wearing all this disheveled clothes and 234 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,160 someone captioned it. 235 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,600 Quick agent, get me my poor guy clothes. 236 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,480 Yeah, like it's a publicity side. 237 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,400 That's, you know, some of the stuff. 238 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:38,440 You know, you want to be you want to be seeming like you care about these circumstances being 239 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,440 an A-list actor. 240 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,040 And some people just won't care. 241 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,360 I mean, to be fair, I mean, if you're going to pay the big bucks, you can't expect them 242 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:46,680 to care at the end of the day. 243 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,400 So, you know, you only could do much for those people. 244 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,000 But yeah, it's a it's a. 245 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:58,240 That really plays into the bigger conversation of like. 246 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:04,600 The thing with capitalism is we can't really check these billionaires. 247 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,840 Right. 248 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,040 Usually you got to hope from the kindness of their heart that they're willing to, you 249 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,960 know, help out the rest of society. 250 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,960 And obviously you can raise taxes. 251 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:21,800 Well, we saw we see time and time again, raising taxes to a ridiculous extent will just motivate 252 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,440 them to take their businesses to places that won't be taxed. 253 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:32,640 And even if you realistically, because people don't really understand in terms of the percentage 254 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:37,460 that we tax the rich, I mean, as of right now, they do get taxed more. 255 00:15:37,460 --> 00:15:40,440 So I mean, they are more far more. 256 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,920 It's just people don't know this. 257 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,520 The average person thinks that they don't get taxed at all. 258 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:45,520 Right. 259 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,320 So, you know, that's not a plus. 260 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:53,720 85 percent of all taxes that happen in America is like 400K above. 261 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:58,280 Like people who make that pay like maybe not quite that much, but like close to 70 percent 262 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,120 of taxes. 263 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,360 I wouldn't even be surprised by that number. 264 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:11,620 But at the end of the day, it's such a tough thing in a capitalist country to the only 265 00:16:11,620 --> 00:16:20,080 way to really force these billionaires hands are things like unions or things like strikes. 266 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:26,320 You got the workers have to force the billionaires to do the government won't be the government 267 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,320 won't do shit. 268 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:33,040 But the workers really have to come together and we're like, hey, we need better X, Y and 269 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,840 Z. That's the only way to get anything done. 270 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:36,840 Yeah. 271 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:37,840 Yeah, I agree. 272 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:38,840 I agree. 273 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:47,000 So what about the NDAA bill? 274 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,040 Do you like everything that they're trying to pass or do you disagree? 275 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,600 So I like those last two things. 276 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,520 I'll be honest, though, I haven't had a chance to read that bill yet. 277 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,120 I'm not sure everything that's in it. 278 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,400 I do like the last two things you read, though. 279 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:05,600 You know, I don't think that I don't think that transgender surgery should should be 280 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,840 allowed, period. 281 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:15,040 And that that particularly, I think, is is a good a good thing. 282 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:20,480 Specifically, like, you know, I think you said that was in the context of military hospitals 283 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,480 and veterans. 284 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:27,760 I don't think that the VA should be paying for that sort of stuff. 285 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:40,400 Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah, for like you said, the VA military funding, obviously 286 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:45,160 that probably if you want to do something like that, that's probably something I don't 287 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,160 know. 288 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:54,800 I would have to kind of see what constitutes private like circumstances versus like military 289 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,960 funded insurance or, you know, like you said, VA benefits, what that would cover. 290 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:03,280 Because from my knowledge, I feel like full active duty. 291 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:09,200 I don't really know any circumstances where when you go to the hospital, for example, 292 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:15,480 and that the VA, the health benefits that you're getting from the military doesn't cover. 293 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:22,680 So this would be that one exemption that you go like you go to the hospital, you have a 294 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:29,360 kid that wants to transition or maybe even the the person was a transition. 295 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:36,280 I'm not really sure how like optically how you would kind of justify that if everything 296 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:37,280 is covered. 297 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,240 But this one thing optically, I don't know how you'd well. 298 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,280 So there's a whole host of things about that. 299 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:51,380 I'm sure there's other surgeries like there's the trans able community, right? 300 00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:56,520 I don't think that hospital should someone should come up and be like, hey, man, I feel 301 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:02,360 like I identify like I shouldn't have an arm cut off my arm. 302 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:04,360 Like we shouldn't cover that either. 303 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:09,280 I mean, there's a whole host of I mean, there was a pretty famous interview, I think, to 304 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:14,140 get what cable news channel was was covering it. 305 00:19:14,140 --> 00:19:18,320 But it was a lady who literally poured bleach on her eyes because she identified as the 306 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,240 one who should have been blind. 307 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,640 And it's one of the things that I don't know. 308 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:28,440 I'm not sure if she tried to get hospital, the hospital to do it or not. 309 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,840 But I don't think the hospital should have gave it, you know, she wanted it. 310 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,320 I don't know if the hospital. 311 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,320 No, no. 312 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,800 So basically, I mean, she did go to a psychiatrist or, you know, I'm pretty sure it's called 313 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:40,800 psychiatrist. 314 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,760 She went to a psychiatrist and the psychiatrist recommended she did. 315 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,880 So she did it in a safe environment. 316 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,280 So I'm not really sure if any. 317 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,880 Well, is it a safe environment if you're pouring bleach on your eyes? 318 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,440 I don't think that's because there's a safe environment. 319 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,880 I mean, how else are you going to blind yourself, I guess? 320 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,120 So you shouldn't be allowed to. 321 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:08,280 I think that's what we call insanity or at least used to. 322 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:15,840 Yeah, that that begs another question in terms of how far we want to go into these kind of 323 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:21,920 mental health circumstances, because a lot of these situations where you identify something 324 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:30,080 outside of who you are, the more accepted remedies, the more popular and studied remedies 325 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:36,100 for these situations or to allow them to live the experiencing that they believe that they 326 00:20:36,100 --> 00:20:38,560 are experiencing. 327 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,960 As of right now, there's really no other solution. 328 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:47,400 I don't even I don't really know if any other course of action would be better, like telling 329 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:53,560 them no, and they do it on their own or trying to lock them up for believing this, even though 330 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,680 inherently it may not be their fault. 331 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,440 So I don't know. 332 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,760 We'll touch upon that conversation a little bit later to see what we can kind of conjure 333 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,000 up, of course. 334 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,240 And we'll see if we can have Paul for that one. 335 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,240 Yeah. 336 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:11,040 See, what do you think as well to get the most nuance of nuance of nuance perspective 337 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,500 regarding it? 338 00:21:12,500 --> 00:21:15,240 But let's start off with our subtopic. 339 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,800 This is social subtopic. 340 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,960 So we're going over some of the things that are going on that is trending, so to speak, 341 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,000 socially in society. 342 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,960 So there's two things that I found that was pretty interesting to discuss and hear your 343 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,280 thoughts about. 344 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:37,000 The first thing that I saw trending for some reason is in regards to the gender queer book 345 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,080 that apparently is trending on social media. 346 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,120 Now, I'm not really sure why it's now trending. 347 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:48,740 I do know what the book is from very surface level knowledge. 348 00:21:48,740 --> 00:21:51,680 It's obviously an LGBTQ book. 349 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:57,580 I saw a couple images there, you know, scenes where the individuals were talking very sexually 350 00:21:57,580 --> 00:21:58,580 to each other. 351 00:21:58,580 --> 00:22:02,800 You know, an image of someone giving someone else a blowjob. 352 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:08,640 And my thing is because I don't like to kind of get hair narratives from conservatives 353 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,720 because sometimes they blow things out of the water. 354 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,680 Nor do I like to hear narratives from the left because sometimes they undermine what 355 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,440 is actually going on. 356 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:25,640 So I would say for a book like this in a kid's library, like middle school, I had a library 357 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:31,680 of my school, this shouldn't be in that library by any means in a high school library. 358 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,640 Arguable. 359 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,920 But in a middle school library and obviously in an elementary school library, there's no 360 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:43,360 way in hell this should be in their libraries for a public library. 361 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:48,160 I mean, if it's in the adult section, I don't really see what's wrong with that. 362 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,920 So I don't know. 363 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:51,920 Have you seen this? 364 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:52,920 What are your thoughts about it? 365 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:53,920 I have. 366 00:22:53,920 --> 00:23:01,320 I think it's trending because there's been a particularly concerted effort to get it 367 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,520 removed from school libraries, which is why I assume it's trending. 368 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:10,160 I know there's been talk, like a lot of Republicans and conservatives use this particular book 369 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:17,400 as a demonstration of the kind of books that they try to put in, you know, elementary school 370 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,200 libraries because it does depict... 371 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:27,400 I haven't, I've never read the book front to cover, but I've seen through commentary 372 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:34,880 some of the photos that are in it and they depict some relatively lewd acts and describe 373 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,840 some pretty lewd acts as well. 374 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:43,920 Certainly something that should not be in any kind of kids book. 375 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,440 So because obviously it's a picture book primarily. 376 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,640 It was written for elementary school readers. 377 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,320 So it is a primarily like a picture book. 378 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:00,360 And I don't know about other people's libraries, but I can't go into my library and find porn 379 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:01,360 anywhere. 380 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:09,480 And I mean, that's not quite to the extent of some porn, I guess, because I've heard 381 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,240 some pretty weird stuff out there these days. 382 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:19,000 Because this seems to me like pornographic material that shouldn't be in libraries. 383 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:27,680 Yeah, I've seen, I've seen arguments that obviously it's a formative narration of what 384 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,920 it means to be lesbian, gay, whatever. 385 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:40,760 I'm not really sure in terms of how, how realistic it may be that this is in a school library 386 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,760 because I don't see any justification for it to be in a middle school or an elementary 387 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,520 school library. 388 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:51,240 I've seen some things that said it's in a they are in public libraries in the adult 389 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,400 section. 390 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:58,040 So I don't even necessarily want to say that this is geared towards kids necessarily. 391 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:03,520 I've heard this thing from, you know, I've heard destiny say this and I agree to the 392 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:09,640 sentiment that the problem with the left is that there are radicals and extremists on 393 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,800 the left that want to do weird stuff. 394 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:19,480 Like they would actually advocate putting this book in an elementary school. 395 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:26,360 And the problem with the left is like the more rational ones, arguably, instead of condemning 396 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:33,280 this type of situation, like a Paul probably would or Connor probably would, or even a 397 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,680 WIC probably would. 398 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,840 Instead of that, the popular consensus is just defending it because it's on the left. 399 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,360 And that actually goes hand to hand what we were talking about before, how Democrats are 400 00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:49,200 very much willing to defend their side regardless if they believe it or not. 401 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,240 And that's a big problem with the left is they're not willing to condemn things that 402 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,820 are obviously stupid and wrong. 403 00:25:55,820 --> 00:26:04,440 So I know sometimes the right uses much, uses propaganda to a certain extent and says things 404 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,640 that are that could be untrue. 405 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,400 So I would have to factually be sure that this is something that is being pushed in 406 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,080 elementary or middle schools. 407 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,720 I don't see any justification for it. 408 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,160 I mean, I feel like the only states that may do is like something like California, but 409 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,720 California is crazy. 410 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,560 So with that said, I would have to be very sure. 411 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,800 But in terms of public libraries, I can't see a reason why you would take it out of 412 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,640 public library if it's in the adult section. 413 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:37,040 And I see it, I did see that some things that were said, some kind of comparisons that were 414 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:42,040 said is like, okay, what about those lewd anime, anime manga? 415 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:47,120 Because I mean, to be fair, anime manga can be very, very lewd. 416 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:53,360 So yeah, if it's a public library for everybody, keep it out of the kids section, make it very 417 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,440 clear that this is an adult book. 418 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,420 If you want to read it when you're 18, then go ahead. 419 00:26:58,420 --> 00:27:03,640 But if it actually is in middle schools, elementary schools, arguably high schools, I'll be willing 420 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,600 to engage that conversations. 421 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,680 But yeah, if they're in those at those locations, get rid of it. 422 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,160 And everybody tries to kind of defend it. 423 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,360 They're just, you know, a lefty defender that doesn't know what they're talking about. 424 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:17,920 They're just talking and saying stuff. 425 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,340 So it doesn't really help the situation. 426 00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:26,400 So the other topic, and I was telling you about telling you about it a little bit, is 427 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,800 that there's something really cringe going on in society. 428 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:40,800 So a new popular trend that is going on is tick talkers are going on the streaming platform. 429 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,360 And it makes it very easy to interact with those content creators. 430 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:50,920 And what you could do is you can send them these different kind of emotes or these different 431 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:56,760 type of actions or animations for them to react. 432 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,400 And it reminds me of the trend back in the day with those weird kind of weaves that would 433 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,040 kind of do those cringe ass dances on tick tock. 434 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,920 Well, this is basically the same thing. 435 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,560 They're bouncing up and down like they're kind of bouncing on something and doing cringe 436 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,520 actions. 437 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:22,280 And anytime someone sends them an animation or icon or whatever, they would go like, oh, 438 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:28,560 in terms of them getting electrocuted or a meow if a cat is sent to them or, you know, 439 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,080 just really cringe worthy stuff. 440 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:37,200 Like if you saw a rational person on the side of the street doing these actions, you would 441 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,180 think they were insane. 442 00:28:39,180 --> 00:28:41,480 This is just not normal behavior. 443 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,120 But obviously, when you see one individual who starts doing it and obviously the person 444 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:51,400 that starts doing it is a white girl that's dressed as like an anime character who's really 445 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,400 attractive. 446 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,960 So you go off the trend of her. 447 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,920 It starts with a girl like that. 448 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,320 And then everybody else sees like, oh, this is I can make some easy money like this. 449 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:06,640 So we got more people starting to do it and more and more people willing to kind of bail 450 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,200 out their integrity to do this stuff. 451 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,080 So yeah, it's super cringe. 452 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,920 What do you think about Jonathan? 453 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,760 I think that's insane. 454 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:26,640 I would be curious to know the average age of the person who does that. 455 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,640 And then like whatever the average age of the person that does that, add 10 years and 456 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,280 that should be the voting age for America. 457 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,440 So they look like they're in their 20s. 458 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:43,960 And we need that I will be willing to forfeit my vote and to make the voting age 30. 459 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,160 Like I'm down to do that. 460 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:52,240 Like if the average person is like 18 doing it, make the voting age 28. 461 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,240 Like I'm fine with that. 462 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:59,520 I will forfeit my vote because the people who do that sort of thing, they're obviously 463 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,480 they're not paying attention to politics. 464 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,980 They don't know what's going on. 465 00:30:02,980 --> 00:30:09,280 They don't understand what the Democrats believe nor what the Republicans believe. 466 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,480 They don't they don't pay attention to policies that are being promoted. 467 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,520 Yeah, they're just making easy buck by doing some cringe stuff. 468 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,720 But there's an interesting argument that comes out of this. 469 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:29,560 And that interesting argument comes down to the age old debate of responsibility between 470 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,040 consumer versus the product. 471 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,540 And obviously this goes way deeper since the product is a human. 472 00:30:37,540 --> 00:30:43,320 And this plays not only plays into the aspect of being extremely cringe on TikTok live streams, 473 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,140 but I mean, the argument can go to things like porn as well. 474 00:30:47,140 --> 00:30:49,920 Things like OnlyFans as well. 475 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:56,460 So we see these individuals that are doing these very cringeworthy things. 476 00:30:56,460 --> 00:31:03,280 But the consumers that is playing into the popularity of these things are more than likely 477 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:11,200 these very either cringe worthy kids who have no life, kids or teenagers, or these old, 478 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:17,600 more than likely old men that are depraved and pathetic. 479 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:24,680 So these are the people that tend to buy into this and tend to feed into this. 480 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,800 And this is just another example of how they can do that. 481 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,240 Because for the most part, the people who tend to benefit the most from this, we know 482 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:38,720 who they are, the people who tend to benefit the most are very attractive young women. 483 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,320 And all they got to do with this cringe worthy stuff, all they got to do is make an OnlyFans, 484 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:49,680 all they got to do is make porn and you got these depraved men kind of feeding into them. 485 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:56,560 The problem, especially with things like OnlyFans, is obviously it's not very edifying for any 486 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:57,760 of the parties involved. 487 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,680 It's not good for you. 488 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:09,120 Secondly, I'm not sure the exact statistics, but it's like of the population of women who 489 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:17,480 are on OnlyFans, a minute fraction of the people actually make anywhere near amount 490 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,840 of money to be worth anything. 491 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,840 So of the probably hundreds of thousands at this point of people who are on it, most of 492 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,880 them are just selling their bodies for nothing. 493 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:28,880 And that's not okay. 494 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,480 That's not okay. 495 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:39,680 The other thing with things like TikTok is obviously there's something like unnatural 496 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:40,920 about that sort of thing. 497 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,080 Like I don't know how true this is, but this is something that I've heard that and I would 498 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,440 be willing to believe it. 499 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:52,160 Because in China, TikTok is more of an educational platform. 500 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,200 Like it's a bunch of people teaching you educational things, how to work with wood, how to work 501 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,960 with your hands, how to do mathematics, all those sorts of things. 502 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:07,200 And I would be willing to believe that based on my dad having been to China numerous times 503 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:13,680 telling, like they would send like letter letters, like handwritten. 504 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:19,440 And so his students would send letters back to his parents like with postcards. 505 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:25,800 And when they got back home, the letter that they wrote was different than the one that 506 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,780 their parents received. 507 00:33:27,780 --> 00:33:33,900 So even like letter through the mail was read through and edited and changed. 508 00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:39,380 And so when it comes to the TikTok that we have here in America, there's legitimate problems 509 00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:45,480 with it, there's something unnatural about standing in front of a screen doing a weird 510 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,480 dance and then pretending to get struck by lightning, pretending to meow like a cat, 511 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,800 to bark like a dog, to do all of these very strange and unnatural things. 512 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:59,200 I think to some extent it is actually degrading to the person who's doing it. 513 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,880 Like the person who's willing to like, we here are obviously both sitting in front of 514 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,320 a screen, sitting in front of a camera, but we're doing something that has been done 515 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:15,400 since the time of Athens, discussing important topics that are affecting our society. 516 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,120 What neither of us are doing and who knows, I might find a Waddell Lewis live stream of 517 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,520 you jumping up and getting struck by lightning, but I doubt it. 518 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,360 There's a huge difference. 519 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:31,480 One of these two, the only thing I think that could make this conversation even better is 520 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,520 if we were in person and or smoking a cigar. 521 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,320 Like that would make it even better. 522 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:44,920 What is not good is jumping up and down in front of a camera and pretending to get struck 523 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:51,120 by lightning by people who this individual will probably never see, doesn't know their 524 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:57,520 names because all their names are like Hugh Chungus or these fake names that are just 525 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:04,400 and then Hugh Chungus or you know Mike Oxlong 22145 or probably 42069. 526 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:11,080 Like these fake people who don't post their actual pictures online and who just do weird 527 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,160 and lexical acts. 528 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,200 There's something unnatural about that. 529 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:20,960 And I think that this is one of the things that's bleeding into our society. 530 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,840 I very much agree that it's unnatural. 531 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:31,420 I'm not willing to concede that China might be doing something to America's algorithm 532 00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:33,280 to make us crazy. 533 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,040 Is it possible? 534 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,040 I'm not. 535 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,040 I wasn't. 536 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,040 I wasn't. 537 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,040 Oh, I know. 538 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,880 I don't think you were saying that, but you got to clarify these things for because people 539 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,440 on the conservatives on the right definitely believe China's manipulating the algorithm 540 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,440 to make Americans. 541 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,220 I wouldn't be like, oh my God, I never saw that coming if it was true. 542 00:35:54,220 --> 00:35:59,840 But I'm also hesitant to get involved in the conspiracy theories like that. 543 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:06,500 Yeah, I'm you when it comes down to these those type of topics, you can entertain the 544 00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:12,880 idea as plausible with enough evidence because one thing you don't want to do is be blissfully 545 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:18,400 ignorant, but you can't let those conspiracies, especially without evidence, dictate how you 546 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,020 navigate life. 547 00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:27,560 So my thing is considering I don't really believe that China is trying to manipulate 548 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:33,500 the algorithm, I think what it really shows is what obviously China controls all the information 549 00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:38,160 in their own country and forces certain types of information on their people. 550 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,340 And they can do that because they're a communist country. 551 00:36:41,340 --> 00:36:42,520 So that's one thing. 552 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,200 The second part is since America is so free and we are allowed to absorb any media that 553 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:53,200 we want for the most part, boring some examples we've talked about time and time again, this 554 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,220 arguably could be what the consumers want. 555 00:36:57,220 --> 00:36:58,560 And that is the problem. 556 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:08,160 The consumers want the weird cringe stuff, especially if this is mostly like the people 557 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,240 people need to recognize the people who are on the Internet all the time, the people who 558 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:16,200 are on TikTok all day, the people who are on social media all day, whether you want 559 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:21,400 to agree with it or not, those people are people more than likely they don't have life, 560 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,020 that they don't have a life. 561 00:37:23,020 --> 00:37:25,500 They don't really have a personal life. 562 00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:27,560 They don't really interact with people that much. 563 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,400 And I'm not saying the time and time like time again, time and time again, social media 564 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,440 users where you use it momentarily. 565 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:39,000 I'm talking about who spend every waking moment on the site and on the platform. 566 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,200 Those people who spend nine hours plus. 567 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,200 I would. 568 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:48,080 So I guess I would readdress my statement about the age. 569 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:58,560 I wouldn't be surprised if the average actor in those TikTok videos was was 20, you know, 570 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,920 in their teen late teens or 20s. 571 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:08,460 I would be surprised if the average consumer of that information of those videos was over 572 00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:11,480 the age of say 15 or 16. 573 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,840 I would be willing to bet that the majority of people and this might be optimistic of 574 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:24,440 me, but I am hesitant to believe that 17 year olds, 18 year olds are absorbing that kind 575 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,120 of ludicrous, weird, strange, quirky kind of videos. 576 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,760 At least when I was that age, which was only a couple of years ago, because I'm not that 577 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,120 old, that would be you. 578 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:43,440 If anybody found out that you were watching some weird TikTok stream of a person pretending 579 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:49,480 to get struck by lightning or me like a cat like your your public life is you might as 580 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:55,160 well dig a hole in the ground and just live in it because your life was over publicly. 581 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,440 And I very much agree to that. 582 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:03,040 I think more than likely the people who are spending money for these situations are people 583 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,600 that's like over the age of 40. 584 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:06,680 Those are the people probably do. 585 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,160 So there's there's either two people who are doing it. 586 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:14,240 The people who, like you said, are rather perverted and they're they're old quacks 587 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:19,440 or they're like 12 year olds, 13 year olds who are just watching the streams and or mommy 588 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,920 and daddy doesn't really check the credit card bill. 589 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,520 And so they don't really know like, oh, can I buy this? 590 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,520 Yeah, sure. 591 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:26,520 Whatever. 592 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:33,640 And so they're young people because at least when I was like, you know, a teenager, like 593 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:40,120 I would if if I if I was interested in something, but I thought it was kind of weird, I would 594 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,960 just forfeit that because I was a cool teenager. 595 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,320 I had to be a macho guy and I couldn't be perceived in that light. 596 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:53,440 And so I would be shocked if the average person and the problem is, is 12 is actually much 597 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:59,960 more of a malleable age, you know, 10, 11, 12, 13 than is 17, 18 or 19. 598 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:06,600 So it's even worse if I agree that the majority is actually 12. 599 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,480 I think the majority. 600 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:16,640 Well, the majority watching, you may be able to argue is like young kids, but the the percentage 601 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:22,200 of people that's making this a trend are the old perverts because they're the ones paying 602 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,760 these people to make and making them so that very well could be. 603 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:33,040 But it's also the the for lack of a better term, the actors in those streams, the influence, 604 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,600 the influencers, let's say. 605 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:41,200 And the reason that that is a problem is because as they do that more, they distance themselves 606 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,440 even further from reality. 607 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:51,760 And they and the reason that they're doing that is because they're just giving into their 608 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,940 fantasies of being popular. 609 00:40:53,940 --> 00:40:56,520 I think we've talked about this before. 610 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:04,400 There's a very big difference now as opposed to 30 years ago of a star. 611 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,400 Right. 612 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:10,960 Ten years ago, like there was only a handful of stars, let alone 20 years ago, let alone 613 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:11,960 30 years ago. 614 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:17,960 If you were a star, that pretty much meant the entirety of America knew who you were. 615 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:23,400 You are a household name like Humphrey Bogart, for example. 616 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,440 Even most people now still know who that is, is the actor from Casablanca. 617 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:35,360 But now like you can even reference a very popular person that I've never heard of. 618 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,200 I hadn't really heard of destiny before you brought him up. 619 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:45,840 But this is a very popular individual, somebody who makes a living off of being an influencer. 620 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,360 And then there's people like Chris Pratt. 621 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,840 There's the movie star actors as well. 622 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,760 But even a relatively famous movie star actor now can still not be a household name. 623 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,240 And there's people that I like and I like to listen to. 624 00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:00,200 You've probably never heard of Jonathan Pagiot. 625 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,040 Have you ever heard of him? 626 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,960 What does he do? 627 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,320 So he's a podcaster and an artist. 628 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,000 Yeah, probably not. 629 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,840 So he's also a very famous individual in the spheres that I like. 630 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:20,760 And so now these TikTok influencers are also being this kind of strange. 631 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:25,400 They have this strange celebrity status that actually serves no function. 632 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,880 But the problem is, is they will have a huge influence on these people who absorb their 633 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,880 contents lives because they're perceived in the status of celebrity, even though all they 634 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,280 do is do weird TikTok dances. 635 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,800 Yeah, that's a problem. 636 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:47,280 But it's very interesting to see how these trends go, because when it comes down to the 637 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:55,680 more, I guess, PG cringe space of TikTok, of becoming popular through, you know, ridiculous 638 00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:02,800 means but to some perverts and some young kids, cute means in a way, or the kind of 639 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:11,080 Belle de Fene types, right, they dress very quirky, they put on makeup to make their skin 640 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,720 very smooth. 641 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:14,400 They're very cute. 642 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,200 They look very pretty in the face. 643 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:23,800 They put on like pink hair or whatever very, very kind of tight or small clothing, maybe 644 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,480 put on some cat ears. 645 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:32,960 So this this this type of actor as we as we're talking about it, are the ones that tend to 646 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:40,700 popularize these very cringe trends that other people hop upon either as a troll, or due 647 00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:42,280 to kind of feed into it. 648 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,960 And obviously, the only people who really make money from it are probably going to be 649 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,900 the the attractive women, right. 650 00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:56,400 But it's interesting to see that this type of individual this type of kind of stereotype 651 00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,920 of a woman who kind of gets this popular, they do this. 652 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,760 And then in terms of like only fan in the porn industry, those type, obviously go in 653 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,320 a very much different route where they make sure they get certain surgeries to make certain 654 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,480 areas look bigger, and all that stuff. 655 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:23,000 So there's there's plenty of perversion to go around for things to kind of get trendy. 656 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:30,840 And I would say what makes the the tick tock live stream a lot more concerning, because 657 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,360 the only fan stuff we're gonna have a whole conversation regarding that. 658 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:39,360 Well, Matt, what makes that concerning is it's kind of pathetic man who wants to be 659 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,680 what the person and you know, gets kind of obsessed with the person. 660 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:49,680 Yeah, what makes the the tick tock stuff kind of very cringe is the person who starts the 661 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,080 trend tends to look very young and be very young. 662 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,000 And not only that, the actions that they're doing, the dances they're doing, the voices 663 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:04,480 they're doing the what they're doing, are kid like these are kid like actions. 664 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,960 These are specifically kid like actions. 665 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:14,800 So what kind of gets popular here are things that may appeal to those kids, obviously, 666 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:20,640 but the purpose that we're referencing are very, very disgusting perverts. 667 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,440 The reason why they like this stuff is because it's a young girl doing it. 668 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,440 And it's because the young girls doing things that is very kiddy like that's why they use 669 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:30,440 a kid voice. 670 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,300 That's why they do kiddy dances. 671 00:45:32,300 --> 00:45:33,360 That's why this happens. 672 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,880 So this this plays into the depravity of certain individuals. 673 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,680 I think there's two prongs to that. 674 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:46,080 I think you're totally right that there is some some pedophilic things about it. 675 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:52,240 But I think there's also I think that the people who do that, who do the acting portion 676 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,640 of this, right? 677 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,600 They're probably also likely to have a large overlap. 678 00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,520 And I don't know if this is entirely true. 679 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,280 This is speculation on my behalf. 680 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:08,440 We have a relatively large overlap of the Disney adult thing of like adults who are 681 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:14,600 still obsessed with Disney and in some they're they're stuck there. 682 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,240 They're forever perpetual children. 683 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:23,720 They're infantilized and they're they're living off two things off of the affirmation of other 684 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:24,720 people. 685 00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:25,720 Right. 686 00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:29,440 Because all they probably do is wake up in the morning and look at their specs on how 687 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,240 many likes they got, comments they got, all these sorts of things. 688 00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:40,080 And then they live off of the notion of being able to recreate and relive childhood memories. 689 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,880 And that's also a problem because it's a lack of psychological and cognitive development. 690 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,560 Yeah, I'm not. 691 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,320 I wouldn't be surprised about that either. 692 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,200 It seems like you have a big issue with Disney. 693 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,200 That's what it seems like. 694 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,880 You have some quorums with Disney. 695 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,040 No, I don't. 696 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,680 You know, I have some qualms with some of the more recent things that they've done. 697 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,880 But you know, I'll I'll admit, I mean, I still watch some of the old Disney movies because 698 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:07,880 they're good. 699 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,560 And there's nothing wrong with on one side or another, you know, every once in a while 700 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,000 being kind of sentimental and going back and watching a childhood favorite movie. 701 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,320 Don't have a problem with that at all. 702 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,520 The problem is when you live through it. 703 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:27,160 And I do think there's something strange about the Disney adults that go back every every 704 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,320 couple of months to go and they don't go with their kids either. 705 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,400 They just go themselves. 706 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,440 Just like the people who I think it was a couple of months ago. 707 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,320 Many people probably maybe don't even realize this, but they relaunched an adult kids meal. 708 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,400 So it was literally a kids that came with a toy but marketed for adults. 709 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,400 Interesting. 710 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,840 I didn't know that McDonald's. 711 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:49,840 Yeah. 712 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:55,080 McDonald's for I think it only lasted for like a couple of weeks, but there was a time 713 00:47:55,080 --> 00:48:00,840 it was like six months ago when they released a adult kids meal. 714 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:01,840 Yeah. 715 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,720 I mean, like you said, they probably plays into the fact that these individuals kind 716 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:10,240 of hate their life and want to go back to when things were better. 717 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:17,520 So you really that one's a little bit a little bit tougher to kind of deal with. 718 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:23,520 But let's move on to the main topic of discussion, abortion. 719 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,280 So I've we talked about a little bit in regards to the abortion discussion. 720 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,960 I think there's kind of two prongs to go over this discussion. 721 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,120 There's politically how you can look at it and obviously morally how you can look at 722 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,120 it. 723 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,120 Of course. 724 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:50,440 But I'll be honest, my moral beliefs and my political beliefs don't necessarily align. 725 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:56,920 When I articulated, I'll be more sure on how it compares to at the very least Jonathan's. 726 00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,680 But I think there I think you can look at this in very a lot of different ways when 727 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,600 it comes down to the abortion discussion. 728 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:11,160 Now, I guess I want to start off with kind of how I see abortion and my opinions about 729 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,160 it. 730 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,960 I've talked about it a few times when it comes down to the podcast. 731 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,440 Obviously, I posted some clips here and there. 732 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,960 And of course, I'm going to have some people agreeing with some sentiments I said, some 733 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,440 people saying, you're a man. 734 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,840 Well, how dare you talk about what a woman can do with her body. 735 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,440 So you know, you're going to get those type of opinions, of course. 736 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,360 And I mean, I don't really care. 737 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,300 I'm just here to have the discussion. 738 00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:39,920 So my thing regarding abortion that I want to make very clear is that I think there is 739 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:49,080 an innate problem when people try to have a discussion in trying to dehumanizing or 740 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,640 tries to dehumanize the fetus. 741 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:53,840 Stop right there. 742 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,120 Yes, this is a little mini ad. 743 00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,120 Don't skip. 744 00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,120 Don't skip. 745 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,600 All I want to tell you right now is that at the end of the day, when it comes down to 746 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,760 all the discussions I want to have, I want to be able to communicate with you, the audience. 747 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:12,120 I want to be able to relay a message and receive a message from everyone and try to come up 748 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,300 with these great solutions that I keep on talking about. 749 00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:19,840 So if you want to be part of the community, make sure you go to the website and sign up 750 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:26,400 for not only the email list, so you can get weekly emails from me for the podcast episode, 751 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:32,080 informational sessions, all that great stuff, but also sign up to go on my Discord so you 752 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,280 can be part of the discussions, debates on my live streams. 753 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:44,320 So be sure to go to the website, www.purplepoliticalbreakdown.com and go to the email list, sign up and go 754 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,460 to the Discord and join the server. 755 00:50:47,460 --> 00:50:49,520 Now back to the episode. 756 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:54,720 And the reason why I find this a problem is one, a fetus is a human. 757 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:56,360 Like we all know that it's a human. 758 00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:02,600 And I think the conversation saying it's, you know, not until it's out of the womb or 759 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,480 until it has consciousness. 760 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,800 I'm willing to engage in the consciousness discussion, but I think that makes things 761 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:09,800 too murky. 762 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:15,480 I think once it kind of develops all its proper features, you can definitively say it's human. 763 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:21,080 But I would say the moment life begins, the spark of life is obviously at conception. 764 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:27,660 So once you recognize that this thing is a human, this fetus is a human, there's a lot 765 00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:30,600 of ways you can kind of go about this. 766 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:35,920 And that's at this point, I don't try to play the moral hierarchy card because I personally 767 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:41,200 believe, and this is probably where someone in my position who said what I just said probably 768 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:46,040 would disagree with what I'm about to say is I don't believe all humans are equal. 769 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,600 I just don't. 770 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:55,320 And the reason why I say that is because generally you could argue humans should be equal, but 771 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,160 realistically they're not. 772 00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:02,680 And there's a lot of different examples and different functions of when a human is treated 773 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:03,680 differently. 774 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,080 There are certain thresholds you can meet that they should have an innate right, but 775 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:14,440 I don't think every human hits that threshold or I don't think every human is at that threshold 776 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,520 at every part of their life based on how, how they live. 777 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,840 And we can go into that a little bit more later. 778 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:29,440 So with that said, because I think that way and I do understand that a fetus is a human, 779 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:36,960 my emotional moral connection to person having an abortion is not there. 780 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,000 I'm not kind of condemning the person if they have an abortion. 781 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,160 If they have a abortion, they have the abortion, that's fine. 782 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:48,840 But you need to recognize that the decisions you led up to you having an abortion is the 783 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:53,260 decision leading up to you getting rid of another human being. 784 00:52:53,260 --> 00:53:00,720 So this, this important, this is important to note because it really sets a type of standard 785 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:06,520 that the actions you are doing consistently aren't an actions of just getting rid of a 786 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,000 bunch of cells. 787 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:13,800 What is an action of getting rid of human, another human being, regardless of, you know, 788 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,200 if you think of it as a lesser level or equal level, it doesn't really matter. 789 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,520 So that's kind of how I perceive the moral argument. 790 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:27,600 And that's why, you know, if you have an abortion, fine, you have an abortion. 791 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,280 We can go into politically where I think you should worship being illegal. 792 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:37,040 We can go into that, but that's kind of how I dive into that the moral argument of what 793 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:43,280 is human, why people shouldn't do it, what precedent my moral standard would set and 794 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,720 how people would think before they just keep on having sex and having babies and getting 795 00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:49,720 pregnant. 796 00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:54,920 So let me, let me hear your thoughts, Jonathan. 797 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,000 So obviously I agree with some of what you said. 798 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:05,840 Obviously I believe that life begins at conception, right? 799 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,880 I don't think abortion should be allowed period because it is a life. 800 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:18,320 And I even to some extent agree with what you said about all humans are not equal, but 801 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,360 all humans are equal in the sight of God. 802 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:24,840 That's the important thing. 803 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,760 That's what our bill of, not our bill of rights, but rather our declaration of independence 804 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:35,560 says is all humans are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. 805 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,440 And a lot of the founding fathers believe that sort of thing, which is why there was 806 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:40,440 such a contentious argument. 807 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,120 I don't want to get into it too much, but around slavery at the time of the founding 808 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,920 because they wrote that down into the initiative. 809 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,520 How do you make them less human so that we can get away with this? 810 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,180 That's obviously a moral failing. 811 00:54:53,180 --> 00:54:58,760 And that's exactly what's going on with the quote unquote fetus. 812 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:03,400 And what most people don't realize is when they use the term fetus, right? 813 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:09,120 Many of our scientific quote unquote terms are actually just Latin words. 814 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:16,560 And the word fetus in Latin means offspring, which is synonymous with the word child. 815 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,220 So even if you use the word fetus, you're still just saying child. 816 00:55:20,220 --> 00:55:24,360 It just sounds less nice. 817 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,640 It sounds less childlike. 818 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,440 It makes it sound less like a child when you use this, a strange Latin word because few 819 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:31,800 people know Latin anymore. 820 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,680 But yeah, they want to dehumanize it. 821 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:35,680 So they use that. 822 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:40,800 They want to dehumanize it, which is exactly what happened with slavery and the early American 823 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,880 founding. 824 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:50,060 But I don't like the idea of abortion, obviously, because I believe that it is murder. 825 00:55:50,060 --> 00:55:54,880 And even the eyes of our laws see it as a murder because if I was to go kill a pregnant 826 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,320 woman right now, I would be charged with a double homicide. 827 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:04,000 And I believe still every state, they'd at least try to peg me with a double homicide 828 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:09,440 because you obviously killed the mother and the baby inside. 829 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,360 And if you don't kill the mother, but the baby doesn't, so like if I was to hit a woman 830 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:18,600 with a car and she was pregnant and the mother didn't die but the baby inside miscarried, 831 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:25,840 I would actually still get charged with vehicular manslaughter because I killed the baby. 832 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,960 So the eyes of our laws still see it as a human life as well. 833 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:39,920 There's a bunch of very philosophical arguments I could make, but I don't want to get overphilosophical. 834 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:45,040 But at the start, that's where I would start on this topic is obviously life begins at 835 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,040 conception. 836 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,120 The fetus, it is a fetus because it's an offspring. 837 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,120 It's a child. 838 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,800 It's a living creature. 839 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,680 There's a lot of scientific things you could get into as well. 840 00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:03,240 But yeah, it is a life and so ending that life is wrong. 841 00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:09,320 So inherently, that's kind of the first thing when it comes to the thresholds. 842 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:15,120 And I mean, I completely understand and I would probably prefer people just see all 843 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,200 human life as like worthy of living. 844 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,200 I would prefer that. 845 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:24,560 It's just, you know, I don't think that's realistic to what society actually is. 846 00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,600 And there are some examples. 847 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,000 So what do you what do you mean by that? 848 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:33,640 Like not everyone is worthy of living? 849 00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,400 You don't think society thinks that way? 850 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,080 No, I don't think society thinks that way. 851 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,960 So what way? 852 00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:47,640 So my thing is there innately, if you meet another random human, you may not want to 853 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:52,840 obviously go into your bag of thoughts and say, yeah, that person doesn't deserve to 854 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:53,840 live. 855 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,760 Probably innately on the general spectrum, you would kind of see any average human without 856 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:03,120 any context as someone that you don't necessarily want to live, but you don't necessarily want 857 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:04,840 to not live. 858 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:11,800 But once you add the context and they're in certain contextual scenarios, you would either 859 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:18,640 risk or allow their life to disappear or adamantly make sure their life is gone. 860 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,960 And in certain examples, that would be, you know, self-defense example, right? 861 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,160 There will be a circumstance where someone is about to threaten you or your family. 862 00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:31,240 And at that point, you decide you're not worth living. 863 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:36,760 And the situations of war, there's plenty of situations where obviously you're going 864 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,520 to have to survive this battlefield and you're going to have to win in behest of your country 865 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,920 or whatever territory you're defending, that person is not worth living. 866 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,280 And the situation with a coma patient. 867 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:53,400 Now, there's a lot of example, permanent coma patient, not just, you know, one that's about 868 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:54,520 to wake up. 869 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:59,280 But there are a lot of kind of arguments behind that one as well in the sense that once you 870 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:06,160 know that they are not going to wake up ever again, at that point, it's not that you want 871 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,720 them to die, but you realize that their life should be forfeited. 872 00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:20,760 So in a general spectrum, I do believe for the most part, barring psychopaths, that people 873 00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,760 don't want other people to disappear. 874 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:29,280 I would even argue generally people appreciate other human lives because we're social creatures, 875 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:30,520 of course. 876 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:37,040 But in a lot of contextual scenarios, there are plenty of circumstances where as a society, 877 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:44,080 we even accept it as you that other person shouldn't be alive, that other person should 878 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:45,080 be dead. 879 00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:49,440 Where religiously, I don't, I mean, for someone that's Christian like yourself, I wouldn't 880 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,040 imagine any of them to think of this way. 881 00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:57,120 But you know, America is not inherently a fully Christian society. 882 00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:02,200 So I think a good chunk of people probably would think this way. 883 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,680 I think that's a little bit cynical. 884 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:10,120 I think most people, I understand where you're coming from. 885 01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:14,760 I think, like I said, I think that's a little bit cynical. 886 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:19,680 I think most people have a general sense of apathy. 887 01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:24,680 And people only really begin to think that way when they're being inconvenienced by other 888 01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:25,800 people. 889 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:31,600 I think when people are inconvenienced by others is when they begin to not really care 890 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,240 if they were around. 891 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:35,240 But I think generally- 892 01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,640 I don't even think that's true. 893 01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:43,840 And what I mean by that is the example I'm about to bring up is not necessarily them 894 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:49,200 wanting the other person to die, but them not caring if they live or die. 895 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,200 And those examples would be people in other countries. 896 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,320 Ukraine and America does not give two shits about other people in other countries that 897 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,640 are dying and in a war currently right now. 898 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:05,000 And we even see people go even further about that when it comes to the Russia-Ukraine situation. 899 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,820 Some people would rather us leave Ukraine alone and just let them all die. 900 01:01:08,820 --> 01:01:16,000 So it even goes beyond inconvenience inherently. 901 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:21,160 And it may be cynical, but the people you probably, the only ones you actually care 902 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:26,560 about whether they live or die are the people within proximity of you. 903 01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,000 Except the really good people like you, Jonathan, who cares about people. 904 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,040 And I appreciate those people who care about people, but I don't think that's normal. 905 01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,680 I can see that. 906 01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:35,680 I can see that. 907 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,400 And I wouldn't say that I'm a very good person. 908 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,600 I'd say that I'm an average person. 909 01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,080 But there's a difference- 910 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:46,080 An average Christian is a good person than like the rest of society. 911 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:47,080 Yeah. 912 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,720 Well, then I'm a below average Christian. 913 01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:54,320 But anyways, the point, like this is a doctrine of the Christian faith, right? 914 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:58,520 That everybody has value in the sight of God. 915 01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,680 And there's something that you brought up that I would also like to address because 916 01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,640 there's some misconceptions. 917 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,560 Because there's some people who we talked about this before, such as Nick Fuentes, who 918 01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:12,960 really, really does a huge disservice to a Christian. 919 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,720 There's this notion, and you brought up you don't really care if somebody has an abortion 920 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,800 or not, right? 921 01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:23,720 They made that decision and they have to face the consequences of that decision. 922 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:29,560 I would say any legitimate Christian, a Christian who has an understanding of the faith and 923 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:38,280 is really earnestly seeking and desiring to be like God, to follow Jesus' command and 924 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,640 be perfect as I am perfect, obviously will never make that standard, but that does not 925 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,080 excuse us from that journey. 926 01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:50,120 There is a very unpopular doctrine of the Christian faith, which is do not judge lest 927 01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,520 ye also be judged. 928 01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:58,000 And some people, some poor Christians, I would say, and I don't mean to be overly harsh, 929 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,640 but some Christians don't think that that means what it means. 930 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,960 That oh, well, he didn't really mean don't judge. 931 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,560 He meant don't judge unfairly. 932 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:09,560 Don't judge this. 933 01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:10,560 No. 934 01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:16,240 When God said don't judge, when Jesus said don't judge, that means don't judge. 935 01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:22,320 And so if someone was to get an abortion, I would be disheartened and I would be sad 936 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,720 that that life was lost. 937 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,440 But at the same time, I don't want to judge that person. 938 01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:33,560 And I might judge them at first glance because I am fallible and I'm a human. 939 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:38,720 But hopefully I would have the wherewithal to then repent for that sin on my behalf. 940 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,880 Because one of the things that is also a Christian doctrine that many people don't realize is 941 01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,760 that God views all sins as the same. 942 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:52,600 It doesn't matter if I lied on my taxes or if I went and committed a murder or if I did 943 01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:53,600 anything. 944 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,920 Jesus views all sins as the same. 945 01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,240 And that stands true for all things. 946 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,600 And so the same thing is true with an abortion. 947 01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:07,960 Somebody who has an abortion is no different than someone who has premarital sex and is 948 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:14,240 no different in the sight of God as someone who one time jaywalked. 949 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,800 Because in a lot of states, jaywalking is illegal. 950 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,200 And if you jaywalk, you can get charged with a crime. 951 01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:21,560 God sees no difference in that. 952 01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:25,560 And so I should seek to have no difference. 953 01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:32,120 There is a difference, however, morally and consequentially to the person like Margaret 954 01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:39,880 Sanger who pushes abortions and sees it as a virtue who is seeking to get rid of a particular 955 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,720 race of people. 956 01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,480 That is a whole different ballpark. 957 01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:44,920 That's a different game. 958 01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:49,560 I am still not speaking on behalf of God saying that God cannot redeem that person. 959 01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:53,560 But that is a different moral sin. 960 01:04:53,560 --> 01:05:01,200 So when it comes to abortion on the personal level, you know I'm sad if you made that decision. 961 01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,880 It doesn't mean you can't be redeemed. 962 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:07,840 That doesn't mean you can't realize an error and try to correct it. 963 01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:15,160 Yeah that's very powerful because even when you come down to either of our kind of moral 964 01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:21,480 systems, my moral system really kind of aligns to understand it's human and because you understand 965 01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,760 it's human you think about your actions more so. 966 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,600 I think that's very powerful. 967 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:32,000 But also the people when it comes down to the decisions that they're making pre and 968 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:39,820 after, I do think I've heard time and time again from anecdotal circumstances or they 969 01:05:39,820 --> 01:05:46,800 either regretted it or they are happy that they didn't do what they were about to do. 970 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:52,000 Because once you realize it, for me, I understand it's human. 971 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,480 Even though you may not agree with the second part like I said, I don't blame you if you 972 01:05:55,480 --> 01:06:00,120 don't agree with the second part about all humans not being equal. 973 01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:01,680 Most people won't agree with it. 974 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:07,160 So if you understand it's human and you do the action, that will affect you for the rest 975 01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,480 of your life, permanently. 976 01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:16,440 And that's something people need to consider because you could do the action. 977 01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:20,680 You could be in your early 20s and do it and whatever. 978 01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:29,160 And then you maybe 32 years old, you found God or you found a more concrete moral structure. 979 01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:34,320 And you realized that when I was in my early 20s, what are you going to think? 980 01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,560 You're going to think to yourself that I killed two people. 981 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,520 That is what's going to happen in that scenario. 982 01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,560 That's what's going to happen in that situation. 983 01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,000 And some people can live with that. 984 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,160 Some people can't. 985 01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,220 Some people will regret it for the rest of their lives. 986 01:06:47,220 --> 01:06:50,040 Some people will seek forgiveness. 987 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:55,800 So either of the systems that we're portraying God. 988 01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,500 Go ahead, finish and then I'll say that's OK. 989 01:06:58,500 --> 01:07:04,600 So either of the systems that we're portraying, what it really provides for people is a sense 990 01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:09,440 of understanding of the actions you're about to commit. 991 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:14,400 And that is important for me because once people truly understand what they're about 992 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:22,280 to do, that is the best deterrent of not doing it versus just people telling people no or 993 01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:23,280 yes. 994 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,800 And we'll go into the stupid arguments of either side, I'm sure. 995 01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,220 And why they say you should or shouldn't do it. 996 01:07:29,220 --> 01:07:31,000 But yeah, go ahead. 997 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,880 So this is something that I've learned from Dostoevsky, right? 998 01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,840 And I'm going to plug my podcast here for a second because I have an episode coming 999 01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:47,320 out I think in two weeks time about this particular book that he wrote called Crime and Punishment. 1000 01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:54,620 And in this book, somebody committed a, you could call it I guess a justified or moral 1001 01:07:54,620 --> 01:07:56,120 murder. 1002 01:07:56,120 --> 01:08:00,520 So he was, the character's name is Raskolnikov. 1003 01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:06,080 And Raskolnikov thought that he could kind of save this city because there's this old 1004 01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:11,600 crone who was just kind of robbing the city blind and she had all the stockpiles of money 1005 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:16,000 and he said that I'm going to become a savior and I'm going to murder that lady, take her 1006 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,760 money and give it around and I'll be a hero. 1007 01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:24,840 And he does it and then as soon as he does it, as soon as he commits the murder, he realizes 1008 01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,680 the heinousness of his actions. 1009 01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,360 Because then he actually kills another person to cover up that murder. 1010 01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,160 So he commits two murders when he's only planning on one. 1011 01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:41,240 And he realized in that moment that the ideology that he had been suffering under immediately 1012 01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:45,040 vanished when he realized the consequences of his actions. 1013 01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,880 And I think this happens a lot with the abortion argument. 1014 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:53,000 There is a whole lot of rhetoric or what I call sophistry. 1015 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:57,920 For those of you who follow me on Twitter, you see that my headline thing, whatever it 1016 01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,360 might be called, is defeating the sophists. 1017 01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,920 Because sophistry and rhetoric is the same thing. 1018 01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,800 Sophistry is making the worst argument the better through clever language. 1019 01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,000 And that's also in a lot of ways what ideology is. 1020 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:19,000 So there's a lot of these women that are captured by this sophistry that oh, it is a good thing 1021 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:24,200 to have this, to kill your child because it'll make you free. 1022 01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,960 It'll make you without consequence. 1023 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,760 It'll make you happier because you won't have this responsibility. 1024 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:35,360 But what happens time and time again, and you can say this anecdotal, but I think this 1025 01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:43,520 would bear out in science, that these people who do it, they come to it maybe right away, 1026 01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,160 maybe in a couple of years, maybe in 10 years' time. 1027 01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:52,840 But they realize all of a sudden the gravity or a lot of times what happens is it's a young 1028 01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,320 girl who wasn't ready to have a baby and got an abortion. 1029 01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,200 And then when she had a baby when she was ready years later and actually was holding 1030 01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:02,840 it realized how horrible her actions were in the past. 1031 01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,960 I think that's what happens most times. 1032 01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,000 And they don't get away with it. 1033 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:14,360 You know, where Skolnikov in that book thought that he could get away with it, but you don't. 1034 01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,360 Nobody ever gets away with anything in their lives. 1035 01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,240 You always face the consequences of your actions. 1036 01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,000 And when you make good decisions, there's good consequences. 1037 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,540 When you make bad decisions, there's bad consequences. 1038 01:10:25,540 --> 01:10:30,640 And those always catch up with you at some point or another. 1039 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:31,880 Fair much agree. 1040 01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:37,080 So I want to dive into kind of the political argument a little bit. 1041 01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:42,720 And I think the importance when people dive into politics, and this is why it kind of 1042 01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:48,760 differentiates itself from my moral standing, is when I'm looking into politics and what 1043 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:54,280 I believe the purpose of politics should be is when you're establishing a type of rule, 1044 01:10:54,280 --> 01:11:01,120 will precedent a solution of a problem or a discussion of a topic. 1045 01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:08,040 This application of said topic is not just for you and the people you care about, but 1046 01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,320 it's for you and the nation as a whole. 1047 01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:18,840 You have to over apply what you're discussing to the populace as a whole and see if it applies. 1048 01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:23,760 I don't believe my moral standing would apply because I don't think people have the nuance 1049 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,920 of thinking to differentiate the things that I was talking about. 1050 01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:34,400 But what I do believe is you can find fine lines to kind of figure out places where people 1051 01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:40,120 all should be able to understand where you lie on either side. 1052 01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:47,280 So when it comes down to the abortion, inherently, I don't care if you make it or I don't care 1053 01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:48,960 if you do it. 1054 01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:54,240 I do think the deterrent that I said earlier would be a great deterrent, but that's just 1055 01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,000 not going to work for people. 1056 01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:04,160 So innately, politically, if I were to argue where is my cutoff line, I would say the moment 1057 01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:11,400 they develop all of their human features is where I would create my cutoff line. 1058 01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,840 And there's two reasons why I believe a cutoff line is important. 1059 01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:20,760 First reason, the cutoff line for the all the human features, all of that is formed. 1060 01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,960 I think that's either 12 or 18 weeks. 1061 01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:29,520 I'm not I don't really remember, but it should be around the first trimester, the end of 1062 01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,240 first trimester. 1063 01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,080 So I'm thinking and a first trimester around there. 1064 01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:37,440 I may be wrong in terms of the time frame. 1065 01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:40,200 But what I'm talking about still applies. 1066 01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:46,040 So the reason why I put it there is because I think it's very easy to distinguish it as 1067 01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:50,440 human because all the features are there to see it as human. 1068 01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:54,800 At that point, the argument is like, oh, it's going to grow into a human. 1069 01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,400 I'm like, the brain is fully developed. 1070 01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,360 So like it is human. 1071 01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,240 It it's just obviously going to keep on developing. 1072 01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,960 I've heard some arguments in terms of structural. 1073 01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,440 The structural formation of the brain is there. 1074 01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:07,980 It's just going to keep on developing. 1075 01:13:07,980 --> 01:13:10,120 The structural formation of all the body is there. 1076 01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:11,600 It's just going to keep on developing. 1077 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:15,840 So it is going to keep on growing and develop. 1078 01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:19,660 You don't stop developing until you're like 25 years old anyway. 1079 01:13:19,660 --> 01:13:24,440 And then it's human easiest way to identify, which is why I would say that's a good cut 1080 01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:27,880 off time, whatever that weak standard is. 1081 01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:31,920 The second part of it, the reason why I think it's important is I feel like it's pretty 1082 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,940 obvious that we need to have a cut off time to when it comes to abortion. 1083 01:13:35,940 --> 01:13:42,320 We shouldn't be allowing abortion willy nilly and people to have an abortion whenever they 1084 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:43,480 want. 1085 01:13:43,480 --> 01:13:46,480 There's so many reasons why that would be problematic. 1086 01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:48,440 One it will start. 1087 01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:52,360 It'll start dehumanizing fetuses more and more. 1088 01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:58,520 The more normalized it becomes if you keep on having abortions, it will feed into the 1089 01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:03,600 promiscuity problem that people are already having in America. 1090 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:08,400 And when it comes down to the population, obviously, if we're not having babies, our 1091 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,240 population is not growing and that's not good either. 1092 01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:18,920 So there are so many reasons why we don't want to just allow anybody at any time to 1093 01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,440 have abortion. 1094 01:14:20,440 --> 01:14:22,320 That is ridiculous. 1095 01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,040 And that's nonsensical. 1096 01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:28,560 So yeah, those are my two reasons why politically we should have it. 1097 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:34,200 And that is my cut off time. 1098 01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:38,400 So I'm you said life begins at conception, though, right? 1099 01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:39,400 I did. 1100 01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:40,400 Yes. 1101 01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:41,400 I think that's when the spark so happens. 1102 01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:42,920 That's when everything starts. 1103 01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,400 What's the what's what's the spark? 1104 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,400 Spark is everything starts. 1105 01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:53,160 The eggs, everything comes together and it's going to grow. 1106 01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:57,920 How I think the best analogy because people try to use the stupid analogy of like, oh, 1107 01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,160 you put a cake in the oven and you're not going to call it a cake. 1108 01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:02,660 I mean, that's such a stupid analogy. 1109 01:15:02,660 --> 01:15:07,360 The better analogy is you put a seed in the ground. 1110 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,660 And you water it. 1111 01:15:09,660 --> 01:15:15,480 The moment you water it and all the nutrients is going to seed at that point. 1112 01:15:15,480 --> 01:15:16,480 With you don't touch it. 1113 01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:19,280 Is it a grow and grow and grow? 1114 01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,760 It's it's it's in the process of being a plant. 1115 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:23,760 It is a plant. 1116 01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:24,760 It's starting. 1117 01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:29,480 And it's very, I'm very interested in the fact that you just use that analogy, right? 1118 01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:31,920 Because that's actually one of the things that I was going to say. 1119 01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:32,920 Right. 1120 01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,880 Aristotle, I'm about to I said I was going to get super philosophical, but here I go. 1121 01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:43,160 Aristotle talks about the concept of like an apple and, you know, there's the all these 1122 01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:46,200 different stages and I don't want to get too into it. 1123 01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:52,920 But one of the things he made an argument that an apple tree is one of the most important. 1124 01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:57,360 And an apple tree is more of an apple than is an apple in some ways. 1125 01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:02,400 And I'm sure there's people who probably get upset with me that I misquoted that or whatever. 1126 01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:08,080 And the reason it is because it has the capabilities of producing more apples. 1127 01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,120 And that's the same thing with the seed. 1128 01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:11,120 Right. 1129 01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:16,920 The seed is so important because if you don't touch it, it then has the capability to produce 1130 01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,560 more seeds. 1131 01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,920 And that's what that's kind of like the commandment that God gave us before. 1132 01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:22,920 Multiply. 1133 01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:26,680 This is one of the problems that I have with, you know, we talked about the over the counter 1134 01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:28,440 abortion pills. 1135 01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:31,120 I think there's a couple problems with that. 1136 01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:40,100 One, we're already having an early stages of a sterility crisis in America because of 1137 01:16:40,100 --> 01:16:41,280 a lot of these things. 1138 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,320 And there's not a whole lot. 1139 01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,660 There's some just broaching field of science. 1140 01:16:45,660 --> 01:16:48,240 So I don't want anybody to come at me. 1141 01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:50,280 But that's something that's beginning to happen. 1142 01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:55,160 I know a whole handful of people who are in the prime stages of life who are having some 1143 01:16:55,160 --> 01:17:02,400 sterility issues right now from from a lot of these what do you call them contraceptive 1144 01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:03,400 pills. 1145 01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:08,300 I totally lost the word for what they're actually called. 1146 01:17:08,300 --> 01:17:11,640 But I think this so that's one aspect of this. 1147 01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,000 The other aspect is birth control. 1148 01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:16,000 Birth control. 1149 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,000 Yes. 1150 01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:18,160 Birth control pills. 1151 01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,760 There's some just just kind of bubbling at the surface. 1152 01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:27,080 A lot of people will call that far right extremist ideologies. 1153 01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,340 But that does seem to be happening. 1154 01:17:29,340 --> 01:17:37,560 On the other end, like you brought up, it will certainly certainly increase the lewd 1155 01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,560 and lasciviousness of young people to a greater extent. 1156 01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:45,880 All of this very hookup culture sort of thing, I think, will certainly be increased by those 1157 01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,680 abortion pills. 1158 01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:49,960 And I don't think that's good. 1159 01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:57,440 I think there's got to be some physiological issues that we can't even foresee right now 1160 01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:02,340 of people who are constantly taking over the counter abortion pills. 1161 01:18:02,340 --> 01:18:06,400 Like the destruction that has to happen to your body if you keep taking those has to 1162 01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:07,400 be astronomical. 1163 01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:16,720 Yeah, I mean, I when it comes to the abortion pill necessarily, that one's a lot more of 1164 01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:22,520 an interesting discussion because like you said, the purpose of these birth control pills 1165 01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,640 or the abortion pill. 1166 01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,680 Well, I'm guessing the O pill. 1167 01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,440 Is it a preventative measure? 1168 01:18:30,440 --> 01:18:34,360 I didn't look into what it does or I don't know a whole lot. 1169 01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:39,960 I'm assuming it's probably along the lines of like a plan B sort of thing. 1170 01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:47,600 Yes, I'm assuming you take it and it kind of prevents pregnancy versus it kills pregnancy. 1171 01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:48,600 That's what I'm assuming. 1172 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:49,600 It would. 1173 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,520 Well, I'm assuming that it's a little bit different than that because then it's just 1174 01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,480 another form of birth control. 1175 01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:58,040 But they're calling it an abortion pill. 1176 01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:03,800 So I'm assuming you can possibly probably excuse me, take it right after you find out 1177 01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,240 that you're pregnant. 1178 01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:09,560 And so it's going to be one of the sort of pills that you get for that. 1179 01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:10,560 But just over the counter. 1180 01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:11,560 I'm going to otherwise. 1181 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,320 Otherwise, they would just call it a birth control. 1182 01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:16,000 Yeah, you're right about that. 1183 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,480 I think it might be pregnant. 1184 01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:22,080 I think more than likely it's something you take after sex. 1185 01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,200 Just period. 1186 01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,640 Just in case. 1187 01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:26,640 I don't know. 1188 01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,920 I don't know the potency of it. 1189 01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:35,880 And I don't know when I'm assuming the effectiveness can only be done in terms of when it's in 1190 01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:41,200 its very, very premature phases, when the cells are too weak to withstand the chemicals 1191 01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:42,480 in the pill. 1192 01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:46,920 And I'm assuming the pills are not strong enough to the point where it won't kill a 1193 01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,240 more matured fetus. 1194 01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:54,880 So I think the probable best way and I'm not a scientist and not even look into what the 1195 01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:56,680 pill inherently does. 1196 01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:00,840 So my assumption is you would take it after you have sex without a condom to make sure 1197 01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,280 you don't get pregnant. 1198 01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:07,960 But it's more than possible that it does have effects that's lasting in the later weeks. 1199 01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,800 I just wouldn't be able to tell you as of right now. 1200 01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,280 So that's an interesting discussion. 1201 01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:17,360 I mean, I've always had a kind of wariness in terms of drugs in general. 1202 01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:21,160 And this is just another addition to that because they can do so many things to your 1203 01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:22,160 body. 1204 01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,320 I don't really take drugs for the most part. 1205 01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:28,720 I mean, I enjoy drinking alcohol when I'm with friends, but I don't drink it daily. 1206 01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:30,000 I don't drink it on my meantime. 1207 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,480 I don't drink it by myself. 1208 01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:33,560 I enjoy smoking weed with them friends. 1209 01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:34,560 I don't look for it. 1210 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:35,560 I don't smoke it by myself. 1211 01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:36,560 I don't smoke cigs. 1212 01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,880 I don't really take any other drugs. 1213 01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:44,800 And it's not like I have this vehemence, you know, scare. 1214 01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:51,440 It's just I don't see a use of taking all this medication or all these different substances, 1215 01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:53,520 which can be unhealthy for your body. 1216 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,100 And for people who have an addictive personality can get you addicted. 1217 01:20:57,100 --> 01:21:02,320 So I mean, I'm under the camp, of course, that more than likely when you take too much 1218 01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:08,760 of anything, it'll be problematic, especially when it's a kind of human orchestrated substance, 1219 01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,820 like all these drugs are in these pharmaceutical pharmacies, of course. 1220 01:21:12,820 --> 01:21:17,360 So that's more of I believe a too much of anything type of situation. 1221 01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:23,260 But like you said, in a circumstance where, you know, people don't see the fetus as human, 1222 01:21:23,260 --> 01:21:27,240 people who think, you know, can have an abortion anytime. 1223 01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:31,320 Those people are the perfect examples of the people who take it too many times and permanently 1224 01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:32,920 affect your body. 1225 01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:37,440 So that is the the dangerous part of these kind of scenarios, especially when it comes 1226 01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:43,920 to these drugs, is that the action that they're committing to kind of cause them from to do 1227 01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:49,840 this is sex and sex is one of the more probably the most pleasurable thing you can do as a 1228 01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,240 human being period. 1229 01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:56,640 And if you can keep on doing it without any consequence, then people will take the easy 1230 01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,640 way out without thinking of the long term effects. 1231 01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:04,160 And we know for a fact that the people who actually have the most sex in the first place 1232 01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:08,460 are people in the more poor and impoverished communities. 1233 01:22:08,460 --> 01:22:13,160 They really don't have anything better to do there around more people, the the values 1234 01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,040 that they have are much lower. 1235 01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:16,260 So they have a lot of sex. 1236 01:22:16,260 --> 01:22:21,360 So these people who already having problems and don't want to pay for more kids are going 1237 01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:28,080 to look at this as the kind of, you know, a blessing in disguise to make sure that they 1238 01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:29,680 don't get pregnant. 1239 01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:34,880 So that kind of leads into a different conversation because we kind of went over the moral systems. 1240 01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,240 We kind of went over the political system. 1241 01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,960 I'm sure yours is a man contraception. 1242 01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:47,840 OK, before we dive into the economic circumstance of abortion, right, I would have to ask you 1243 01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:51,680 because people know where my stance is regarding all these issues. 1244 01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:56,200 It's I'm guessing the same thing is at 18 weeks. 1245 01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,160 People can fact check me if I'm wrong, but you know what I'm talking about when the brain 1246 01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,460 is formed, when the body is formed, no more abortions. 1247 01:23:02,460 --> 01:23:10,480 So there with that said, there is that special exception that people like to use. 1248 01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:13,920 And I'll answer it first, of course, and then you can answer it as well. 1249 01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:19,040 The special exceptions that even conservatives like to adhere to is circumstances regarding 1250 01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:23,500 rape and circumstances regarding incest. 1251 01:23:23,500 --> 01:23:29,360 So in those situations, when it's after the allotted period of, I believe, after the first 1252 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:36,180 trimester, which would I'm sure I'm not going to guess. 1253 01:23:36,180 --> 01:23:38,120 You know what I'm talking about. 1254 01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:43,760 If it were in regards to rape and incest, it's such an interesting conversation because 1255 01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:49,160 inherently, obviously, you don't as a mother, you don't want to have the baby. 1256 01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:55,280 But morally, I would say for sure you can get rid of it because there are so many there's 1257 01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,900 so many issues regarding that situation. 1258 01:23:57,900 --> 01:24:06,920 And more than likely, my my imagination is if the trauma is severe enough, they would 1259 01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:11,760 apply the trauma of the attacker to the baby immediately. 1260 01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:17,360 Now there are examples where the mother still loves the baby despite the trauma. 1261 01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:22,600 But you know, I'm not willing to take that gamble in considering the circumstance in 1262 01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,860 the situation in general. 1263 01:24:24,860 --> 01:24:28,680 So I'd say it's probably better to kind of get rid of it. 1264 01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,480 But obviously, foster care or orphanage is a solution. 1265 01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:36,320 But I don't really trust those institutions that much either. 1266 01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:42,960 So with that said, when it comes to politically, I would say in those circumstances of a person 1267 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:51,920 gets raped, I would especially if she's really young, I would say I'm OK with that. 1268 01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:56,720 In terms of incest, I don't think that's a valid enough reason. 1269 01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:58,120 You did it. 1270 01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:01,800 Even if you're stupid enough to do with your your sister or your brother. 1271 01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,680 I'm a Emma. 1272 01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:09,400 But that that goes into the question of eugenics and like, should we want more babies that 1273 01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,480 are potentially mentally incapable? 1274 01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:14,000 That's a different conversation. 1275 01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,480 But rape for sure. 1276 01:25:15,480 --> 01:25:18,980 But let me hear what you got to say, Jonathan. 1277 01:25:18,980 --> 01:25:25,880 Rape and incest, how you feel about those as conditions of having a abortion? 1278 01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:32,480 Inherently, I don't like set policy based on such a small fraction of the individuals 1279 01:25:32,480 --> 01:25:39,160 who are getting abortions, the vast, vast majority of them are not getting who are who are getting 1280 01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:43,160 abortions are not the ones who were raped incest. 1281 01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:48,240 I think is an interesting thing because a lot of people just can't come on that real 1282 01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,740 quick and they continue. 1283 01:25:50,740 --> 01:25:55,480 I don't like setting policy as well on exceptions, but I do think you should have conditions 1284 01:25:55,480 --> 01:25:56,480 for exceptions. 1285 01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:57,480 Sure. 1286 01:25:57,480 --> 01:25:58,480 OK. 1287 01:25:58,480 --> 01:26:04,840 So incest, I think, is an interesting thing because I feel like the majority of incest 1288 01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:09,680 cases are probably just also great. 1289 01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:13,680 Maybe there are those people who really just like, man, your sister looked at you wrong 1290 01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:14,680 the one day. 1291 01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:15,680 Your brother looked at you wrong the one day. 1292 01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:18,120 And I mean, Alabama, that's no. 1293 01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:19,120 I'll bet. 1294 01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:20,120 Yeah. 1295 01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,080 You know, but I feel like that's probably also just rape. 1296 01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:26,840 But I feel like that's a euphemistic term that they just combine together. 1297 01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:32,280 Rape and incest to try to make the category seem like it's bigger than it is. 1298 01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:37,200 And I could be wrong, but I think that's just because you never hear whenever people are 1299 01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:41,760 making the arguments for abortions, they never say because of rape or because of incest. 1300 01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:43,680 It's rape and incest. 1301 01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:48,240 Even though I feel like most cases of incest, they are probably rape. 1302 01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,880 So it's really just rape. 1303 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:51,880 Could be wrong. 1304 01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,880 That's how I look at that sort of thing, though. 1305 01:26:54,880 --> 01:27:03,040 Regardless of that, I still, this is probably very unpopular, but I don't like to play God. 1306 01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:04,560 I don't like to play God. 1307 01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:11,160 And having an abortion in my perspective, in my view, is a way of playing God. 1308 01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:14,780 And I say this because I believe in a loving God. 1309 01:27:14,780 --> 01:27:19,720 And I believe in his promise that he works out all things for the good of those who diligently 1310 01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:23,000 seek after him and are called in according to his purpose. 1311 01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:27,440 And many individuals will be much more cynical than I am. 1312 01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:32,840 And maybe I'm a fatally optimistic, I'm one of the least optimistic persons that I know 1313 01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:37,760 personally, so I don't particularly think that. 1314 01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:43,960 But saying that is very unpopular because people, even something that you just said, 1315 01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:51,440 Rachel, I don't trust the foster care system, the adoption system. 1316 01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:54,240 I think adoption and foster care can be separated. 1317 01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,280 I think you can give the baby up for adoption. 1318 01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:03,020 There's plenty of people, I know several people that are on waiting lists to get adoptions, 1319 01:28:03,020 --> 01:28:08,240 but our adoption system sucks because they charge you like $60,000 plus to just adopt 1320 01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,280 the baby. 1321 01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:16,960 And I think when we have a system that preserves the woman's life, or preserves the baby's 1322 01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:26,040 life rather, that should be the primary goal is ensuring that that baby survives and is 1323 01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,640 given into a loving home. 1324 01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:35,600 I think there is one difference, there's one exception that is I think a very fine line, 1325 01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:44,080 but it is when the woman's life is going to be lost if this baby is carried to term. 1326 01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:50,600 That's when I have a very big moral quandary about what do we do in that instance. 1327 01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,400 I haven't figured that out for myself yet. 1328 01:28:53,400 --> 01:29:00,800 I think in that case, the woman's life is probably the thing that we should attempt 1329 01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:04,120 to preserve. 1330 01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,600 But I'm not sure about that. 1331 01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:14,160 When it comes to just abortions in general, I think they should always, always be shied 1332 01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:15,560 away from. 1333 01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:16,840 Always. 1334 01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:21,800 In every instance, in every case, it should, I just don't, it's not right. 1335 01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,200 It's a sin in my opinion. 1336 01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:26,960 It doesn't mean that God can't rectify that. 1337 01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:32,640 It doesn't mean that that can't be recovered from, but I do not think it is correct to 1338 01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,640 kill a child. 1339 01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:40,800 I'm going to kind of go back in my incest point. 1340 01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:45,240 I'm going to say I'm okay with incest, getting rid of that. 1341 01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:48,440 We don't need more incest babies. 1342 01:29:48,440 --> 01:29:49,440 I'm sorry. 1343 01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:51,400 We don't need more. 1344 01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:58,460 But I'm going to have to push you on a particular point because this is important because this 1345 01:29:58,460 --> 01:30:04,200 is something, and I agree, it's a very rare exception, but it is a circumstance that does 1346 01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:05,200 happen. 1347 01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:12,080 I've given an example of it happening recently-ish when Roe v. Wade got overturned. 1348 01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:17,480 And it's the situation where there's a young underage, under puberty girl. 1349 01:30:17,480 --> 01:30:20,200 I know exactly what story you're talking about. 1350 01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:27,200 And they spent a long time trying to find out who that woman was and she did not exist. 1351 01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,000 Fair enough. 1352 01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:33,280 Right after Roe v. Wade, because I looked into that and nobody could find out who that 1353 01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:34,280 person was. 1354 01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:37,200 It was like a young 13 year old girl who was raped. 1355 01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:40,160 And she was forced to carry the baby to term. 1356 01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:44,760 A bunch of investigative reporters tried to find out who that girl was and nobody could 1357 01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:46,040 find out who it was. 1358 01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:47,400 Hey, that's fine. 1359 01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:52,040 I'm not going to talk too much about that story, but the circumstances is what's important 1360 01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:57,020 in this search situation because it can happen. 1361 01:30:57,020 --> 01:31:03,200 And I'm sure it has happened where an underage girl was raped and got pregnant. 1362 01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:10,100 So in the situation where this underage girl was raped and got pregnant and she wanted 1363 01:31:10,100 --> 01:31:14,320 to get an abortion, I'm not talking about your moral standard. 1364 01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:22,120 I'm talking about policy wise, policy wise, which I think is different for me anyway. 1365 01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:27,480 Would you allow her to get an abortion or would you not allow her to get an abortion? 1366 01:31:27,480 --> 01:31:32,040 And the reason why I'm portion you, not because I'm trying to do anything crazy, because these 1367 01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:36,520 are questions, especially in an abortion debate that will be asked. 1368 01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:42,080 And these are the tough ones that you have to either stay in ground or be able to answer. 1369 01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:47,960 Yeah, no, I agree that it's important to push back on these sorts of things. 1370 01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,080 I don't know that I would. 1371 01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:56,660 I don't know that I would allow that because two right or two wrongs don't make a right. 1372 01:31:56,660 --> 01:31:59,720 So if she was raped, that's obviously horrible. 1373 01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:06,200 And I think that if you rape a child and people will always say, well, how is this different? 1374 01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:12,760 I think that that man who raped that child should plausibly be executed. 1375 01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:19,280 And people say, how is that congruent, believing in the death penalty, how is that congruent 1376 01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:24,360 with abortion, like those things, like how is that different? 1377 01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:25,520 How do you separate that? 1378 01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:32,640 Well, one, because somebody, the person who is being executed has infracted upon the societal 1379 01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:37,080 standards that we have agreed as a human species. 1380 01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:41,840 And if he decided to act like a barbarian and act like a wild animal, then he should 1381 01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,960 be treated like a wild animal. 1382 01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:48,960 And the Bible has very many instances of the death penalty being put in. 1383 01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:53,760 It is not something that God frowns upon when you break his commandments. 1384 01:32:53,760 --> 01:33:00,280 I believe that if there is opportunity for him to repent before God, he can repent before 1385 01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:01,480 God and God can save him. 1386 01:33:01,480 --> 01:33:06,840 But that does not forfeit your physical consequences on earth. 1387 01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:09,800 The child made no infractions. 1388 01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:16,100 The child that is now born inside of that woman has not committed any sin, has not violated 1389 01:33:16,100 --> 01:33:17,320 any human standards. 1390 01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:20,600 In fact, is doing exactly what that should be doing. 1391 01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:27,000 It is growing and hopefully it can live a flourishing life and God can turn that bad 1392 01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:31,360 situation for the good of both parties involved. 1393 01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:36,820 And so I do not like to play God and say, oh no, because right when you are in my shoes, 1394 01:33:36,820 --> 01:33:41,480 when you live the experiences that I have lived, I do not want to do the my lived experience 1395 01:33:41,480 --> 01:33:42,480 thing. 1396 01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:46,800 But when you see the world perspective that I see, I happen to very adamantly believe 1397 01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,680 that God is real. 1398 01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:51,080 I do not like to play God. 1399 01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:59,440 I do not like to buffer my thing by saying, oh God probably will not, when usually he 1400 01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:00,440 does. 1401 01:34:00,440 --> 01:34:01,440 In fact, that is one of the promises. 1402 01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:07,200 I cannot separate the reality of God from the way that I perceive things politically, 1403 01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:08,200 morally, philosophically. 1404 01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:11,680 It is something that permeates every aspect of my life. 1405 01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:18,560 It is something that is an application that I apply wholly to all situations. 1406 01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,200 And a lot of people disagree with that perspective. 1407 01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:24,520 Even a lot of Christians do not even believe in that way. 1408 01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:29,000 They separate their morals and their beliefs at church from what should happen in policy. 1409 01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,200 I do not make that distinguishing. 1410 01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:35,680 One of the reasons I do not is because America was founded on Christian principles and our 1411 01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:41,120 government, this is one of the things that our founding fathers said, is that our government 1412 01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:45,840 is set up, a government's job is to serve its people and ensure the flourishing of a 1413 01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:51,080 society and you do not get a flourishing society when the young are being killed, when the 1414 01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:53,200 babies are not allowed to be born. 1415 01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:58,200 Because then if we keep killing all of our offspring, then there is not going to be anybody 1416 01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:02,360 to keep flourishing because we are all going to be gone. 1417 01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:09,440 Regardless, if it is a 13 year old girl, I do not want to demean the trauma that must 1418 01:35:09,440 --> 01:35:10,800 happen. 1419 01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:21,800 But I would rather make sure that that young woman is given what she needs to, I do not 1420 01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:25,540 want to say come to terms because it sounds so animal and brutal, but the help that she 1421 01:35:25,540 --> 01:35:29,120 needs psychologically and emotionally. 1422 01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:33,600 I think she should start going to church obviously because that is what will help with that. 1423 01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:41,200 But killing the baby does not make the situation better. 1424 01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:47,760 This is something that Socrates says, it is better to have a moral sin committed against 1425 01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:51,380 you than to commit a moral sin. 1426 01:35:51,380 --> 01:35:57,680 One thing is something done to me physically, the other is something that I have done that 1427 01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,520 encroaches and kills a part of my soul. 1428 01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:03,960 This is one of the things he talks about very often. 1429 01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:08,280 It is better to have something done to you than to do something to somebody else. 1430 01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:13,040 So I think that more damage will be done if she is raped and then kills the baby than 1431 01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:16,760 if she is raped and then gives birth to the baby. 1432 01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:22,100 If she keeps the baby in that aspect or gives up her adoption is a different story. 1433 01:36:22,100 --> 01:36:25,040 But that is what I believe about that. 1434 01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:34,240 So I appreciate you kind of keeping it consistent because a lot of these times, especially once 1435 01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:40,400 you truly believe that this is killing a baby, it only makes sense for you to kind of go 1436 01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,520 down this line of reasoning. 1437 01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:49,060 So I guess the follow up question for this for you would be how would you handle the 1438 01:36:49,060 --> 01:36:50,560 next step? 1439 01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:56,600 Would the expectation be that a 13 year old now has to raise a baby that wasn't something 1440 01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:58,280 she planned? 1441 01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:03,240 Or should the baby go into the foster care system and the dosim system that we don't 1442 01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:04,240 trust? 1443 01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:09,480 What do you think would be more conducive to the baby living that new life that you're 1444 01:37:09,480 --> 01:37:11,760 talking about? 1445 01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:17,960 So I think if the mother is willing to, she should be allowed to keep the baby. 1446 01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:25,800 If she doesn't want to, I would try to keep the baby away from the foster care system. 1447 01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:34,160 I think the government does a very bad job with the regulation of adoption. 1448 01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:39,800 Because I had family members that tried to adopt, friends that tried to adopt, but they 1449 01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:45,280 have such a hard time adopting American children that what they end up doing is going over 1450 01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:51,040 to places like Africa and adopting kids from there because it's so much easier. 1451 01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:55,440 Adoption is not very easy in our society today. 1452 01:37:55,440 --> 01:38:00,100 I can speculate as to why that is, I'm not going to do that though. 1453 01:38:00,100 --> 01:38:07,240 But I think we should make concerted efforts to make adoption more possible for people. 1454 01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:12,340 I also think that those who are going to adopt should be very thoroughly vetted. 1455 01:38:12,340 --> 01:38:16,280 Because this is one of the problems with the foster care system, right? 1456 01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:21,320 If you sign up with the foster care system, if you pass the stuff, they really don't regulate 1457 01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:26,800 it a whole lot and so people can get stuck in very bad situations. 1458 01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:33,640 The other solution that I would say that will also be unpopular because of some historical 1459 01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:40,840 possible misconceptions but also real stories is making churches a refuge for these kinds 1460 01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:47,120 of broken down people from the girls who are trying to put their kids up for adoption. 1461 01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:52,080 I think the church has an obligation to the widow and the orphan. 1462 01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:54,960 This is something that Jesus also told us to do. 1463 01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,800 We are as the body of the church. 1464 01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,400 The church can mean more than one thing. 1465 01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:06,280 It can mean the building, but also people who go in my circles of belief believe that 1466 01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:09,420 the church is the people. 1467 01:39:09,420 --> 01:39:12,000 The fellow Christians are the church. 1468 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:17,680 Christians should do a much better job about attempting and desiring to adopt children 1469 01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:21,600 because we have an obligation to the widow and the orphan. 1470 01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:23,640 I think that those are the two things. 1471 01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:31,400 We should make adoption more readily accessible than it is and we should also as the church, 1472 01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:40,240 they should also be a...the church is an institution that should be much easier to get support 1473 01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:43,280 from and fall into when you're in need. 1474 01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:49,040 People will find that unpopular because they associate Christian with some pretty negative 1475 01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:56,520 things, but I just am speaking as kind of a religious institute, an institution of a 1476 01:39:56,520 --> 01:40:00,320 political institution because politics just means public. 1477 01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:05,280 The church is supposed to be a public institution, so it should be something that should be able 1478 01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:08,160 to be relied upon by the public. 1479 01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,160 Fair enough. 1480 01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:12,660 Fair enough. 1481 01:40:12,660 --> 01:40:17,040 The last thing that I want to go over in terms of this abortion discussion, because when 1482 01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:22,640 it comes to the adoption of foster care, scenario, circumstance, that is, I've said it plenty 1483 01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:29,840 of times, is the whole other discussion, because I do think there's a valid criticism, very 1484 01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:33,400 valid criticism for the adoption system, foster care. 1485 01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:40,200 There's a lot of hysteria and truthful notions of abuse and inefficiencies behind both systems. 1486 01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:45,680 I've actually had someone come on my podcast that was adopted and she talked about her 1487 01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:47,120 experience a little bit. 1488 01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:54,200 So there's a scare when it comes to the system to the point where it's arguably, arguably 1489 01:40:54,200 --> 01:41:01,680 the most untrustworthy or untrusted institution in America by the public. 1490 01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:08,080 I would guess if you did a survey on which system do you like least without no media 1491 01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:14,840 bias with the police or the FBI or whatever from the right and the left, I would assume 1492 01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:17,880 the adoption of foster care system would be number one. 1493 01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:19,880 I would assume so. 1494 01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:25,000 But with that said, I want to dive into one more aspect, one final aspect in regards to 1495 01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:26,000 the abortion discussion. 1496 01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:31,440 I'm not going to dive into my body, my choice, because I think that's a stupid argument and 1497 01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:34,760 I've never heard a good argument for that discussion. 1498 01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:38,160 If somebody wants to have that discussion, I'm sure you're going to comment in whatever 1499 01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:42,240 clips that I post out and I'm not going to engage with the conversation. 1500 01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:48,280 So with that said, the more interesting conversation I'm willing to discuss is regarding the economic 1501 01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:49,280 one. 1502 01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:51,680 I was touching upon it a little bit earlier. 1503 01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:58,440 So the economic discussion is in reference to most of these scenarios that we're going 1504 01:41:58,440 --> 01:42:03,760 to discuss when it comes down to abortion are going to be people that are low income 1505 01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:07,800 are going to be people who are probably more impoverished, more than likely it's going 1506 01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:13,300 to be a minority, of course, and maybe even a very, very young individual. 1507 01:42:13,300 --> 01:42:17,280 So these are going to be situations where there's not going to be a lot of money, a 1508 01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:23,720 lot of accessible funds to maybe even start a family, continue a family, begin a family. 1509 01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:29,880 So the discussion behind the legitimacy abortion is not necessarily I'm boarding because I'm 1510 01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:36,760 poor, but it's in regards to the current climate of society. 1511 01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:42,200 And you can argue and Jonathan may argue that abortion can help with this. 1512 01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:47,040 But the current climate of society when it comes down to these communities is that there's 1513 01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:53,400 a lot of sex, there's a lot of promiscuity, there's a lot of drugs, lewdness, it's just 1514 01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:56,960 not in a kind of very cohesive environment. 1515 01:42:56,960 --> 01:43:02,960 And many of these communities, we have situations where there's absentee fathers that we've 1516 01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:08,400 talked about time and time and time again, we have single mothers, we have broken homes, 1517 01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:14,320 we have kids growing mental illnesses or kids growing very bad behaviors turning into some 1518 01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:18,200 of the worst people because of these situations. 1519 01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:25,280 So the the way promiscuity is going to go down is more of a culture shift. 1520 01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:32,320 So I can't really see a situation where you just say abortion is banned and it's going 1521 01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:33,640 to fix this scenario. 1522 01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:37,440 It may and we can potentially talk about that. 1523 01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:47,560 But the reason why I bring this up is because in a situation where the abortion is completely 1524 01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:52,560 illegal, because in my in my scenario, abortion is still legal. 1525 01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:58,360 I think it should be to an extent that I already said. 1526 01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:02,720 But this is more of a question for Jonathan, because this is another thing you would kind 1527 01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:05,840 of run into, of course. 1528 01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:12,120 The question would be for you is if you're making it completely illegal and the promiscuity 1529 01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:16,240 does not go down, the lewdness that we're discussing does not go down. 1530 01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:20,360 Wouldn't that just add on to the problems that currently exist in terms of these impoverished 1531 01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:24,640 communities and the culture creating more broken homes, creating more deadbeats? 1532 01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:29,200 Wouldn't that make things worse? 1533 01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:31,740 So no, I don't think it would. 1534 01:44:31,740 --> 01:44:33,600 And here's why. 1535 01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:37,600 So Thomas Sowell, once again, actually points this out. 1536 01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:48,360 A lot of the stereotypical minority behavior that we see, you know, the broken homes, the 1537 01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:55,440 absentee fathers, it first began around the late 50s, early 60s. 1538 01:44:55,440 --> 01:45:05,920 And what started happening around the 50s and 60s was Planned Parenthood being instituted 1539 01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:11,960 in minority neighborhoods and the government subsidizing single mothers. 1540 01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:17,680 And so what seems to have happened is when they started subsidizing single mothers and 1541 01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:19,200 really churning out. 1542 01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:27,120 I mean, there was a time when Planned Parenthood would have representatives inside of minority 1543 01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:32,000 schools and inner city schools and they would hand pamphlets out to young women saying, 1544 01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:35,620 hey, if you get pregnant, don't worry, you can just kill the baby. 1545 01:45:35,620 --> 01:45:42,120 And so then what happened is the woman had no incentive to keep the man around because 1546 01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:46,080 they would get more money if the man wasn't around because the government would start 1547 01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:47,080 paying them. 1548 01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:50,200 But they decided they didn't want the kid, they could just go down to the abortion clinic 1549 01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:53,680 and kick it out. 1550 01:45:53,680 --> 01:46:01,480 And so removing those options would actually help them because that would give incentives 1551 01:46:01,480 --> 01:46:05,780 to both the man to stay with the woman and the woman to stay with the man. 1552 01:46:05,780 --> 01:46:11,240 And so I think that would actually begin to build family structure because they would 1553 01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:14,840 once again need each other. 1554 01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:20,460 So there would be hopefully, there could become once again a wanting of each other. 1555 01:46:20,460 --> 01:46:24,840 And I think inherently there is, but we have this notion now that there's a soulmate out 1556 01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:25,840 there for everyone. 1557 01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:29,840 And so, and you can only find that soulmate by sleeping with as many girls as you can. 1558 01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:32,160 And then eventually you'll find the one. 1559 01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:33,400 But I don't think that's true at all. 1560 01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:35,120 That's the type of thing with time. 1561 01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:40,160 But not only hopefully could we create a wanting of families to come back together, but we 1562 01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:43,240 would create a need for them to come back together. 1563 01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:50,840 If we got rid of the options of subsidizing a single parent and then making it very easy, 1564 01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:54,880 accessible and cheap to kill your children. 1565 01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:59,720 So I've definitely heard the conversation and discussion and Thomas told someone I've 1566 01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:06,800 heard from, of course, in regards to welfare and abortion playing into welfare, parenthood 1567 01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:13,400 playing into the current kind of decline of these more impoverished minority communities. 1568 01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:20,320 And I'm unsure if it's a direct cause and effect relationship versus it could be a potential 1569 01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:26,720 tangential one or a potential coincidence. 1570 01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:33,200 And I'm not denying the possibility because there's a legitimacy in terms of the logic 1571 01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:40,400 behind what you said in terms of you give them benefits, you incentivize them to be 1572 01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:43,320 alone due to welfare. 1573 01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:48,280 You give them the option of getting rid of the baby to have more kind of dopamine hits 1574 01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:50,240 of sex constantly. 1575 01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:56,320 So they're logical, plausible reasoning behind what you're saying. 1576 01:47:56,320 --> 01:48:02,960 But I'm not going to engage into the potential cause of the current climate right now. 1577 01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:09,600 What I am going to bring up is the current climate because just because that may or may 1578 01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:18,660 not be the causal relationship doesn't necessarily mean that reverting back to a preliminary 1579 01:48:18,660 --> 01:48:22,600 status quo will solve current issues. 1580 01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:32,560 And with the current way that human American citizens are thinking, the individuality that 1581 01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:35,600 they automatically admit to themselves. 1582 01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:40,520 Matter of fact, they see themselves as themselves more than they see themselves even as a Christian 1583 01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:42,440 or an American. 1584 01:48:42,440 --> 01:48:49,120 The fact that they believe that they're entitled to certain ways of living with abortion, with 1585 01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:53,540 promiscuity, with lewdness. 1586 01:48:53,540 --> 01:49:01,800 With these things in mind, there is no guarantee that returning to the status quo will solve 1587 01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:02,800 this issue. 1588 01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:03,800 And that's why... 1589 01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:08,200 So I can actually speak to that. 1590 01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:12,760 And so there's an article by Dr. Case and Dr. Deaton. 1591 01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:19,800 And the article is primarily concerned with midlife mortality. 1592 01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:21,840 And so it's a bunch of... 1593 01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:29,560 It can also be applied broadly to the depression rates and all these things and economic depression 1594 01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:33,760 because it talks about that in the article as well, talks about the rise of suicide among 1595 01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:34,760 middle-aged people. 1596 01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:39,680 And I think it can apply to this topic in this manner. 1597 01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:46,800 These two professors, very prestigious professors at very prestigious universities, they talk 1598 01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:55,360 about a couple of potential reasons as to why there is this rise of depression and rise 1599 01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:58,200 of midlife mortality. 1600 01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:07,360 And one of the possible scenarios they talk about is lack of community and family breakdown. 1601 01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:10,800 That's a very current perspective. 1602 01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:16,520 They were very particular and when they talked about the community breakdown though, they 1603 01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:25,520 used this idea of the shift to evangelicalism for Christians away from what used to be the 1604 01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:28,480 status quo of Catholicism. 1605 01:50:28,480 --> 01:50:32,500 And I'm not a Catholic, I'm actually an evangelical. 1606 01:50:32,500 --> 01:50:39,400 But when they spoke about Catholicism, there was a community religion. 1607 01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:42,480 Catholicism is inherently a community religion. 1608 01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:45,280 So everybody shares it. 1609 01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:51,120 Evangelicalism talks about what you were just referencing, your individual experience with 1610 01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:52,120 Jesus. 1611 01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:57,360 And so everybody today is all about their individual experience. 1612 01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:03,320 And I think that is an important part, but there should also be a communal aspect of 1613 01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:04,320 it. 1614 01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:07,760 This is why we're to not forsake the assembling together of the saints. 1615 01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:15,320 But to your point about everybody caring about their personal satisfaction, their personal 1616 01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:21,640 happiness, everybody you said we can't rely on old status quo's or old norms. 1617 01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:23,920 And to that I say why. 1618 01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:28,560 Because just because something is happening now doesn't inherently make it better than 1619 01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:30,440 what has happened in the past. 1620 01:51:30,440 --> 01:51:35,600 I've talked about this before on your show and on my show. 1621 01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:43,120 We have a very very large ego on us when we say that for some reason, somehow in the last 1622 01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:48,120 couple of years, we have overcome thousands of years of history, thousands of years of 1623 01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:49,520 something that's worked. 1624 01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:57,800 Is it more likely that we have learned some more secret knowledge, we've discovered something 1625 01:51:57,800 --> 01:52:01,080 that the greatest thinkers of history have ever found? 1626 01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:05,080 Or is it more likely that maybe we're just misthinking about something? 1627 01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:11,040 I think it's kind of a false flag to say, well we can apply standards and norms that 1628 01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:16,080 existed in the 60s because we're different now. 1629 01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:20,000 Just because something is different doesn't make it better, but also by the same token 1630 01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:23,120 just because something is older doesn't make it better either. 1631 01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:27,000 But something that worked for hundreds of years I think is better than something that 1632 01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:30,320 is very obviously not working now. 1633 01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:36,000 The problem is we are a very very selfish creature, us humans. 1634 01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:39,200 And this is true for me as well as other people. 1635 01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:42,800 I am selfish when it comes to certain things, no doubt about it. 1636 01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:49,240 But hopefully when I realize that my selfishness is actually getting in front of my way of 1637 01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:57,760 flourishing, of my becoming better, I will have the ability to let go of my selfishness 1638 01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:59,520 to improve myself. 1639 01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:02,080 And it will be painful at the outset. 1640 01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:09,460 When you have an old bad habit that you know you've got to break, it is harder for a while 1641 01:53:09,460 --> 01:53:16,080 before it gets better, but eventually we can get to the point where even though something 1642 01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:22,520 gave us instantaneous gratification, we can defer that to long term gratification. 1643 01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:29,080 Which once again scientific study after scientific study, but also anecdotal and historical evidence 1644 01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:32,200 has shown us is much much better. 1645 01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:38,180 So I don't care much for the argument that oh well now is different than what it was 1646 01:53:38,180 --> 01:53:42,760 before, you know the new way that the Americans think is different than the way that Americans 1647 01:53:42,760 --> 01:53:43,760 used to think. 1648 01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:49,920 Well that is true, that doesn't make our thinking better by any stretch of the imagination. 1649 01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:54,920 I would agree that it doesn't make our thinking better, but what I will say is that it makes 1650 01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:57,040 our thinking involved. 1651 01:53:57,040 --> 01:53:58,580 And I think that's the important thing. 1652 01:53:58,580 --> 01:54:05,040 If you want to establish a set status quo from back then, there is possible possibilities 1653 01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:10,120 that it could work, but it can't work the way it was used back then. 1654 01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:14,360 It would have to be adapted to how things are now. 1655 01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:21,120 Because the way that people are is not a circumstance of people are they are now because you know 1656 01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:26,520 we just you know rule a couple years later down the line and generations down the line. 1657 01:54:26,520 --> 01:54:33,200 We grew to how we are now due to technology, due to social media, due to cultural norms 1658 01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:38,400 changing, the interpretation of women going into the workforce, minorities going into 1659 01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:44,240 the workforce, immigrants getting adapted to American society, different policies including 1660 01:54:44,240 --> 01:54:46,440 abortion, including the uses of guns. 1661 01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:51,320 A lot of things have changed constantly and evolved from how they were then. 1662 01:54:51,320 --> 01:54:57,120 And although I would say that there's more I would agree, like I said I already said 1663 01:54:57,120 --> 01:55:02,520 this but I would agree that doesn't make our thinking now better, but it makes the living 1664 01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:08,680 that we are currently in America now in terms of society in general in terms of standard, 1665 01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:13,560 not standard of living but in terms of ease of living now it's better. 1666 01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:19,240 But the problem what we're having now is we're too progressive without considering how to 1667 01:55:19,240 --> 01:55:23,080 conserve the important things of what it means to be human. 1668 01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:29,600 We're going so fast that we're not understanding important principles and those important principles 1669 01:55:29,600 --> 01:55:32,960 can overlap with something like Christianity. 1670 01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:37,080 I do think there's things that you can create yourselves but I think the easiest way is 1671 01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:43,200 for a certain step, a certain foundational principle like a religion, like a even you 1672 01:55:43,200 --> 01:55:48,720 can refer to a status quo, establishing those type of principles into people so they understand. 1673 01:55:48,720 --> 01:55:54,320 So when we go on the internet we introduce ourselves to a lot of different people, we 1674 01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:59,520 grow our perspective and our ability to communicate to a lot of different cultures, religions, 1675 01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:04,520 and understand a lot of different individuals at a different level than we have ever done 1676 01:56:04,520 --> 01:56:07,680 before in terms of consuming information. 1677 01:56:07,680 --> 01:56:14,080 We get all that but the problem with that huge amount of information that we're consuming 1678 01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:19,880 and the interactions we are interacting with is that we don't have that proper nuance. 1679 01:56:19,880 --> 01:56:25,640 We're not conserving the proper principles in terms of human interaction and human communication. 1680 01:56:25,640 --> 01:56:31,000 So over excess of information can do a lot of dangers. 1681 01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:35,540 It can easily manipulate you especially if there's an algorithm that keeps on pushing 1682 01:56:35,540 --> 01:56:38,120 you to a certain way of thinking. 1683 01:56:38,120 --> 01:56:42,880 It can easily kind of put you in an echo chamber that's not necessarily part of your community 1684 01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:47,480 but you believe it's bigger than your community because it's online where millions of people 1685 01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:48,480 are. 1686 01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:54,120 So you can see that even though our ways have evolved we're not conserving certain things 1687 01:56:54,120 --> 01:57:00,400 and humanity is reaching a very interesting point in my opinion where we are progressing 1688 01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:10,560 greatly but now we have reached the point where our progression is going too fast. 1689 01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:19,880 I mean we're about to hit virtual reality and we're about to hit AI technology to an 1690 01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:27,040 extraordinary level and we just need to make sure when we go to these new levels they're 1691 01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:30,720 conserving certain principles on what it means to be human. 1692 01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:38,800 And I've had this, this is probably a podcast episode for another day, is we should have 1693 01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:43,460 standards on what it means to be normal and I truly believe that. 1694 01:57:43,460 --> 01:57:48,520 We should have standards on what it means to be normal and I'm not going back, no worries, 1695 01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:58,080 I'm not going to a far reaching point where I'm saying, hey if you are a black American 1696 01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:06,400 male who is over the 5 feet 7 and who's not 250 you are not normal. 1697 01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:08,120 If you're not that you're not normal. 1698 01:58:08,120 --> 01:58:09,520 I'm not saying that. 1699 01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:15,360 But there are certain standards that we should set into place that we know that these values 1700 01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:20,520 and these foundations will lead to something more important than anything else in human 1701 01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:26,160 history and what that is is more humans. 1702 01:58:26,160 --> 01:58:32,540 Humans forefront nature should be continuing the human species. 1703 01:58:32,540 --> 01:58:38,440 If we are setting precedent, if we're numalizing actions that are not conducive to that main 1704 01:58:38,440 --> 01:58:43,280 purpose unless we want us to die as a race because I know people hate other humans, they 1705 01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:45,800 like dogs more than humans sometimes. 1706 01:58:45,800 --> 01:58:53,120 If we are not doing this foundational principle then we're leading to the destruction of the 1707 01:58:53,120 --> 01:58:59,920 human race and right now we need to figure out what is normal. 1708 01:58:59,920 --> 01:59:06,000 We need to figure out what is conducive to a human race and that's how we will continue 1709 01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:13,880 to grow and that's why I say that the status quo of before won't necessarily work based 1710 01:59:13,880 --> 01:59:21,360 on how they were before considering how we are now but I would adhere to adapting them 1711 01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:28,960 to the evolved way of we evolved way we are now because I do think there's legitimate 1712 01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:34,600 arguments and certain principles being returned and we've seen it before. 1713 01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:40,040 We are going very deep into this, sorry to bring this up lefties, we're going deep into 1714 01:59:40,040 --> 01:59:45,460 this kind of trans thing and we see even other countries going hey maybe we should push back 1715 01:59:45,460 --> 01:59:46,460 a little bit. 1716 01:59:46,460 --> 01:59:53,160 That's a good perfect example like we're going, we're kind of going too nuanced on figuring 1717 01:59:53,160 --> 01:59:55,560 out what it means to be male or female. 1718 01:59:55,560 --> 01:59:57,580 We're kind of going a little bit too out there. 1719 01:59:57,580 --> 02:00:03,100 Maybe take a step back, rethink what we're thinking and look into it and try to figure 1720 02:00:03,100 --> 02:00:06,280 out where we're getting it wrong. 1721 02:00:06,280 --> 02:00:09,520 So that's an example of us going too back, returning status quo but we're going to have 1722 02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:13,720 to keep on evolving what it means to be a man woman so we make sure that there's a standard 1723 02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:19,220 that we all will know will at the end of the day, I'm going to say this again, we'll make 1724 02:00:19,220 --> 02:00:21,300 sure that we continue in the human species. 1725 02:00:21,300 --> 02:00:26,720 So if we could do that for welfare because how it is now, it's not efficient. 1726 02:00:26,720 --> 02:00:32,600 If we could do that for abortion and abortion now is very interesting. 1727 02:00:32,600 --> 02:00:37,040 I mean for me considering I have a threshold, I think some states are going too far and 1728 02:00:37,040 --> 02:00:39,880 some states are going to the lax. 1729 02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:45,440 But if we do stuff like that in terms of Planned Parenthood and we keep this in mind in terms 1730 02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:52,840 of the personable humanistic principles that I'm talking about, then we can we can find 1731 02:00:52,840 --> 02:00:54,840 some progress. 1732 02:00:54,840 --> 02:00:57,360 Yeah, I agree. 1733 02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:06,760 I certainly think we should realize when something is abnormal and I think most people do. 1734 02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:12,320 Most people know when something is not normal. 1735 02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:17,760 I think the problem is, is we have created a society that says we're not allowed to call 1736 02:01:17,760 --> 02:01:20,560 out abnormality that we should. 1737 02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:24,800 I don't think most, I don't think most people do. 1738 02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:28,120 I think most people don't know how to define normal. 1739 02:01:28,120 --> 02:01:30,640 I think that's the problem right now. 1740 02:01:30,640 --> 02:01:39,440 Most people think normal is what everybody accepts as status quo or what is normal. 1741 02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:42,300 I would say I can certainly see that as well. 1742 02:01:42,300 --> 02:01:48,880 I would lean more towards this outcome with the advent of political correctness, with 1743 02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:53,120 the advent of kind of victim points. 1744 02:01:53,120 --> 02:01:59,520 People actually know what is normal, but seek to not be normal because normal is antiquated 1745 02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:02,080 and old and bad. 1746 02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:07,240 So I mean, this we see this with like you shouldn't kink shame, whatever that means. 1747 02:02:07,240 --> 02:02:08,400 I don't think that's true at all. 1748 02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:14,720 I think we should certainly shame many more things than we do shame. 1749 02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:20,600 Certainly we should do that because we should have standards of normal and decent behavior. 1750 02:02:20,600 --> 02:02:25,480 But you don't get anything special for being normal anymore. 1751 02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:32,680 In fact, you are advised to try not to be normal, but normal is good. 1752 02:02:32,680 --> 02:02:36,200 Normal is what keeps societies running. 1753 02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:42,200 There's some levels of kind of healthy abnormality because that's how you get innovation when 1754 02:02:42,200 --> 02:02:44,600 you kind of push the status quo. 1755 02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:49,520 But at the same time, if there is no status quo, then there is nothing. 1756 02:02:49,520 --> 02:02:52,200 There is no society in which to have. 1757 02:02:52,200 --> 02:02:53,360 There's nothing. 1758 02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:57,200 There's nothing there because it'll just be riotous. 1759 02:02:57,200 --> 02:03:00,080 We'll get similar to what we're getting right now. 1760 02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:02,560 So we certainly should have standards of normality. 1761 02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:03,560 I completely agree. 1762 02:03:03,560 --> 02:03:06,160 Yeah, we should definitely have standards. 1763 02:03:06,160 --> 02:03:11,280 And I mean, I don't even see it as, you know, like that one SpongeBob episode where SpongeBob 1764 02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:17,320 turned all smooth brain and it was like the super normal boring plain guy. 1765 02:03:17,320 --> 02:03:24,000 Like Johnson said, people think of it as like the boring SpongeBob. 1766 02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:26,240 What rock is this guy living in? 1767 02:03:26,240 --> 02:03:27,320 SpongeBob. 1768 02:03:27,320 --> 02:03:31,280 But people think of the boring guy. 1769 02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:33,520 Like you said, people want to be the innovators. 1770 02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:35,040 People want to be the Bill Gates. 1771 02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:36,700 People want to be the adventurer. 1772 02:03:36,700 --> 02:03:39,220 Those are the people they seem as abnormal. 1773 02:03:39,220 --> 02:03:40,960 Those are the cool individuals. 1774 02:03:40,960 --> 02:03:45,800 And I don't like that definition of normal because I agree that that definition is super 1775 02:03:45,800 --> 02:03:46,800 boring. 1776 02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:52,280 But the only way of normal that I see that I think makes sense is when you apply a sense 1777 02:03:52,280 --> 02:04:01,560 of care or a sense of way of living to society, to the human race. 1778 02:04:01,560 --> 02:04:02,560 And what is the conclusion? 1779 02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:07,440 I'm going to repeat it one more time because I feel like people should not really know 1780 02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:08,440 this, right? 1781 02:04:08,440 --> 02:04:11,760 The purpose of the human race and my personal opinion. 1782 02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:15,380 I mean, if you don't, I mean, regardless of religion, if you believe in religion, it may 1783 02:04:15,380 --> 02:04:16,560 be different. 1784 02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:21,640 But one of the main and probably the most important purpose of the human life is to 1785 02:04:21,640 --> 02:04:23,360 keep the human race going. 1786 02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:24,680 We don't want to die out. 1787 02:04:24,680 --> 02:04:25,680 We want to keep on going. 1788 02:04:25,680 --> 02:04:27,040 We want to keep on going. 1789 02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:28,440 Maybe go to other planets. 1790 02:04:28,440 --> 02:04:29,440 Who cares? 1791 02:04:29,440 --> 02:04:33,600 We got to keep on going as a human race for our ancestors, for our descendants, all that 1792 02:04:33,600 --> 02:04:34,600 good stuff. 1793 02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:37,960 And in order to keep on going, we have to have a set standard of normal to make sure 1794 02:04:37,960 --> 02:04:38,960 we're keeping on going. 1795 02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:39,960 And I'm going to be arguing. 1796 02:04:39,960 --> 02:04:43,100 I'm going to be blunt. 1797 02:04:43,100 --> 02:04:48,680 If our standard of normal is being trans, then the human race won't continue to go. 1798 02:04:48,680 --> 02:04:55,060 If our standard of normal is being a segregating all the people, then the human race won't 1799 02:04:55,060 --> 02:04:57,320 continue to go. 1800 02:04:57,320 --> 02:05:04,320 At the end of the day, we should know that a man or woman create a baby continues to 1801 02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:05,320 human race. 1802 02:05:05,320 --> 02:05:12,280 And we should know that peace and not war is a fundamental thing that we all should 1803 02:05:12,280 --> 02:05:14,120 accept as normal. 1804 02:05:14,120 --> 02:05:17,880 It should be abnormal to want that violence and war and all that stuff. 1805 02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:22,280 If you want to add other principles, we'd have to debate on the other stuff. 1806 02:05:22,280 --> 02:05:28,200 But I think those two things in terms of, you know, reproduction and wanting peace are 1807 02:05:28,200 --> 02:05:36,920 probably the most objective principles that every single person should agree to. 1808 02:05:36,920 --> 02:05:41,720 Because without those two things, we will not continue as a human species and we will 1809 02:05:41,720 --> 02:05:47,960 die out and just be another memory of the universe's long, long billion year history. 1810 02:05:47,960 --> 02:05:49,080 Know what I'm saying? 1811 02:05:49,080 --> 02:05:59,760 So I think the other stuff, I think you can be a unique individual and shaming. 1812 02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:01,760 I definitely think we should shame certain things. 1813 02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:05,840 We should shame and ostracize and condemn pedophiles, for example. 1814 02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:09,440 But like other things, and I brought up the trans, I'm going to be positive trans people 1815 02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:10,600 right now. 1816 02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:15,920 I don't care if you're trans, just understand that in terms of my definition, you're not 1817 02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:17,320 normal. 1818 02:06:17,320 --> 02:06:19,480 That's how I see it. 1819 02:06:19,480 --> 02:06:27,500 And if we are very similar to my abortion stuff, if we set a precedent that we all understand, 1820 02:06:27,500 --> 02:06:32,000 then we can kind of live in accordance to that precedent. 1821 02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:36,360 And society can kind of continue without people's rights being infringed. 1822 02:06:36,360 --> 02:06:39,360 So that's how I personally believe we should do things. 1823 02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:42,200 But yeah, that's how I view normal. 1824 02:06:42,200 --> 02:06:46,440 Now I'm ready to be canceled, but I'm not going to give up my stomachache. 1825 02:06:46,440 --> 02:06:47,440 That's fine. 1826 02:06:47,440 --> 02:06:48,440 It's all good. 1827 02:06:48,440 --> 02:06:52,240 You know, I'm going to clip this. 1828 02:06:52,240 --> 02:06:54,080 I'm going to get so canceled. 1829 02:06:54,080 --> 02:06:56,080 Oh, I can't wait. 1830 02:06:56,080 --> 02:07:00,720 You should just if you really want to get canceled, you should clip my section right 1831 02:07:00,720 --> 02:07:03,840 there when I said people should be shamed for their kinks. 1832 02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:10,160 Oh, I think the more cancelable moment that you said was the fact that 13 year old should 1833 02:07:10,160 --> 02:07:11,160 not have an abortion. 1834 02:07:11,160 --> 02:07:12,160 Oh, yes. 1835 02:07:12,160 --> 02:07:14,000 Yeah, that'll get you kicked. 1836 02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:15,000 That'll get you canceled. 1837 02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:16,840 It'll get me canceled, too. 1838 02:07:16,840 --> 02:07:19,520 They'll find all my shows then. 1839 02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:21,800 A lot of cancelable material out here. 1840 02:07:21,800 --> 02:07:25,000 Well, we got to give you so much more cancelable material. 1841 02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:29,800 I mean, I have plenty of cancelable material, but you know, those are discussions for another 1842 02:07:29,800 --> 02:07:30,800 day. 1843 02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:33,600 I think we kind of go went over all the important talking points. 1844 02:07:33,600 --> 02:07:37,040 Like I said, I don't want to go over the body autonomy because I think that's a terrible 1845 02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:38,040 argument. 1846 02:07:38,040 --> 02:07:42,360 I mean, I've never been especially when you just mentioned all the trans stuff. 1847 02:07:42,360 --> 02:07:47,200 Like, I no longer find the argument that like if you're not a man, you don't have a say. 1848 02:07:47,200 --> 02:07:49,400 It's like, well, you told me that I can be a woman. 1849 02:07:49,400 --> 02:07:50,400 Right. 1850 02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:54,800 So then for the sake of this argument, whenever I am speaking about abortion, I identify as 1851 02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:58,360 a woman and therefore I'm allowed to have an opinion about it now. 1852 02:07:58,360 --> 02:08:00,080 So there you go. 1853 02:08:00,080 --> 02:08:07,000 Yeah, it's it's so like the anytime someone brings up my body, my choice, I see so many 1854 02:08:07,000 --> 02:08:14,480 tick tocks of them getting schooled if someone asks a counter question like, OK, you know, 1855 02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:17,120 they said something about you being a woman or say, are you a Jew? 1856 02:08:17,120 --> 02:08:18,120 Do you care about the Holocaust? 1857 02:08:18,120 --> 02:08:23,440 And the woman just shows up and like, well, it's like, you know, for me, oh, for me as 1858 02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:28,440 a gun owner, it's like you don't get to talk about gun policy if you don't own a gun. 1859 02:08:28,440 --> 02:08:30,200 Like, what about that? 1860 02:08:30,200 --> 02:08:33,280 It's like, that's a ridiculous argument. 1861 02:08:33,280 --> 02:08:36,240 There's so much wrong with that argument. 1862 02:08:36,240 --> 02:08:38,600 It doesn't make any sense. 1863 02:08:38,600 --> 02:08:41,200 Nobody has ever argued my body, my choice. 1864 02:08:41,200 --> 02:08:42,200 That's so dumb. 1865 02:08:42,200 --> 02:08:47,880 I think do think there's some legitimacy, especially back then in history, where men 1866 02:08:47,880 --> 02:08:50,340 thought they can control a woman's body. 1867 02:08:50,340 --> 02:08:54,680 But in this modern Western society, men, for the most part, don't think like that unless 1868 02:08:54,680 --> 02:08:56,680 you're like some red pill weirdo. 1869 02:08:56,680 --> 02:08:59,560 So I can't really do anything about those people. 1870 02:08:59,560 --> 02:09:00,560 You know what I'm saying? 1871 02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:03,760 So with that said, that is all we got for today's episode. 1872 02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:05,800 We will be back, of course. 1873 02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:12,080 And I think this was a very interesting discussion per usual in regards to the abortion topic. 1874 02:09:12,080 --> 02:09:17,720 Next topic, like I've said already, will be regarding media companies role in politics. 1875 02:09:17,720 --> 02:09:21,100 And we're going to have a very interesting guest for that conversation. 1876 02:09:21,100 --> 02:09:22,840 So hope everybody enjoyed. 1877 02:09:22,840 --> 02:09:25,120 Of course, you all have a good one. 1878 02:09:25,120 --> 02:09:34,020 Rate if five stars if you enjoyed leave a message, leave an email at the website www.purplepoliticalbreakdown.com. 1879 02:09:34,020 --> 02:09:56,640 Take care and peace.